Lanoo lathe CNC conversion

LGSM3 said:
To be fair? Really? I just thought I'd challenge the Guy. His recommendation was not really a recommendation at all. More like a cheap shot while making himself sound sporty. Hell, maybe I'm confused, Anybody who touts on more than one occasion that he's built more than 20,000 cues makes the bullshit meter goes through the roof.
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That's exactly the sentiment that made me post in the first place.
 
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pdcue said:
If you desire a serious discussion you should not start by twisting wha he said to fit your viewpoint... 1000 lb paperweight...

There are many advantages to a fully functional machine tool lathe. If you do not yet understand that...
you still have a lot to learn.

I could make a playable cue on my somewhat modified used wood lathe. How would you feel
if I called you a foolish, stupid, sucker for paying $4k for a Taig based cue lathe?

Dale
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Ok, fair enough. I don't understand fully functioning machine lathes? I have a lot to learn? Teach me. Show me exactly what you know, that I do not. Show me any cue that you made on your 1000lb paperweight that I cannot make to an even higher standard. Heck, I'd settle for you showing any cue you made, period. As far as I can tell, you're a keyboard jockey participating in an online forum, pretending to know the subject matter, but with no tangible evidence that you have ever made a single cue. So enlighten me, wise one. Tell me what it is that I have to learn.

See where I'm going with this? You don't know anything about me. You don't know that I worked as a machinist performing refurbish/maintenance on actuators & valves for nuclear power plants. You don't know that I am a machinist because I don't tell you. It's none of your business. Unlike others, I don't feel anything about my background is relevant. What comes out of my shop is what matters, and is the only thing anybody needs in order to know my level as a cue maker. The machinery I use, my knowledge base, background, etc. are irrelevant. As a cue maker, I choose to be judged by my finished cues. Once you have that cue in your hand, you have no clue what lathe, mill, etc. was used in the making. And it doesn't matter. If you hold one of my cues in your hand, you realize exactly how good I am or am not at cue making. Anything I say becomes a fart in the wind, because you have the proof in your hands. That cue says everything you need to know. Funny thing is, nobody has ever seen a cue you made, and you refuse to show even a picture. Furthermore, Mr. 20,000 cues has yet to identify himself or his cues, either. Point being, if you're going to talk the talk, then walk the walk.

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qbilder said:
Ok, fair enough. I don't understand fully functioning machine lathes? I have a lot to learn? Teach me. Show me exactly what you know, that I do not. Show me any cue that you made on your 1000lb paperweight that I cannot make to an even higher standard. Heck, I'd settle for you showing any cue you made, period. As far as I can tell, you're a keyboard jockey participating in an online forum, pretending to know the subject matter, but with no tangible evidence that you have ever made a single cue. So enlighten me, wise one. Tell me what it is that I have to learn.

See where I'm going with this? You don't know anything about me. You don't know that I worked as a machinist performing refurbish/maintenance on actuators & valves for nuclear power plants. You don't know that I am a machinist because I don't tell you. It's none of your business. Unlike others, I don't feel anything about my background is relevant. What comes out of my shop is what matters, and is the only thing anybody needs in order to know my level as a cue maker. The machinery I use, my knowledge base, background, etc. are irrelevant. As a cue maker, I choose to be judged by my finished cues. Once you have that cue in your hand, you have no clue what lathe, mill, etc. was used in the making. And it doesn't matter. If you hold one of my cues in your hand, you realize exactly how good I am or am not at cue making. Anything I say becomes a fart in the wind, because you have the proof in your hands. That cue says everything you need to know. Funny thing is, nobody has ever seen a cue you made, and you refuse to show even a picture. Furthermore, Mr. 20,000 cues has yet to identify himself or his cues, either. Point being, if you're going to talk the talk, then walk the walk.

http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Qbilder/library/?sort=2&page=1
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That;s funny, cause when you were learning to make cues - you thought I was
a bang up cue maker, as I recall.

OH NO, the dreaded keyboard jockey accusation...

