Kielwood Shaft Search
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That looks like a beauty as well.
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Very nice. Very classic.
Thank you.
There is actually a purple inlay in those points.
Different. 5 point cue.
Going with 4 points in the box cue being built. Wanted 5 points again because 5 points is a little different but the boxes in the butt would be too small with a 5 pointer.
because of what you’re asking for
i know and i don’t need to ‘put’ anyone ‘on ignore’ in order to ignore them
like you i love kielwood shafts and i hope yours will arrive eventually
billiards_watch
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Perhaps all those fancy cues the OP has was intended to be shot by the original shafts by the cue maker. If he is being so demanding over weight and balance then one can argue those cues were made with its original shaft and balance for a purpose. What Tim Scruggs deemed as a great hit and feel will be tossed out the window with a KW shaft.
Putting those KW shafts on something doesn't make it instantaneously better. Unless the cue maker, himself, intended it to be hit and be played with a KW shaft.
I have a friend who wants to put a carbon shaft on his 7k cue, loaded with natural and silver. LOL Its his choice at the end of the day but I just find it defeating the purpose. You can just buy any butt and throw a carbon on them and if you can't? Then the cue maker didn't design the cue for that purpose.
If someone let me shoot with their Black Boar then I hope they put the BB shaft on and not a Chinese or Revo shaft. LOL
Then again, I think its blasphemy to put an aftermarket shaft on a custom cue.
Putting those KW shafts on something doesn't make it instantaneously better. Unless the cue maker, himself, intended it to be hit and be played with a KW shaft.
I have a friend who wants to put a carbon shaft on his 7k cue, loaded with natural and silver. LOL Its his choice at the end of the day but I just find it defeating the purpose. You can just buy any butt and throw a carbon on them and if you can't? Then the cue maker didn't design the cue for that purpose.
If someone let me shoot with their Black Boar then I hope they put the BB shaft on and not a Chinese or Revo shaft. LOL
Then again, I think its blasphemy to put an aftermarket shaft on a custom cue.
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Me too….got my fingers crossed but several cue makers have been revealed to be able to do this based on several PM messages from different members that I’ve gotten. And if you think about it, the flip side alternative I brought up, “slow
and expensive” has nothing to do with what I’m asking be built. That’s Hsu’s std lead time stated on the website & order form. But to be fair, I never even contacted him so he might have been able to build exactly what I wanted. The cue makers that were referred to me to contact are not names I’d have come up with and it’s great to have choices where before none.
-the customer is always right
-nobody has found the holy grail yet
-skill at this game is all in the mind
(we can talk for hours about humidity and
cloth and pocket sizes and special cues
-aiming techniques and vision centers and
bouncy rails and drills and coaching)
this is what i am talking about he is known for being extremely accommodating and exact
my shaft is 31” how great is that
I really have no idea. You might be 6’ or taller so it may be well suited. I’m not sure if my KW will be 30” or 29.5”.
Jacoby is making that call. Before I got my Barnhart version (29.5”), I’d never played any shaft except 29” length.
I am a novice at KW shafts or longer shafts for that matter. I’ve strictly played 29” maple shafts with 1” ivory, or resin,
ferrules all my life until getting my 1st KW shaft. Cues are a entirely different matter but KW shafts are still new to me.
The keilwood shafts I got from a maker near me uses small screws in the shaft to increase the weight.
Flakeandrun
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Many of the Chinese and Japanese made KW shafts also have some kind of variable screw-in weight system
So did you ever end up getting what you wanted? Did Jacoby come through for you? It's been 5 months now and your Hsunami order probably would have been filled by now. Amazing how time flies. @Bavafongoul
I did…….. Jacoby took awhile to make the shafts and unfortunately there was a miscommunication on their part. I was notified about 4-5 weeks ago the shafts were done and were only 3.6 ozs. Obviously, that was an enormous miss and I notified Jacoby Cues I was not interested and would find another cue maker to attempt this and they understood why.
So my search started over and I selected Jim Pierce to build my Kielwood shafts. Right after hiring Jim, SCDiver2112 notified me he had built exactly what I wanted and more than once. Had I not already selected Jim, I’d probably have had him build my shafts. The photos of his workmanship looked excellent. Ironically, after Jim started building my shafts, Jacoby contacted me and said they actually had built two 4 oz. flat faced wood KW shafts and did not have to add any weight, The person originally notifying me the shafts were 3.6 ozs confused my order with a different one.
