LBM .562 solid rod for sale

Mr Hoppe said:
It seems that nearly everything is defendable under statements like "Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their right to express it." Yet most reasonable people have boundaries that they won't cross out of respect to one another.

This is a public forum, and there are very, very few rules. Here are a couple that most people tend to adhere to:

1) Avoid posting disparaging remarks in a for sale thread. If you don't like the product or the terms just move on. If you want to make such remarks to the seller, do so using a PM. The seller is trying to make a sale, and in many cases here, his personal household income can be adversely affected by uninformed comments made by others who didn't listen to their Mother when she said "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

2) Don't hijack someone's thread. Relative to a For Sale thread, this means don't chime in and say "Yeah, I've got one of those for sale too." If you have something that you'd like to sell, start your own thread. Relative to open discussion threads, this means taking the discussion in a direction not consistent with the intent of the thread.

Aside from that, I think we should all hold ourselves accountable for what we say. It's easy to get carried away typing our thoughts on the keyboard while staring at a screen. Ask yourself if you would choose to say that out loud in front of others if you were face-to-face. It's also easy to misinterpret what a person has written if they haven't thought it out properly, or written it up clearly. Most people can be given the benefit of the doubt, but you quickly see a pattern with others who's typing fingers tend to move more quickly than their brains.

Respectfully,
Mr H <--- No better than anyone else, and still learning every day.
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Greenie for you. Well said :) God knows i'm guilty of blabbering random thoughts.
 
Mr Hoppe said:
It seems that nearly everything is defendable under statements like "Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their right to express it." Yet most reasonable people have boundaries that they won't cross out of respect to one another.

This is a public forum, and there are very, very few rules. Here are a couple that most people tend to adhere to:

1) Avoid posting disparaging remarks in a for sale thread. If you don't like the product or the terms just move on. If you want to make such remarks to the seller, do so using a PM. The seller is trying to make a sale, and in many cases here, his personal household income can be adversely affected by uninformed comments made by others who didn't listen to their Mother when she said "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

2) Don't hijack someone's thread. Relative to a For Sale thread, this means don't chime in and say "Yeah, I've got one of those for sale too." If you have something that you'd like to sell, start your own thread. Relative to open discussion threads, this means taking the discussion in a direction not consistent with the intent of the thread.

Aside from that, I think we should all hold ourselves accountable for what we say. It's easy to get carried away typing our thoughts on the keyboard while staring at a screen. Ask yourself if you would choose to say that out loud in front of others if you were face-to-face. It's also easy to misinterpret what a person has written if they haven't thought it out properly, or written it up clearly. Most people can be given the benefit of the doubt, but you quickly see a pattern with others who's typing fingers tend to move more quickly than their brains.

Respectfully,
Mr H <--- No better than anyone else, and still learning every day.
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While I certainly agree with your rule #2, I don't agree with rule #1. After all, people are coming to this forum to get straight talk, not to get taken advantage of. I feel most on here are friends and as such, don't let friends make mistakes because they aren't as knowledgable about a subject. As far as I've read, no one was trying to sell a product at a lower price than was advertized but were giving price information for the uninformed. Would you think it right to stand idley by, while your brother bought a new Ford for 30,000.00 when you knew that the dealer down the street was selling it for 20,000.00?

Dick
 
rhncue said:
While I certainly agree with your rule #2, I don't agree with rule #1. After all, people are coming to this forum to get straight talk, not to get taken advantage of. I feel most on here are friends and as such, don't let friends make mistakes because they aren't as knowledgable about a subject. As far as I've read, no one was trying to sell a product at a lower price than was advertized but were giving price information for the uninformed. Would you think it right to stand idley by, while your brother bought a new Ford for 30,000.00 when you knew that the dealer down the street was selling it for 20,000.00?

