KT declares was on the WPA

JAM said:
Well, yes, as a matter of fact, I do. Looks to me like money doesn't mean too much to you anyway, the way you're throwing it around in that avatar picture of yours. :o

JAM
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That's good Jam.

He probably has his company credit card maxed out there.

Wilson still won't let me give you a rep.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
What? It is not about the money? Who are you kidding? Why do you think the players go play in the US Open? Because it pays the most at that time. All the players follow the tours that pay the most.

The only ones who play for the love of it are the ones who always finish in the bottom third. Or have a well paying job and they play pool as a hobby.

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And the European Championships and Mosconi Cup? I think youre wrong on many counts. I also think Alex comments prove this. Yes the money is important but its not EVERYTHING! I simply dont agree that all the IPT players don't give a damn about the WPC and US Open because they might win a stack of cash on the IPT. well I know its not true, many of them would prefer to play on both.
 
jjinfla said:
That's good Jam.

He probably has his company credit card maxed out there.

Wilson still won't let me give you a rep.

Jake
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I refer you to my answer to this post, Well done wilson :D
 
TheOne said:
... However, what do you think about the current situation? Was it an honest mistake, was it deliberate? Is KT telling lies about trying to "work with other promoters", is he trying to take control of pool? If he is and does take control, is it bad? Will other tours survive without the stars, will pool prosper anyway? What will the IPTers think about not being able to play in the WPC's, US 9 Ball etc, do they all only care about money, do any of them have any other ambitions for glory?
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I guess we will all have to wait and hear the IPT side of the situation.

I venture to speculate that it should prove interesting.

My thinking is that he surveyed the IPT players on board and got their opinion. My answer would be that they would be behind him 100%.

Full speed ahead - damn the torpedos.

LOL

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
My thinking is that he surveyed the IPT players on board and got their opinion. My answer would be that they would be behind him 100%.
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Lets ask them now, Bernie, Kieth, Colin, did KT ask you if you minded missing the 9 Ball WPC, 9 Ball WPC, US Open, Moscni Cup, etc. According to jake he asked you all and you didn't mind, can you confirm this please?

I may be wrong but Im pretty sure the IPT press release said he would be "working with the promotors to make sure dates didn't clash" oh and he "encouraged players to play on other tours". Why then Jake do we have two promotors saying the opposite, one must not be telling the truth and each press release contradicts the other? Who's fibbing Jake? :D
 
The One,

Money is not important only if you have it.

If all you have is bills and no future then it becomes very important.

Money is not important to me because I am flush. Steady income, no debts, and no outrageous wants or desires. Not rich, but comfortable. That's what being an L 7 all my life got me.

But if all of a sudden I became destitute and desperate I would head for the nearest bank and rob them. Ha Ha. A desperate act by a desperate man. If successful I would be flush again. If not, well a Federal Pen is better than the Army.

Just ask Martha and any of the hundreds of Politicians that are, or were, residents there. They all were in love of more money, even though they all had a lot.

Jake
 
The One,

With KT's money he would use a sureptitious survey and the players would not even know they were being surveyed. Surely one would have to assume that any IPT player who posts here is unanimously behind KT. That should be a given. There should be no need for them to publicly take sides. They have to play politics.

You do realize that two people can take lie detector tests on the same subject where one is diametrically opposed to the other and they can both pass the test. They are both telling the truth. How can that be?

Like I said. Wait and see.

Maybe you are right. KT will just come out and say he got fed up with the WPA trying to strongarm him and he just said the hell with it this is the way we are going. That letter he received, or that was sent by the WPA or APPBA, sure did not look they wanted to work with anyone. All that looked like is a roadblock.

Geese, how much patience to you expect KT to have?

Let's look at it another way. The other tours put up obstactles in front of the IPT and KT is finding ways to go around, over or through them. Just like he stated he would do on his first CD.

If he succeeds then will the players be better off or not?

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
The One,

Money is not important only if you have it.

If all you have is bills and no future then it becomes very important.

Money is not important to me because I am flush. Steady income, no debts, and no outrageous wants or desires. Not rich, but comfortable. That's what being an L 7 all my life got me.

But if all of a sudden I became destitute and desperate I would head for the nearest bank and rob them. Ha Ha. A desperate act by a desperate man. If successful I would be flush again. If not, well a Federal Pen is better than the Army.

Just ask Martha and any of the hundreds of Politicians that are, or were, residents there. They all were in love of more money, even though they all had a lot.

Jake
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I don't think I said it wasn't important, Im saying that to many players its not EVERYTHING! JAM's answer to pretty much any question regarding IPT for example is Efren won 350k, thats great but this simply backs up what blackjack is saying that its all about "me", that seems to be the attitude of the IPTers at present, not all though I hope. :(

I know for a fact that fortunately not all players feel this way and more than a few have ambition to win prestigous tourneys such as the WPC and US Open, yes they want to have money but they have ambition too. There is no need for KT to destroy all the other comps around the world, this is NOT in the pool players interests, and I hope he comes out and changes his mind pretty soon!
 
jjinfla said:
The One,

With KT's money he would use a sureptitious survey and the players would not even know they were being surveyed. Surely one would have to assume that any IPT player who posts here is unanimously behind KT. That should be a given. There should be no need for them to publicly take sides. They have to play politics.