I did not want 4 KW shafts so I stuck with Jim Pierce who built the shafts in 3 weeks, not 20-22 weeks. Jacoby, even with the size of their operation, built the shafts in under 3 months and that included being in Las Vegas for 2 weeks exhibiting. Jim has built and sold over 300 KW shafts and I can attest why. The shafts he made are handsome, exactly built to my specs, straight as a tautly pulled string, and play wonderful. I could not be more pleased with the price, workmanship and especially, turnaround time building my Kielwood shafts. And I found Jim to be accessible, friendly, more than competent and also a excellent cue maker having seen and personally tried his pool cues that a few of my friends own. Richard Hsu makes a beautiful looking KW shaft but his build time and pricing seem totally absurd to me.
Indeed, I spent a lot of time trying to get my KW shafts built and learned a lot of cue makers were dead wrong telling me that a uncored KW shaft under 13mm and 29” length weighing a min of 4 ozs. couldn’t be built without adding weight to the finished shaft because torrefication would make the shaft too light. That never made any sense to me when I have seen maple shafts over 4.5 ozs. from different cue makers over the years. All it takes is the right wood. I firmly believed this despite the skepticism from so many others but they were dead wrong and I was absolutely right.
I have six (6) cues in my cases with 3 different big pins (radial, 3/8x10 and 3/8/11). I now have 3 Kielwood shafts that will fit on my cues so I am delighted. I admit to be stubborn minded and relentless at times but persistence paid off. My ego feels better because it feels great to be right whereas others were so wrong. My wallet feels better because I saved many hundreds of dollars. Lastly, the shafts play every bit as great as I anticipated uncored KW shafts would.
Tsunami KW shafts are among the prettiest I’ve ever seen until SCDiver2112 built a curly maple KW shaft that was dazzling. Looks are not nearly as important as compatibility and he can build what I want. It just so happens I met Jim Pierce first and he just knocked it out of the park building my two KW shafts. Plus, Jim’s turnaround time was fast, workmanship was impeccable and pricing is very competitive. Nope, I’m thrilled and also saved a lot of money vs. ordering Hsu’s KW shafts.
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BTW, the original maple shafts I replaced are the very same physical specs as the 3 Kielwood shafts I had made.
If it is blasphemy to put an aftermarket shaft on a custom cue, there are tens of thousands of cues using CF shafts.
Gosh, there are a lot of sinners that feel differently. Isn’t it the same if you had you cue maker build you an extra
shaft years after having your cue built. BTW, the persons that built my KW shafts are very noteworthy cue makers.
If you used a Searing shaft on a Hercek cue, would that be blasphemy? Me thinks you are a bit narrow minded on
this very point but I respect someone expressing contrary opinions when I can understand their underlying reasons.
In this particular instance, I believe you are mistaken. If you replace exactly what you had before with something you
now have that is the same except for ivory ferrules, the difference should be very slight. I did it and proved this is true.
My KW shafts built by Cory Barnhart and Jim Pierce play fantastic but that’s because the shaft specs haven’t changed.
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That is what a lot of cue makers told me had to be done because torrefication renders the cue lighter. My response was why not just start with a heavier blank? The math validates that it should not be difficult and apparently I was right. Adding weight is necessary when the blank selected is lighter than what’s really required to avoid having to do this. It does not mean the shaft still wouldn’t play fine. It just happens that I want my cues built a specific way. I’m just too old & stubborn to change.
Wow! What a journey that ended up being. Congratulations on the Happy Ending! Very cool that it all worked out!!
I was lucky enough to find a 29” Hsunami 2.0 shaft in mint condition on the 2nd hand market last week for about 50% off the retail price with no waiting. The purchase is what lead me to find your very informative thread. Coincidentally enough, it weighs exactly 4.0oz. So he is another option for AZ members who are also looking for a heavier Kielwood shaft.
Thanks for documenting your entire journey! I might have to try a Jim Pierce shaft down the road. Sounds like a great shaft and a pleasure to work with.
R
Good things come to those who wait.
Unless you're me, of course.
Mr. No Patience.
Richard is running further behind than that. When was the last time you tt him??
Good things come to those who wait.
Unless you're me, of course.
Mr. No Patience.
R
Richard is running further behind than that. When was the last time you tt him??
Good things come to those who wait.
Unless you're me, of course.
Mr. No Patience.
I didn’t buy mine directly from Richard. I was lucky enough to find one on the second hand market in mint condition. The color pairs perfectly with my Cynergy X Amber cue!