Dick
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I can see where you are coming from. On a Auto that is identical your $20,000 vs $30,000 is true. But wnen talking cue materials all linen is not created equal. I have 400 old personal stock linen ferrules that you will almost never find a speck or black dot in. They are not for sale. But the linen that has been available for the last few years is not as nice. Now if I was in a jam for $$ I might part with some for say $10 each. That would surely get me some, that is too high comments. But again this material cannot be bought at any price new. It is no longer being made.
 
cueman said:
I can see where you are coming from. On a Auto that is identical your $20,000 vs $30,000 is true. But wnen talking cue materials all linen is not created equal. I have 400 old personal stock linen ferrules that you will almost never find a speck or black dot in. They are not for sale. But the linen that has been available for the last few years is not as nice. Now if I was in a jam for $$ I might part with some for say $10 each. That would surely get me some, that is too high comments. But again this material cannot be bought at any price new. It is no longer being made.
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Chris, I wasn't commenting on this particular instance but more the statement that said it's not "politically correct" to make any comments on a sale unless it's a favorable statement. If that's the case there would be no need for forums such as this as all responses would be the same, - Elk Master tips, 30.00 each - Oh great buy, Yes wonderful deal, Great seller and so forth. Sounds like e-bays feed-back section.

Dick
 
I have 400 old personal stock linen ferrules that you will almost never find a speck or black dot in.
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this stuff isn't quite as crispy or pingy as the old stuff,but very dense or unporous if that's a word and absolutely zero black specs or pits.you are right all LBM isn't created equally and i don't mind paying a few dollars a foot more for the good stuff.quality of product is more important than price for my cue supplies.
 
arnie is deff out of line as usual.

dick you are comparing apples to oranges. like chris said all linen is not created equal. comparing cars is correct but you are compairing two of the same care at two different prices. these products arent the same at all.

now compare that 20,000$ ford to the 40,000$ cadilac and youre more in this ballpark. you pay more for quality. bottom line. just bc it had doors and 4 wheels doesnt make it the same product at all

mason gl with your sale
 
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dave sutton said:
arnie is deff out of line as usual.

dick you are comparing apples to oranges. like chris said all linen is not created equal. comparing cars is correct but you are compairing two of the same care at two different prices. these products arent the same at all.

now compare that 20,000$ ford to the 40,000$ cadilac and youre more in this ballpark. you pay more for quality. bottom line. just bc it had doors and 4 wheels doesnt make it the same product at all

mason gl with your sale
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You do not care about the truth of the matter - you just want to discredit me.

No matter how you shade it, the truth will stand.

LBM is not in short supply.

Have a nice day,
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
Sorry for telling the truth,

Respectfully,
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I have to kinda agree with Arnot. If I'm about to make a bad purchase and someone is kind enough and willing to tell me that it may not be a good purchase, I would appreciate the advice and then base my purchase decision on the information provided.

george
 
Mr Hoppe said:
KJ,
I have to respectfully disagree. There needs to be some rules of etiquette, if not a respect for others. When a person is trying to make a sale and clearly marks his post as such, it is very poor form to knock his sale. Whether his product is good, his price is fair, his shipping is fast, etc are all relative and subjective.

Mr H
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Unless of course, it is of course, someone who is not so popular.
Then the rules change.
 
cueman said:
I can see where you are coming from. On a Auto that is identical your $20,000 vs $30,000 is true. But wnen talking cue materials all linen is not created equal. I have 400 old personal stock linen ferrules that you will almost never find a speck or black dot in. They are not for sale. But the linen that has been available for the last few years is not as nice. Now if I was in a jam for $$ I might part with some for say $10 each. That would surely get me some, that is too high comments. But again this material cannot be bought at any price new. It is no longer being made.
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At $10.00 per inch that comes to $120.00 per foot. I's hard for me to understand that your LBM is that much better than Prather's at $14.00 per foot.

Whether or not it is still available does not make it worth the money in my opinion because there are other products that are equal and much less expensive.

Stating something like that is called "creating envy or urgency" in the advertising world. This normally makes the uninformed purchase items in a hurry without researching it. I heard the same thing about blue-jeans in 1973.

BTW, there are NO black spots in Prather's LBM either.