You do realize that two people can take lie detector tests on the same subject where one is diametrically opposed to the other and they can both pass the test. They are both telling the truth. How can that be?

Like I said. Wait and see.

Maybe you are right. KT will just come out and say he got fed up with the WPA trying to strongarm him and he just said the hell with it this is the way we are going. That letter he received, or that was sent by the WPA or APPBA, sure did not look they wanted to work with anyone. All that looked like is a roadblock.

Geese, how much patience to you expect KT to have?

Let's look at it another way. The other tours put up obstactles in front of the IPT and KT is finding ways to go around, over or through them. Just like he stated he would do on his first CD.

If he succeeds then will the players be better off or not?

Jake
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If he had come out and said that he would have had more respect, fact is he lied and tried to spin it as best he could. He hasnt done anything to avoid conflicts and of course this doesnt make ANY player better off!

Nice fudge on the IPTers btw, gotta hate those tricky questions dont you! I know of a few IPTers that are not happy that he's making conflicts but yes they are too scard to say it, isnt that good fofr pool! :rolleyes:
 
I know from my growing up the sport is a tough sell to the under 21 demographic. All those wanna-be bullies at the pool hall thinking they are tough were somewhat intimidating. It seems like the pool ranks are being divided between international players and well known players and then the local/regional players.

The name alone IPT does seem to hint at a larger group. While the BCA, TAP, viking, McDermott, Tri-State are geared towards attracting new players, so why do they have to be at war. Can't there just be different leagues for different players.

I do understand that having the celebrity pool players can increase sales and attendance. It just means its time for new celebrity players to be drawn out. Kinda of like wrestling there are the guys who do mainevents and then the guys who do the weekly specials. The only thing is no audience its just a free for all of people trying to get those wins.

I did manage to watch the pro-am with the female players and the bipedally challenged pool players. I wish good publicity sold as hot as bad publicity because then pool service to the community would already be at the top of the list.
 
TheOne said:
Nice fudge on the IPTers btw, gotta hate those tricky questions dont you! I know of a few IPTers that are not happy that he's making conflicts but yes they are too scard to say it, isnt that good fofr pool! :rolleyes:
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Without a doubt the players are torn. I am sure they would love to play for the glory and prestige and trophy involved in being the best.

Oh wait. That was the ideal of the Olympics. And now it is just the biggest, baddest and the best competing for whatever monetary rewards winning gold will bring them.

The last true Olympic battle for pure glory was the American hockey team.

But as you say, pool players are scared. But of what? Of being kicked off the IPT? I doubt that is going to happen. They want to be loyal to the other tours, but how can they when they see that their real future lies with the IPT. But still, they would be fools to burn their bridges behind them so they stay on friendly terms with everyone who can benefit them.

They are scared that the IPT will fail them. Why? Because that is the history of pool. Everyone else has failed them. Why should they believe the IPT will be any different? Ah, but hope spings eternal. So all we can do is hope that things will be different, and better with the IPT.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Without a doubt the players are torn. I am sure they would love to play for the glory and prestige and trophy involved in being the best.

Oh wait. That was the ideal of the Olympics. And now it is just the biggest, baddest and the best competing for whatever monetary rewards winning gold will bring them.

The last true Olympic battle for pure glory was the American hockey team.

But as you say, pool players are scared. But of what? Of being kicked off the IPT? I doubt that is going to happen. They want to be loyal to the other tours, but how can they when they see that their real future lies with the IPT. But still, they would be fools to burn their bridges behind them so they stay on friendly terms with everyone who can benefit them.

They are scared that the IPT will fail them. Why? Because that is the history of pool. Everyone else has failed them. Why should they believe the IPT will be any different? Ah, but hope spings eternal. So all we can do is hope that things will be different, and better with the IPT.

Jake
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Hey Jake that was a pretty sensible post - there's hope for you yet! :D
 
Does the IPT's schedule conflict with the UPA or WPBA's schedule? What about Viking, Pechauer, BCA, DCC, etc.? There are other tours and tournaments that I am sure they tried to work around besides European and Asian tours.

If the IPT folds in a few years, like someone else stated - there will be companies scrambling to start tours and tournaments again. The IPT will have raised the bar, so prize money should be better than what it is currently. TV will have raised awareness and promoters will be met with more open minds and pool will be much easier to promote than in the current environment.
 
Thoghts ...

I always thought the rank and file of tournaments went according to which one was the bigger event and paid the most got scheduling priority over the lessor tournaments, or the lessor tournaments just realized they could not compete on the same days, and rescheduled on their own.

