So would I, but only to prove to the superstroke believers what I already know. There are many things that we know are true without seeing them demonstrated before our eyes.
pj
chgo
LD shaft for one pocket?
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pj
chgo
As has already been said, the only difference is in how you'd aim the shot (because of less squirt). The CB hits the OB on the same spot and from the same angle with or without a LD shaft - the OB doesn't know what kind of shaft you used to get there.
pj
chgo
I can see you have attended the Rush Limbaugh school of scientific discourse: believe what you believe, dismiss everything else.
I expected better from you.
I'm genuinely interested in what potential playing advantage you think any of the stuff you mentioned might give, but I'm not particularly interested in trading insults with you today. Maybe another time.
pj
chgo
Not according to science--which insists on experimental confirmation of hypothesis or theory. Yes, a big part of it is "I told you so." But I would still really like to have the absolute, demonstrable knowledge of it. There is in fact still a HUGE percentage of players (including some first class players) who believe a truckload of lore and myth about "stroke." I've seen MANY instances of new players being intimidated by the idea of "stroke magic," and come away feeling they could never learn to play properly.
real science
You can't know what it is that you don't know.
Or what effect these findings will yield.
You can't know what it is that you don't know.
Or what effect these findings will yield.
i don't believe that.
You don't believe the CB hits the OB the same way? That's not a guess, you know - it's the only logical way it can happen. A LD shaft squirts less but doesn't swerve less, so the shooter has to replace the squirt with an equal amount of aim adjustment in order to hit the OB. It's the exact same shot accomplished in a slightly different way.
If you have some reason this shouldn't be so, it would be interesting to hear. If it's just your belief based on your impression, that's not really meaningful.
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But if standard shafts have squirt and swerve, and LD shafts only have swerve, wouldn't the angle of impact be a lil different? I'm not arguing, I'm really just trying to understand all of this. In the end it doesn't matter tho, I've decided to take the advice of the majority of posters and stay with what I've got.:thumbup: I'm thinkin there is no reason to avoid LD shafts for one hole, but the idea of changing all my equipement around is too much for me to deal with at the moment. Ill just continue to have fun and not care about the rest of the world while I play me some pool.:thumbup:
Joe
i don't base my beliefs on what other people feel is meaningful so i don't really care if you think it's meaningful or not.
i've just notices some banks or shots are easier to make with LD shafts. transfering spin to the OB seems easier for some reason.
i got nothing to prove to anyone and i'm not looking to get into some sort of pissing contest with you. you want to believe you're right go right ahead. i'm not one of those guys that gets on the forum waiting to challenge people's opinions and demand proof or explanation so i can pounce on them with the "you're wrong i'm right" pompous attitude.
you can scientifically prove anything you want and bring your protractor to the table if you want but at the end of the day you gotta shoot by feel. nobody i've ever met has had their limbs replaced with an "iron willie" parts
Me either. Believe what you want and I'll just use your comments as examples for the education of other readers.
pj
chgo
what ever. congrats capt superiority complex. i swear az gets filled with more and more of you technical nits every day....... "is it the back hand english that does this?" or "it's called throw not deflection" that..... every day its more and more of this techno bable.
while you're busy nit picking posts and terminology somebody some where will actually be playing pool!
how can you even try to say "me either" when you just asked for proof. you're just trolling the forum waiting to sound pompous and arrogant at the drop of a dime.
Every sidespin shot has three things that make the CB go where it goes: aim, squirt and swerve (these are affected by distance, speed and table condition, but since we're talking about the same shot those won't change). If we change any one of those three we have to compensate by changing another one or we'll miss the shot. In this case we reduce squirt and leave swerve the same, so we have to change our aim to "replace" the squirt in the equation. Changing our aim has exactly the same effect that the squirt did and the shot turns out exactly the same.
pj
chgo
LOL. Obviously that won't be you.
Try not to take things so personally.
pj
chgo
Hmmm, I admit I hadn't really thought of that. That means, theoretically, that aim has to be adjusted so the CB follows ENTIRELY the same path to the OB--since the swerve paths have to be identical, and they are a component from the very start. Interesting, and it makes sense: a shaft with greater squirt requires more aim offset than one with lesser squirt--and the outcome of that is that the shaft that squirted more would end up sending the CB down exactly the same path as the one that squirted less, BECAUSE the aiming had changed.
Yeah, if you wanted the two different shafts to hit the OB in the exactly the same place, with exactly the same english, they would have to travel down exactly the same paths--ALL THE WAY; which would be accomplished by adjusting aim.
EDIT: And, in fact, you would also have to hit the high deflection shaft SLIGHTLY harder than the low, in order to supply the extra forward velocity that was thrown away by more squirt. Interestingly, that also serves to explain why it can be said that LD shafts produce more spin with the same hit--and indeed, by hitting the HD shaft slightly harder, you would end up having english that matches the LD shaft, and SPEED that matches the LD shaft--and the difference in effort is blown off by the "waste" of squirt! (Note: that effect would probably be VERY small, but I think still noticeable to a very sensitive player--as it has been noticed that LD shafts appear to put on more english for the same power). WOW! I feel like I've really learned something now!
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check my post count. you know for a fact it won't be me!
Cool. One of the main reasons I enjoy the challenge of clarifying technical concepts is that the exercise improves my own understanding.
pj
chgo
My HD shaft squirt compensate aim adjustment, so i don't have to adjust aim, just hit OB like center CB shot hehehe:thumbup:
LD shafts
I started playing about the same time the Ford Mustang came onto the scene. Lots of plane, ordinary maple shafts. No problemo. Cars came out with fuel injection, baseball bats of aluminum, quiche, the Berlin wall comes down, Richard Nixon, lots of new stuff. I was excited about high tech shafts, made sense to start using science and technology for shaft making. I guess Predator was one of the first but I held back but finally got an OB1 cause I knew Don Owens and always like something different. Man, what a learning curve. I can't believe I held on so long trying to almost relearn shooting. I guess I figured it out or maybe my body just figured it out. Went about a year and a half and finally gave it up. All I can say is that OB1 could really throw a masse shot. It would masse so good I actually lost that shot in my arsenal. It swerved way too much. I put it away and went back to my old shaft(Shurtz) and have never looked back. Don't forget those pros are compensated when they use someones stick or shaft. I think there are a lot of great playing shafts made by greaat cuemakers that play as well or better than Predators.
I started playing about the same time the Ford Mustang came onto the scene. Lots of plane, ordinary maple shafts. No problemo. Cars came out with fuel injection, baseball bats of aluminum, quiche, the Berlin wall comes down, Richard Nixon, lots of new stuff. I was excited about high tech shafts, made sense to start using science and technology for shaft making. I guess Predator was one of the first but I held back but finally got an OB1 cause I knew Don Owens and always like something different. Man, what a learning curve. I can't believe I held on so long trying to almost relearn shooting. I guess I figured it out or maybe my body just figured it out. Went about a year and a half and finally gave it up. All I can say is that OB1 could really throw a masse shot. It would masse so good I actually lost that shot in my arsenal. It swerved way too much. I put it away and went back to my old shaft(Shurtz) and have never looked back. Don't forget those pros are compensated when they use someones stick or shaft. I think there are a lot of great playing shafts made by greaat cuemakers that play as well or better than Predators.