Respectfully,
 
[QUOTEI's hard for me to understand that your LBM is that much better than Prather's at $14.00 per foot.
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even if someone explained it to you,you still wouldn't understand.
 
Mason has been involved with the plastics industry to develope new & high quality ferrule materials, and has paid a lot of cash out of pocket to do so. I have tested a couple formulas for him, including the an early run of melamine. The stuff isn't cheap. The guy is genuinely developing cue specific material for all of us to use, not just taking an existing product & marketing it as cue stuff. It's expensive, but it's designed & manufactured for cues. There's no excuse for badgering him about his prices. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But at least educate yourself before pointing fingers & making claims. You can pay $14ft for a material designed for industrial use, or you can pay $25ft for something designed & manufactured specifically for cuemakers. That's a matter of choice. But to compare the two without having & thoroughly testing both is uninformed & blatant troublemaking.

I have a level of respect for all cuemakers here, even though I don't always agree with all of them. But Mason is not only a cuemaker. He's a cuemaker activist, actually involving himself with the plastics industry in efforts to advance materials available to us, which ultimately advance our cues. He's not sitting back on a forum *****ing & moaning because this or that is no longer available or it has lost quality or whatever. He's actually going to the source & making something happen. He's doing with his own cash. So when he tries selling a superior product that he lobbied to get manufactured in the first place, then he can charge whatever he feels appropriate & shouldn't be bashed for it. I'm not affiliated with him in any way, nothing to gain by saying all this. I just think it's very friggin cool that somebody has taken the initiative to change the things we all ***** about. And I think it's uncool when he gets chastised for his efforts.
 
masonh said:
even if someone explained it to you,you still wouldn't understand.
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I have gone to the trouble explaining my position in this matter but all you can do is attack me personally with remarks like the above.

Respectfully,
 
qbilder said:
Mason has been involved with the plastics industry to develope new & high quality ferrule materials, and has paid a lot of cash out of pocket to do so. I have tested a couple formulas for him, including the an early run of melamine. The stuff isn't cheap. The guy is genuinely developing cue specific material for all of us to use, not just taking an existing product & marketing it as cue stuff. It's expensive, but it's designed & manufactured for cues. There's no excuse for badgering him about his prices. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But at least educate yourself before pointing fingers & making claims. You can pay $14ft for a material designed for industrial use, or you can pay $25ft for something designed & manufactured specifically for cuemakers. That's a matter of choice. But to compare the two without having & thoroughly testing both is uninformed & blatant troublemaking.

I have a level of respect for all cuemakers here, even though I don't always agree with all of them. But Mason is not only a cuemaker. He's a cuemaker activist, actually involving himself with the plastics industry in efforts to advance materials available to us, which ultimately advance our cues. He's not sitting back on a forum *****ing & moaning because this or that is no longer available or it has lost quality or whatever. He's actually going to the source & making something happen. He's doing with his own cash. So when he tries selling a superior product that he lobbied to get manufactured in the first place, then he can charge whatever he feels appropriate & shouldn't be bashed for it. I'm not affiliated with him in any way, nothing to gain by saying all this. I just think it's very friggin cool that somebody has taken the initiative to change the things we all ***** about. And I think it's uncool when he gets chastised for his efforts.
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Atlas and Prather have also worked with the plastics industry developing cue specific materials for many years.

I have also tested Mason's melamine a while back and was not impressed especially when I look at the price difference.

Nobody chastised him - I just mentioned that I thought his prices are a little high.

Don't twist my words.

