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softshot

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I have been posting on this site for 3 years.. and lurked for a year before joining..

I have seen tons of threads come and go..

I have never seen a BCA league bashing thread

I have never seen a VNEA league bashing thread

I have never seen a TAP league bashing thread

but there is an APA bashing thread every other week

Why is that?

what are they doing that the APA isn't or vice versa?

I have never played APA.. only VNEA and it had NONE of the issues that the APA'ers complain about..
 
I saw a thread about the BCAPL raising annual fee $5.00 in the middle of the recession. I know I did I started it.
 
I saw another one on the BCAPL regarding their decision to start an Advance Divisions. Stupid IDEA!
 
softshot said:
I have been posting on this site for 3 years.. and lurked for a year before joining..


there is an APA bashing thread every other week

Why is that?
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Don't really know. :shrug: I guess we will have to try harder and make sure there is one every week. :ok:

Sorry about the disappointment.
 
Anything that is considered the "biggest" in it's sphere of influence will get proportionally more bashing types of attention, and APA is no exception. Wal-Mart, the Yankees or Cowboys, AT&T... there are no doubt countless more examples. LeBron James comes to mind, as well.

It's easy to rail at the big guy, and it seems to make people feel better because they "hate" it. It's cool to bash number one.
 
Why is the Bcapl's advance divisiona bad idea? It just puts more advanced shooters into the same bracket. I on hand am ranked a B player. If I shot against a A or AA player in the open, and got beat by a player that goes on and cash's. That player would be bumped up to the Advanced division, not the Master division. The Advance division is like the AA divisions at the State Regional tournaments. Why let a AA player play in a weaker field to ca$h. This makes perfect cense. Would you like to match up against a AA that should be in the advanced division? Think about it. That division was created to keep the players coming back to Vega$. Does a player that goes to Vegas for the 1st time and cash's want to be bumped into the Master's Division. No, they will go into the Advanced division now. That way the have a tougher field to prove themselves and make their way to becoming a Master in the BCAPL. This has been in the works for some time. The BCAPL has decided that this would be a good thing for the players. It keeps the would be player member who is not ranked, but could be a higher skill level than most Open Division players out of the Open Division. Player members are put into the Advanced Division unless they contact the BCAPL office to submit paperwork to try to go back down to the Open Division. In All, the Advanced Division should of been in place 10 years ago, there would of more players coming to Vegas.

My point of view is, more players = more money to paid out. Period....
 
BCAPL and league bashing

DunnM1 said:
I saw another one on the BCAPL regarding their decision to start an Advance Divisions. Stupid IDEA!
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I have seen several of your posts on several threads and you seem unhappy about a couple of things.

Perhaps you could call our office and we can explain the logic behind creating the advanced division. (We actually also eliminated the 'player division').

There was a lot if thought that went into the decision.

I also remember you had stated in previous posts that you should never go by past performance to arrive at a player's rating. I am not sure what you are saying because that is the best information available - so perhaps you can explain your thinking on that.

I would also like to explain how our added money arrangement works, because I think I saw your post that the higher the division, the more the added money should be. The problem with that is now you have the open players 'supporting' the master players. (Not sure they are going to like that!)

Anyhow, I hope you call us to discuss-

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
702-719-7665
markg@playcsipool.com
We try very hard to listen to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
 
Might it be because the APA DQ's more sandbaggers per capita than the rest? At least in Jackson County, Missouri, where the APA is larger than all other billiard leagues put together.

And those kicked out of APA must have someone else to blame? Right? It's little fun to have to take responsibility for your own cheating, once caught.

Therefore, many of them end up here. Along with many honest players that frequent the forum. You know which category you're in, right?

It's not complicated when you think about it.

And YES (in response to that other thread) the APA is a success. Love it or hate it - few ignore it.
 
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As we all know, sandbagging seems to be an issue in the APA. The way the system is set up(23 rule) seems to cause more of it then other leagues I have seen.

The APA also has some rules that many of the advanced players do not like. There are no jump cues, no pushes, make what you take on the break. Of course there are good players in the APA, but they seem to cater to the lower level players. More lower level players out there, so that means more money.

These things along with others seems to be why the APA gets more negativity then other leagues.
 
Mark Griffin said:
I have seen several of your posts on several threads and you seem unhappy about a couple of things.

Perhaps you could call our office and we can explain the logic behind creating the advanced division. (We actually also eliminated the 'player division').

There was a lot if thought that went into the decision.

I also remember you had stated in previous posts that you should never go by past performance to arrive at a player's rating. I am not sure what you are saying because that is the best information available - so perhaps you can explain your thinking on that.

I would also like to explain how our added money arrangement works, because I think I saw your post that the higher the division, the more the added money should be. The problem with that is now you have the open players 'supporting' the master players. (Not sure they are going to like that!)

