LD Shafts Back To Regular Shafts

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DrCue'sProtege

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Ok, I am looking to perhaps buy me a new cue. I've been noticing the Predator and OB Cues and am sort of debating as to whether or not I should purchase one due to their low deflection shafts. I currently do have a Predator 314 shaft for my Lucasi cue but I seldom if rarely use it.

My question is simply this - is it a big adjustment to going back to a regular shaft after playing with a LD shaft?

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DrCue'sProtege said:
Ok, I am looking to perhaps buy me a new cue. I've been noticing the Predator and OB Cues and am sort of debating as to whether or not I should purchase one due to their low deflection shafts. I currently do have a Predator 314 shaft for my Lucasi cue but I seldom if rarely use it.

My question is simply this - is it a big adjustment to going back to a regular shaft after playing with a LD shaft?

Rat
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8 Years ago I switched from a Laminated LD shaft back to a Solid maple shaft it was like a breath of fresh air.

Everyone has to adjust for deflection regardless of what any shaft is made from our how its constructed it still has deflection....
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
8 Years ago I switched from a Laminated LD shaft back to a Solid maple shaft it was like a breath of fresh air.

Everyone has to adjust for deflection regardless of what any shaft is made from our how its constructed it still has deflection....
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I agree here. Solid has a special feel to them. Play with squirt, use it and see it as a positive thing and the game will be even more funny:).

Chrippa
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
Ok, I am looking to perhaps buy me a new cue. I've been noticing the Predator and OB Cues and am sort of debating as to whether or not I should purchase one due to their low deflection shafts. I currently do have a Predator 314 shaft for my Lucasi cue but I seldom if rarely use it.

My question is simply this - is it a big adjustment to going back to a regular shaft after playing with a LD shaft?

Rat
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Yes but IMO all players should have both LD and HD some shots are easier potted with LD and other potted with HD
eiter way there is some adjusmet needs to be learnt
 
I fully agree with this. Every shaft will have some degree of deflection that you will need to get adjust. I believe the laminated construction prevalent in 'lower deflection' shafts is one approach to achieving tighter shaft to shaft consistency.

mortuarymike-nv said:
8 Years ago I switched from a Laminated LD shaft back to a Solid maple shaft it was like a breath of fresh air.

Everyone has to adjust for deflection regardless of what any shaft is made from our how its constructed it still has deflection....
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DrCue'sProtege said:
Ok, I am looking to perhaps buy me a new cue. I've been noticing the Predator and OB Cues and am sort of debating as to whether or not I should purchase one due to their low deflection shafts. I currently do have a Predator 314 shaft for my Lucasi cue but I seldom if rarely use it.

My question is simply this - is it a big adjustment to going back to a regular shaft after playing with a LD shaft?

Rat
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LD shafts are the biggest hype and lie in the pool world today.
How many snooker players use those?
But regardless of that, I was never happier than after I went back to solid maple shafts. It was like a breath of fresh air. Many of my friends have done the same and NONE have regretted it.
Like the above comment says, everyone has to adjust for deflection.
Whether it's an LD shaft or solid. So what the hell does it matter then???
Go back to solid and you won't regret it.
 
9Ballr said:
LD shafts are the biggest hype and lie in the pool world today.
How many snooker players use those?
But regardless of that, I was never happier than after I went back to solid maple shafts. It was like a breath of fresh air. Many of my friends have done the same and NONE have regretted it.
Like the above comment says, everyone has to adjust for deflection.
Whether it's an LD shaft or solid. So what the hell does it matter then???
Go back to solid and you won't regret it.
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Words just can't express it.....

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DrCue'sProtege said:
Ok, I am looking to perhaps buy me a new cue. I've been noticing the Predator and OB Cues and am sort of debating as to whether or not I should purchase one due to their low deflection shafts. I currently do have a Predator 314 shaft for my Lucasi cue but I seldom if rarely use it.

My question is simply this - is it a big adjustment to going back to a regular shaft after playing with a LD shaft?

Rat
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If you decide to really learn how a low deflection shaft works and integrate it into your game, to really develop a feel for it...then I'd say YES. It will be very difficult to transition back. I play with an OB Pro +. I couldn't run 2 balls with a regular cue. Well, at least not right away. I can relearn the old way, but initially I feel very all over the place...no sense of accuracy at all! Just my experience of course.
 
9Ballr said:
LD shafts are the biggest hype and lie in the pool world today.
How many snooker players use those?
But regardless of that, I was never happier than after I went back to solid maple shafts. It was like a breath of fresh air. Many of my friends have done the same and NONE have regretted it.
Like the above comment says, everyone has to adjust for deflection.
Whether it's an LD shaft or solid. So what the hell does it matter then???
Go back to solid and you won't regret it.
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Most Snooker cues are actually 'low deflection ' naturally... :wink:

It's easy to get used almost any kind deflection if your butt and taper is familiar.
 