Respectfully,
 
Arnot, I never twisted your words. You clearly were foul intentioned with your self righteous "save the unknowing" words. You don't like the price? Don't buy. Don't mock. Don't point fingers. That's what upset others. Nobody cares if you like his stuff or not, that's your business. Squirm & wriggle all you like but it isn't going to change your already executed actions. Nobody has to twist anything. You blatantly mocked him in one post, as if to get a laugh out of other viewers. You clearly attempted crushing his sale by pointing out how expensive his prices were compared to other prices, as if you actually know that the two materials are the same. The fact is, you don't know. You had no justifiable purpose to post your negativity in the first place. So don't go "woe is me" now with thinking somebody is twisting your words. You made yourself more than clear to everybody who reads it. If it was misunderstood & you are unhappy about it, then maybe apologize to the offendee & explain to the forum what you really meant. Arguing & becoming defensive doesn't change the image you created for yourself. Maybe explaining yourself in a less smarta$$ manner would.

You know, I used to enjoy your informative & often times insightful posts. I had a good deal of respect for you. I have even bought a cue from you, which I have done with other builders very rarely. But lately, since about the time Wheatie showed up, you have been sour & negative & simply unpleasant. It has nothing to do with him, just a time reference. I understand moods can change, but this has been going on a long time, past the point of a mood. It's dissapointing. I used to look up to you. What happened to the helpful, pleasantly arrogant, usually funny Arnot?
 
qbilder said:
Arnot, I never twisted your words. You clearly were foul intentioned with your self righteous "save the unknowing" words. You don't like the price? Don't buy. Don't mock. Don't point fingers. That's what upset others. Nobody cares if you like his stuff or not, that's your business. Squirm & wriggle all you like but it isn't going to change your already executed actions. Nobody has to twist anything. You blatantly mocked him in one post, as if to get a laugh out of other viewers. You clearly attempted crushing his sale by pointing out how expensive his prices were compared to other prices, as if you actually know that the two materials are the same. The fact is, you don't know. You had no justifiable purpose to post your negativity in the first place. So don't go "woe is me" now with thinking somebody is twisting your words. You made yourself more than clear to everybody who reads it. If it was misunderstood & you are unhappy about it, then maybe apologize to the offendee & explain to the forum what you really meant. Arguing & becoming defensive doesn't change the image you created for yourself. Maybe explaining yourself in a less smarta$$ manner would.

You know, I used to enjoy your informative & often times insightful posts. I had a good deal of respect for you. I have even bought a cue from you, which I have done with other builders very rarely. But lately, since about the time Wheatie showed up, you have been sour & negative & simply unpleasant. It has nothing to do with him, just a time reference. I understand moods can change, but this has been going on a long time, past the point of a mood. It's dissapointing. I used to look up to you. What happened to the helpful, pleasantly arrogant, usually funny Arnot?
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Thanks for buying one of my cues. I appreciate your contributions to this forum.

Sorry to have offended you or anyone else.

Have a nice day,
 
I have also tested Mason's melamine a while back and was not impressed especially when I look at the price difference.
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how did you test the Melamine?

if you are talking about the piece i sent you 5-6 months ago,that wasn't even Melamine.i am done with this petty stuff.
 
I can see both parties points here. Mas has a product that he feels is being sold at a FAIR price. If someone has a SIMILAR product at a better price & he allerts us to the source, then he is indeed doing US a favor. There is not villain here, just 2 sources of information...JER
 
qbilder said:
Greenie for you. Well said :) God knows i'm guilty of blabbering random thoughts.
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LOL *bites my tongue*

At least the MAJORITY of your posts are substantial.

The closest I'll ever get to being a cue maker is when I sleep at night. Since I can't control my dreams...I might never get there at that point either.

I always figured this portion of the forum would be the model for civility. Creative, like-minded, level headed craftsmen...all enjoying the same pursuit. I just don't see it all the time. It's pretty frustrating.

I have a hard time thinking ANYONE could believe that Mason was trying to pull one over on anyone. The people that frequent this portion of AZ are GENERALLY (and god knows there are exceptions) the most informed individuals around, ESPECIALLY regarding the construction methods and materials involved in the building of a cue. Most are cuemakers for gods sake. If there are any of you that don't have a clue as to what materials cost...then shame on you anyway. I look up to you guys. You guys are the only reason I even get to enjoy the game of pool. I just can't stand watching the people I largely admire...take shots at one another.
 
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