Anyhow, I hope you call us to discuss-

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
702-719-7665
markg@playcsipool.com
We try very hard to listen to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
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Taking away the players division was a good thing. Creating the Advanced division was also a good thing. I believe that putting the player member into the advance division is going to put more money into the tournament. It will also give those so called sandbaggers a challenge! People who goto Vegas want to play there best, that is without getting there a$$'s beat down by somebody more advanced than them. I'm only a B player, but on any given day I can beat advanced players. I know many top shooters in Wisconsin that are AA and Masters, who goto vegas in the open division. Why is that? I am not sure how they get to play in a division, that they know they easily cash. I'm sure after time, the new division will open some eyes, and people will come to like it. For the player members, I'm sure some people will be pissy about being in the Advanced division., but they can always call the BCAPL aobut possibly being lowered to the Open Division. People will always rant and rave about anything and everything. Thats just their nature.

As for the BCAPL, I'm happy to see the Advance Division take effect, In my eyes. It's like the AA division at a State Regional tourny. It will in time seperate the advanced shooters from the rest of us. :)
 
I think in some cases it's a matter of ego. Yes, as someone pointed out, it's cool to bash the APA. The league caters to the average player, so there are going to be some who think they are "too good" for the APA.

Steve
 
pooltchr said:
I think in some cases it's a matter of ego. Yes, as someone pointed out, it's cool to bash the APA. The league caters to the average player, so there are going to be some who think they are "too good" for the APA.

Steve
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I agree, some people do have some big ego's. I get beat alot. And some people try to work it in more than they should. I don't bash any leagues. A league is a league. Period. Without the players, there wouldn't be any leagues.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
I saw a thread about the BCAPL raising annual fee $5.00 in the middle of the recession. I know I did I started it.
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Problem with that change was no one bothered to read what it said and really meant. For the one league per year player, it was a $5 increase in "dues". For me, it was the best thing the BCAPL could have done! I play each year in six BCAPL leagues in Rochester and two in Vegas. I was paying $10 per league. Now I pay $15 for all eight! If the players had really read the press release and understood it, virtually no one should have had a negative comment on it. How many players do you think only play in one league per year? Thanks BCAPL.

Lyn
 
cardiac kid said:
problem with that change was no one bothered to read what it said and really meant. For the one league per year player, it was a $5 increase in "dues". For me, it was the best thing the bcapl could have done! I play each year in six bcapl leagues in rochester and two in vegas. I was paying $10 per league. Now i pay $15 for all eight! If the players had really read the press release and understood it, virtually no one should have had a negative comment on it. How many players do you think only play in one league per year? Thanks bcapl.

Lyn
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good post gets you greenie!!!!
 
It's a real question of the ages! From what I've determined, every 20th or so post is to post something negative about a league. The bottom line:
everyone loves to complain. Growing up I thought it was my parents. Lately, newly married, I thought it was my wife. Nope, it's everyone. Except me, of course :)
 
Apa

One of the problems i hear every week about the APA is when a 7 gets beat by a 4. thats what makes the league such a success it makes it harder for the 7 to beat a 4 because the 4 only has to make 31 balls before the 7 has to make 55 balls.

me personally i love the apa and would love it more if i was going to vegas in a week or so:mad:
 
The fact that the CEO of the BCAPL takes the time to read and respond to posts on this forum should tell us how committed the organization is to making sure it's members are satisfied.

I'm impressed. Wish others in the pool vendor/providers community at large had this same mentality!

Brian in VA
 
as you have just witnessed , the BCA gets far fewer bashing threads because
MARK CARES ABOUT HIS PLAYERS AND ADDRESSES THEIR CONCERNS IN A TIMELY MANNER
you can't argue with customer service like that
the 'other' leagues don't seem to recognize that their players are their customers and don't deem it necessary to respond to their concerns
hope I answered your question with as little 'bashing as possible
and again , thanx 2 Mark for stopping by . . .
 
ridinda9 said:
as you have just witnessed , the BCA gets far fewer bashing threads because
MARK CARES ABOUT HIS PLAYERS AND ADDRESSES THEIR CONCERNS IN A TIMELY MANNER
you can't argue with customer service like that
the 'other' leagues don't seem to recognize that their players are their customers and don't deem it necessary to respond to their concerns
hope I answered your question with as little 'bashing as possible
and again , thanx 2 Mark for stopping by . . .
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I agree! You never see Terry Bell or Larry Hubbart coming on here to explain the rational behind their actions. They don't care, and as long as their 270,000 players keep sending in their money, you'll never hear from them. I've been boycoting the APA for over 10 years now. There's no BCAPL in my area, which frankly isn't a big issue for me as I don't drink and can't stand being around a bunch of drunks anyway, so unless I had some good friends who wanted me to play with them in a future BCA league, I'm probably done with leagues anyway. But I wouldn't play in the APA again, if they let me make the rules and paid me to play in the league, which I know is very farfetched but I've been screwed over too many times already by them to give them any chance of recruiting me again!
 
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