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ctyhntr said:
I fully agree with this. Every shaft will have some degree of deflection that you will need to get adjust. I believe the laminated construction prevalent in 'lower deflection' shafts is one approach to achieving tighter shaft to shaft consistency.
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I have been involved in making a few Non laminated LD shafts,
I have no idea how they stack up against Predator or OB shafts.
They seem to play pretty good but I know that the end mass of the cue is not as lite as the most of the other LD shaft makers .


I have had horrible luck with Laminated LD shafts holding together.
Being a back woods country boy with a few lathes, I am able to make my own cues and shafts.
I have one non laminated LD shaft that I play with.

I use solid maple shafts 99% of the time, and just started using a non laminated LD shaft in the last 2 weeks.
It seems ok or even pretty good but I don't know if I like it better then my solid maple shafts.

Its different and maybe as good, but I don't know if I would say it plays any better.

I have spoken with Bob Danielson , he make s Laminated LD shafts and he said he has had only one shaft come back in twenty years.

If I was going to be buying a Laminated LD shaft I would have to talk to Bob D
I like the fact he hasn't had allot of shafts that havent fallen apart.
 
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Hey, please dont mix chicken with bricks, laminate technology is not about LD, but about stability of the shaft and its straight. Mezx LD are solid mapple, as example. LD depends on
1) lower weight of shaft at the tips side (by drilling a hollow and using smaller ferrule)
2) contact spot size (lower tip diameter deflects less)
3) cue ball weight, heavier ball deflects less
4) some other things but not as important as previous two)
Snooker cue have a smaller tip and lighter shaft so it deflects much less than pool cue.
 
cpcntr said:
Hey, please dont mix chicken with bricks, laminate technology is not about LD, but about stability of the shaft and its straight. Mezx LD are solid mapple, as example. LD depends on
1) lower weight of shaft at the tips side (by drilling a hollow and using smaller ferrule)
2) contact spot size (lower tip diameter deflects less)
3) cue ball weight, heavier ball deflects less
4) some other things but not as important as previous two)
Snooker cue have a smaller tip and lighter shaft so it deflects much less than pool cue.
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Btw I really like that set of balls in ur photo what is model of that set?
 
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cpcntr said:
Hey, please dont mix chicken with bricks, laminate technology is not about LD, but about stability of the shaft and its straight. Mezx LD are solid mapple, as example. LD depends on
1) lower weight of shaft at the tips side (by drilling a hollow and using smaller ferrule)
2) contact spot size (lower tip diameter deflects less)
3) cue ball weight, heavier ball deflects less
4) some other things but not as important as previous two)
Snooker cue have a smaller tip and lighter shaft so it deflects much less than pool cue.
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I knew or understand (1) and (2) on your list, 3 and 4 are new to me or haven't thought about cue ball weight VS less or more deflection.

Mix chickens and bricks
Not a problem....
 
I had been playing with a Joss with their stock maple shaft medium tip 12.25 mm with pro taper. About a month ago I got an OB 2 + 11.75mm soft tip low deflection. I really can't tell the difference between the two shafts as far as deflection. There is always deflection. I have been warming up and practicing with the OB but when it's match time I switch to my Joss shaft because I have trouble with table length soft finesse shots with the OB. The OB is great in heavy traffic so I have mainly been using it for 14.1. Bottom line I will be ordering an extra Joss shaft and will probably put the OB up for sale if I don't start to feel more confident with it soon.
 
philly said:
I had been playing with a Joss with their stock maple shaft medium tip 12.25 mm with pro taper. About a month ago I got an OB 2 + 11.75mm soft tip low deflection. I really can't tell the difference between the two shafts as far as deflection. There is always deflection. I have been warming up and practicing with the OB but when it's match time I switch to my Joss shaft because I have trouble with table length soft finesse shots with the OB. The OB is great in heavy traffic so I have mainly been using it for 14.1. Bottom line I will be ordering an extra Joss shaft and will probably put the OB up for sale if I don't start to feel more confident with it soon.
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As far as LD shafts are concerned...

I like Jacoby hybrids, but have the best feel using pooldawg's tips. The LD shaft that feels the closest to a solid maple, to me, is a Pechauer LD shaft. I typically stay larger though. 12.75mm. When the tip finally goes out, I'll replace using Jeff's tips on that one too.

I do like solid shafts though. Leon Sly's Lakewood shafts feel about the best to me. So, I switch back and forth on a 9 footer with these shafts. On a barbox, I only use the Jacoby hybrid. My shape is best and it can get a little more crowded on a small table. The other shafts tend to drift me a little further away. Instead of adjusting, I have my game where I am comfortable at on a barbox, so I'm not changing a thing. By the way, the shaft still has pooldawg's tip (jacoby Hybrid).
 
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There is no cookie cutter answer to your question.. It's completely up to the player, all you are going to get is opinions, which will vary greatly.

For me, solid shaft is the only way. I've went back and forth and have always come back and play the best with my Madden cue, with a solid maple shaft. Some will agree, others won't. Only YOU can decide what's best for you.
 
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