Just to show how far removed from reality you are, how about showing any instance where I refused to show
a picture of one of my cues, or anything

Dale
 
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I just wanted to know what everyone/anyone preferred for software and stepper motors. I am thinking of using Nema 34s or 43s but I think 43s might be overkill on the slide and feed. My thought is to use a 43 on the lathe like a third axis where the feed and slide (27s or 34s) go in/out and back and forth. Anyways, its nice to see everyone getting along. I will eventually get a machinist's lathe when I get the room and probably when I retire. I like the Hightower lathe a lot and the Lanoo lathe is very solid. His last few (bought these straight from him) look to be better than some older stuff i've seen. BTW, I am getting part prints to make any replacements or modifications that I like too.
 
You can't have too much power for the axis in my view. You should see how powerful the servo motors are on modern CNC lathes and Milling machine centres. You don't want it missing steps for what ever reason.
Don't buy on price point, buy on the specs that you need. Cheap is not cheaper in the long run that is for sure. Generally you get what you pay for. If it's cheap, there is a reasonand it is because they have taken shortcuts. Those shortcuts become long breaks of no production when it turns belly up.
Neil
 
pdcue said:
That;s funny, cause when you were learning to make cues - you thought I was
a bang up cue maker, as I recall.

OH NO, the dreaded keyboard jockey accusation...

Just to show how far removed from reality you are, how about showing any instance where I refused to show
a picture of one of my cues, or anything

Dale
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tenballkiller said:
I just wanted to know what everyone/anyone preferred for software and stepper motors. I am thinking of using Nema 34s or 43s but I think 43s might be overkill on the slide and feed. My thought is to use a 43 on the lathe like a third axis where the feed and slide (27s or 34s) go in/out and back and forth. Anyways, its nice to see everyone getting along. I will eventually get a machinist's lathe when I get the room and probably when I retire. I like the Hightower lathe a lot and the Lanoo lathe is very solid. His last few (bought these straight from him) look to be better than some older stuff i've seen. BTW, I am getting part prints to make any replacements or modifications that I like too.
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Unfortunately this lathe has little if no potential for cnc conversion. I doesnt appear to have a single competent axis with regards to precision or rigidity nor does it have room or provisions for mounting motors, etc. Nema 34's are way overkill for anything on that machine because they would likely destroy it with the slightest crash or over travel.

If you are deadset then heres what would make the most sense.

Mount the lathe to a piece of aluminum with a good 10-12" of aluminum behind the lathe.

Buy a long axis ballscrew driven actuator similar to Bosch CKK and mount it parralell to the lathe on the back side.

Buy a short axis ballscrew driven actuator similar to parker 404xr100 and mount it on the long axis.

both of the above stages typically already have nema 23 mounts.

Buy mach 3 and the deepgroove 540 kit. This kit will have the controller and motors.

Then study the manuals for both.

The above setup will allow you to maintain the lathe in manual mode and also use 2 axis cnc when needed.

FYI, i would nix the stepper motor driven spindle until your knowledge of cnc and mach 3 catches up. Just turn the headstock on manually.
 
LGSM3 said:
Unfortunately this lathe has little if no potential for cnc conversion. I doesnt appear to have a single competent axis with regards to precision or rigidity nor does it have room or provisions for mounting motors, etc. Nema 34's are way overkill for anything on that machine because they would likely destroy it with the slightest crash or over travel.

If you are deadset then heres what would make the most sense.

Mount the lathe to a piece of aluminum with a good 10-12" of aluminum behind the lathe.

Buy a long axis ballscrew driven actuator similar to Bosch CKK and mount it parralell to the lathe on the back side.

Buy a short axis ballscrew driven actuator similar to parker 404xr100 and mount it on the long axis.

both of the above stages typically already have nema 23 mounts.

Buy mach 3 and the deepgroove 540 kit. This kit will have the controller and motors.

Then study the manuals for both.

The above setup will allow you to maintain the lathe in manual mode and also use 2 axis cnc when needed.

FYI, i would nix the stepper motor driven spindle until your knowledge of cnc and mach 3 catches up. Just turn the headstock on manually.
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Like I said..... the Lannoo does not lend itself well to CNC . Brian offered me those 2 lathes the OP has back in Jan. But as getting parts is/was a problem I just re-tooled with 2 Hightowers and a nice wood lathe to handle all the rough work.
 
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