Ko's final shot on the three ball? the masse jump?

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smashmouth

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I think we've all seen it but for those who have not, at the 2:04:05 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxEv-fhVDgM


so he plays the shot in a manner in which I believe nobody would.......why?

Would you play his shot in that same fashion when you had both a basic draw and follow option? (with safety options imo on the four ball if your shape on the four ball is not quite there

Major props to him and congrats on that decision and the victory btw, THAT is how you CLOSE
 
smashmouth said:
I think we've all seen it but for those who have not, at the 2:04:05 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxEv-fhVDgM


so he plays the shot in a manner in which I believe nobody would.......why?

Would you play his shot in that same fashion when you had both a basic draw and follow option? (with safety options imo on the four ball if your shape on the four ball is not quite there

Major props to him and congrats on that decision and the victory btw, THAT is how you CLOSE
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I've always called it a "twister". It's really more of a masse than anything, but the masse comes after it contacts the object ball.

His natural angle had the cue ball going to the right, and he needed it to go left. Sure, he could have just drawn back on the natural line and taken a tougher shot on the 4, but obviously he felt confident in this shot.

I have shot them in competition, but not very often. It's a really high risk shot for me. Probably not so much for him.


Royce
 
HelloBaby- said:
Finally someone brought up this shot. Most people don't even realize how tough it was, and the guy had the balls to shoot it in the most crucial moment of the world champion final. Hat off to him.

Here is the shot : https://youtu.be/TxEv-fhVDgM?t=2h4m14s
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That shot wasn't that tough.
Was actually waaay on the easy side of these types of shots.

Much more difficulty ones are where you are literally doing an overhead masse trick shot to cut the ball in, and have it zip back sideways because of the spin.
 
I was not expecting that at all and as it was happening didn't really understand how he got the cue ball to come left off the 3. What a cool shot. His draw from the 5 to the 6 was pretty impressive too.
 
the difficulty level was not high agreed,

it was the choice to jack up and try it when you had other options at that stage of the match
 
SUPERSTAR said:
That shot wasn't that tough.
Was actually waaay on the easy side of these types of shots.

Much more difficulty ones are where you are literally doing an overhead masse trick shot to cut the ball in, and have it zip back sideways because of the spin.
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I agree totally, really a VERY easy shot for someone of his ability!
 
SUPERSTAR said:
That shot wasn't that tough.
Was actually waaay on the easy side of these types of shots.

Much more difficulty ones are where you are literally doing an overhead masse trick shot to cut the ball in, and have it zip back sideways because of the spin.
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Uhh, yeah, but this was the last game of the World 9-ball Championships and not some trick show.

Maybe next year someone will take a coke bottle and shoot the tournament winning 9-ball for the title off of the bottle with a jump shot...
 
Nifty shot. Comes in handy but requires some skill and practice. Aiming those buggers can be tricky.

Daz was in the chat at the time, and he was quite taken with not only the shot, but with the decision to shoot it right there in the finals.

I must agree. It's a fun shot, but I don't know if I'd have the intestinal fortitude to shoot it with so much on the line.

Great shot!

-Blake
 
wat?

I am quite familiar with this shot. To be fair, he is an elite player, knows his abilities, and he did with the world title. Also, he shot this in a relatively safe way, he didn't go all out to actually stun the cueball several feet to the left or anything, it was more a matter of inches.

But I don't like the shot selection. While he was high percentage, was it any more high percentage than him shooting the 4 ball from 6 inches further away? I mean, every once in a while that shot could get away from him, he might accidentally draw into the side pocket, or stop dead, or just miscalculate because you're adding a few variables. Drawing back a few inches and shooting the 4 seems pretty standard. I don't think this was a prudent shot to take on at that moment.

That said, it wasn't reckless or crazy, and again, he played it conservatively and well. I'm not saying it was a 'give up shot' or anything. Just questionable. Bottom line though he pulled it off no problem and got the cheese. So not a big deal. Just not what I'd recommend unless the four ball looked tougher than the masse for some reason (which can happen).
 
Celtic said:
Uhh, yeah, but this was the last game of the World 9-ball Championships and not some trick show.

Maybe next year someone will take a coke bottle and shoot the tournament winning 9-ball for the title off of the bottle with a jump shot...
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LOL ,, we already had seen much easier missed ,, like that simple bank Shane missed ,, the closer to the wire you get the smaller the pocket is ,, under the circumstances it was a great shot ,, had Shane hit that Shot it would have been posted in high definition and labeled one of the greatest shots in finals history


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one stroke said:
had Shane hit that Shot it would have been posted in high definition and labeled one of the greatest shots in finals history
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Oh pfff. Ko shot it, and it was posted in HD, and we're talking about it now. It was a nice shot, no matter who shot it. Nothing extraordinary but still a nice shot.

And yes, I was rooting for Shane. ;)

-Blake
 
Celtic said:
Uhh, yeah, but this was the last game of the World 9-ball Championships and not some trick show.

