Layered Tips Review

mortuarymike-nv said:
interesting difference , The better players I know like a harder tip.

MMike
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Pretty much every tip will become a hard tip sooner than later. The better players cut to chase for consistency :wink: Maybe everyone should use hard tips or change there soft tips on a monthly basis. :grin-square:
 
Most players cannot shoot well with a hard tip and miscue far too often with them.
 
I played One Pocket for a year with an UltraSkinLayered Soft and 9 Ball with a medium. I took the soft off just recently and Put a hard UltraSkin in its place and now use the medium for one pocket and hard for 9 Ball.

An UltraSkin is usualy applied with about 1/3 taken off with a parting knife and the cue repairman will use the other flat side to but on a 3 C or Snooker players cue.

I like and find tests like this very interesting. I hope my tips measure up well for the task but like competition and what it is, it is. I hope they all do well.
 
agreed

JoeyA said:
Most players cannot shoot well with a hard tip and miscue far too often with them.
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I agree I dont do well with a harder tip.

My best down the table , full table draw shot is with a break tip. But I cannot get good draw every shot.

The best player I know only shoots with a lepro .

and I like a softer tip.

I think it is me............................. I think it is a lack of focus on where i am hitting the cue ball................

MMike
 
I am interested in the testing and the results.. I have a new piece of equipment to quantify feel/playability beyond hardness and should have a prototype at Derby... I am hoping to talk Blackburn into letting someone sit with him while he does repairs and test the tips he installs before and after installation...

Glad to see lots of people are interested in the topic.. I wanted to reproduce the feel/playability of the original medium moori and spent 100s and 100s on tips trying to find the holy grail to no avail...

I decided that the only way to recreate it would be to quantify it and do it myself... It's almost a year and I have tips in testing or differing hardness and COR ratings... So far it's been a lot of fun and I have found more ways to not make a good tip than to make them but the road has narrowed immensely...

Good luck and subscribing...

Chris
 
In the days before layered tips I used to replace the tips in the pool room that had cracked from heat in the winter. The best temperature for pool cue tips is 68 degrees. If the relative humidity is above 70%
the tips swell up and break down. Tips are made of collagen just like your skin.
 
i havent read all the replies:embarrassed2::embarrassed2:
BUT
before you post your results dont you think you should include ALL the most common tips???
as another poster mentioned(regarding donations to the cause) if another $100 or less is required to purchase them and its not in your budget id gladly help support the project:smile:
dint know if ultraskin is in there but it should be since its the new boy wonder
 
Interesting thread. Looking forward to the results.

I am also curious about the hardness in a tip. If you start with the same layered leather and press it to different hardness, I would believe all the tips would finally play the same when they had been hit enough times, but I may be wrong.


-Jon Birger
 
xplor said:
In the days before layered tips I used to replace the tips in the pool room that had cracked from heat in the winter. The best temperature for pool cue tips is 68 degrees. If the relative humidity is above 70%
the tips swell up and break down. Tips are made of collagen just like your skin.
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Interesting thought... Depending on the tip after I remove them from the vacuum chamber I cook them from anywhere between 130 and 170 degrees for substantial amounts of time... The only tip I have had any issue with was when using a LePro as the donor tip.... Those will crumble when pressed if I dry them out at too high of a temperature.. Wouldn't have guessed they would do it outside of an oven......
 
You would also want to know the type of leather, is it tanned leather or not, how many layers and what holds them together?
 
Jobba786 said:
Interesting thread. Looking forward to the results.

I am also curious about the hardness in a tip. If you start with the same layered leather and press it to different hardness, I would believe all the tips would finally play the same when they had been hit enough times, but I may be wrong.


-Jon Birger
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I think somewhere in the forums this was discussed and Baroni? I think had done durometer testing and found that all tips ended up at a 72 when they started out softer than 72...

Hardness is only part of the story on tips COR or elasticity plays a role as well... It can come from the leather chosen or from other sources... If 2 tips are the same except for the original hardness they were pressed at you can expect your soft to end up playing like the medium after awhile...

You can see this on the predator tips... 3 hardness ratings and 3 thicknesses so they are using the press to determine hardness and not chemical additives or other processes..... This is an assumption on my end btw... I have not seen the predator tips in person but the promo photos I saw awhile back showed 3 tips of different hardness ratings of different thicknesses...

Chris
 
anyone have any experince with the black hearts yet ?
i have been testing a couple for a month now ..
carl
 
I will make it real easy. Make a list of layered tips to test and I will pay for them.

I was very happy to see the old Morri top the list as the man set a standard before he passed away.

Let me know when the list is ready.

Thanks
 
Dear Tom,

You are an incredibly generous gentleman and I really appreciate your kind offer, but we cannot accept it. Your gesture sending us your tips for the test was a class act that we are grateful for, but it won’t be fair for you to take any extra cost and providing us with other brands’ tips.

I’m sure that in a couple of months we’ll be able to get enough to make another trial with the tips that were left behind because of budget or time limitations and, by then, we’ll try to make the tests a little more complete and scientific.

Thank you again for your great heart, your continuous support and your contribution to improving the game equipment.

Best regards,

Iago

(Results for the test can be found here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=306609)

TomHay said:
I will make it real easy. Make a list of layered tips to test and I will pay for them.

I was very happy to see the old Morri top the list as the man set a standard before he passed away.

Let me know when the list is ready.

Thanks
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