You know what rolls downhill .... well, there is some truth to that ....lol

I think a few adjustments will be made, perhaps on both ends, so existing tournaements can co-exist on the schedule. But, as I stated before,
there is a new Sheriff in town.
 
rackmsuckr said:
Does the IPT's schedule conflict with the UPA or WPBA's schedule? What about Viking, Pechauer, BCA, DCC, etc.? There are other tours and tournaments that I am sure they tried to work around besides European and Asian tours.

If the IPT folds in a few years, like someone else stated - there will be companies scrambling to start tours and tournaments again. The IPT will have raised the bar, so prize money should be better than what it is currently. TV will have raised awareness and promoters will be met with more open minds and pool will be much easier to promote than in the current environment.
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No, the IPT is screwing with the US Open and the WPA. Apparently, all those other tours are "small potatos" to what the IPT's trying to take over for now.

But who's going to step up to the plate with the kind of money the IPT is throwing out when/if they go under in a couple of years. The damage will have been done to these events and the promoters.

Barbara
 
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This just in...

Billiards Digest has a brief snippet of the IPT's "long-awaited" schedule announcement. The article ends with a quote from Deno Andrews relating to the clashes of dates.

I also noticed that the Billiards Digest website link is no longer on the IPT website, and neither are the other pool magazines. SI is there, though.

JAM
 
Yes there is a snippet JAM. but please go read it again. it states nothing more than the original did. that they tried to work around the other tournaments dates. And we all know that that is not the truth
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I talked with the people at q-masters and was told that Barry only got a call a couple of hours before the press release. is that what you call trying to work with other promoters. Working with other promoters is just that.."working". not just giving them a courtesy call a couple of hours before a press release. What the heck can a promoter do in a couple of hours.

Another thing is this. I have been reading this thread and all the others related to this and i have only 1 question. Does anybody on this board really expect the chosen players that post on here to say anything negative in regards to what has happened. And if people on here don't think big brother is watching and waiting for a chosen player to say something wrong or out of line think again. I am willing to bet that someone from the IPT is watching this board to get a general consenus of what the people think. oops, better start a new paragraph.

but personally i don't care anymore as i don't plan on spending any more time on this subject and in all likely hood this board. So everybody, i said my last on this subject...............................mike
 
cueball1950 said:
Yes there is a snippet JAM. but please go read it again. it states nothing more than the original did. that they tried to work around the other tournaments dates. And we all know that that is not the truth
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I had not seen the quote from Deno Andrews in other press release relating to the schedule release, but then again, I may have missed it.:p
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cueball1950 said:
I talked with the people at q-masters and was told that Barry only got a call a couple of hours before the press release. is that what you call trying to work with other promoters. Working with other promoters is just that.."working". not just giving them a courtesy call a couple of hours before a press release. What the heck can a promoter do in a couple of hours.
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I like the Behrmans and feel just as bad about this as you do. Some of my fondest memories are from the U.S. Open.

cueball1950 said:
Another thing is this. I have been reading this thread and all the others related to this and i have only 1 question. Does anybody on this board really expect the chosen players that post on here to say anything negative in regards to what has happened.
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It probably wouldn't be a good thing for the chosen players to get out of line on a public forum, but then again, most of the ones I have spoken to are content at this juncture with the IPT.

I don't understand enough about the WORLD pool politics to absorb it all. I'm finding out new tidbits each day I sign into this forum.

cueball1950 said:
And if people on here don't think big brother is watching and waiting for a chosen player to say something wrong or out of line think again. I am willing to bet that someone from the IPT is watching this board to get a general consenus of what the people think. oops....
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I agree that someone from the IPT may read this forum. When I have listened to KT's presentations, he has addressed many of the concerns discussed on AzBilliards.

cueball1950 said:
better start a new paragraph.
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I didn't mean to piss you off about mentioning your paragraphing, Mike, but I wanted to digest your post in its entirety, and it was difficult to read without the paragraphing. Please don't take my suggestion to paragraph as an insult because I did not mean for it to be. Instead, I had thought you would want to know that the long text messages without paragraphing is difficult to read, especially on my 52-year-old eyes with glasses. I may need to purchase a 24-inch monitor. :o

cueball1950 said:
but personally i don't care anymore as i don't plan on spending any more time on this subject and in all likely hood this board. So everybody, i said my last on this subject...............................mike
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Well, I'm sorry to see you go, but it won't be for long. I'm planning on seeing you at the $25,000-added Joss/Turning Stone 9-Ball Championship in a few days. So you're just going to have to deal with me, paragraphs or no paragraphs! ;)

Edited: [You beat me to the punch on the extra line, Mike!]

JAM
 
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well JAM. the mention of the paragraph was meant in jest. But you may not be seeing me at Turning Stone. as you and alot of others on here know, my wife is very ill and getting worse by the day. and to top things off i had a nephew pass this past Novemebr and now i have a 15 year old niece with crohns disease that is not doing to well. we were told today that her insides are deteriorating, What ever the hell that means. Hopefully all will go well, but at present there is just to much on my plate to worry about pool and such. And it is time i put all my efforts into my family..Hopefully i can get to Turning Stone on Saturday for a couple of hours...............................................mike
 
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