Maybe next year someone will take a coke bottle and shoot the tournament winning 9-ball for the title off of the bottle with a jump shot...
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Um, YEAH.
Anyone who has ever been exposed to this type of shot (because admittedly not everyone has ever seen it) who has practiced it and understands the dynamics of it, knows it wasn't really THAT hard, on the scale of difficulty.
If you don't fit into that group of people who know the shot who understand why he opted for it at that moment, that's not my problem.

For those that have never seen this type of shot, sure, you can be mystified by it.
And yes, it's a little ballsy for him to do it, but that's why he is the world champion and we are on this forum debating it.
He saw a chance to use the shot, and it worked out for him.
But for anyone who knows it, it would seem like the most straightforward option, vs having to go all around the table without crashing into anything and getting shape.
That's why it exists. It is a problem solving option that eliminates complicated position possibilities, and gets right to the point.
 
Celtic said:
Uhh, yeah, but this was the last game of the World 9-ball Championships and not some trick show.

Maybe next year someone will take a coke bottle and shoot the tournament winning 9-ball for the title off of the bottle with a jump shot...
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Exactly right. That shot would be quite for an elite player in early racks but not in last rack

I mean this shot https://youtu.be/SnbxTR_8Xw4?t=6778
would have been quite easy in practice or in group stage or early racks of semi final but this is at 8-8 in semifinal and if he lose rack , Wu breaks to get to hill and he would be behind 8-10. That was nuts :D


Tin Man said:
I am quite familiar with this shot. To be fair, he is an elite player, knows his abilities, and he did with the world title. Also, he shot this in a relatively safe way, he didn't go all out to actually stun the cueball several feet to the left or anything, it was more a matter of inches.

But I don't like the shot selection. While he was high percentage, was it any more high percentage than him shooting the 4 ball from 6 inches further away? I mean, every once in a while that shot could get away from him, he might accidentally draw into the side pocket, or stop dead, or just miscalculate because you're adding a few variables. Drawing back a few inches and shooting the 4 seems pretty standard. I don't think this was a prudent shot to take on at that moment.

That said, it wasn't reckless or crazy, and again, he played it conservatively and well. I'm not saying it was a 'give up shot' or anything. Just questionable. Bottom line though he pulled it off no problem and got the cheese. So not a big deal. Just not what I'd recommend unless the four ball looked tougher than the masse for some reason (which can happen).
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That is why how he feels is key. Remember in 2nd rack, Shane broke and push out to long shot on 2 with CB close to rail for Ko and Ko declined.
His state of mind is probably that he is feels that shot on the 2 he executed has higher % than a longer shot on the 4
:D
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Um, YEAH.
Anyone who has ever been exposed to this type of shot (because admittedly not everyone has ever seen it) who has practiced it and understands the dynamics of it, knows it wasn't really THAT hard, on the scale of difficulty.
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That is all beside the point. Almost no professional in that entire event would have shot that shot at 12-11 in the finals of the world 9-ball championships, they would have cinched it and drawn back and taken the tougher 4-ball. It WAS a very impressive shot to shoot under those circumstances.

But you know best Superstar, next year when you are on the hill in the finals of the World 9-Ball Championships I am sure you will show us something really special...
 
Not that hard if you're just playing around, but given the situation, you either have to crazy or insanely confident to shoot that. Pros get slightly out of line all the time, but they almost never choose that shot unless it's absolutely necessary, which it wasn't in this case. That's what makes it so special.

If it's as easy as some of you guys are saying, we'd see it a lot more often.
 
Tin Man said:
...he didn't go all out to actually stun the cueball several feet to the left or anything, it was more a matter of inches.
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Which is why he shouldn't have shot it - a significant risk for an insignificant positional improvement.

...was it any more high percentage than him shooting the 4 ball from 6 inches further away?
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That's the right question.

I don't think it was a very bad decision, just not the best.

pj
chgo
 
Celtic said:
That is all beside the point. Almost no professional in that entire event would have shot that shot at 12-11 in the finals of the world 9-ball championships, they would have cinched it and drawn back and taken the tougher 4-ball. It WAS a very impressive shot to shoot under those circumstances.

But you know best Superstar, next year when you are on the hill in the finals of the World 9-Ball Championships I am sure you will show us something really special...
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Well, he used it. Maybe that's what separates him from the rest and why he won.
And how do you know what professionals would or wouldn't have done?
ARE YOU PSYCHIC? :eek:
I mean, you must be if you know what every player is going to do on a given shot. You should apply for a pool commentating job with a skill set like that. It would come in real handy.

Oh, that's right. Never mind. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to what other people would or wouldn't do. :rolleyes:

Guaranteed, anyone who didn't know the shot, will most certainly be practicing it.
 
Slightly off topic, in that same rack, Ko drew back to shoot the 7 in the corner. Was he playing for the side instead, and drew too far? I'm not a good player, and I was thinking he was going for the side before he pulled the trigger. He also had a bit of a surprised look on his face when the CB finally stopped (imo). Thoughts?
 
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