This is the kind of shot that you’re not going to get any consensus here or anywhere as to whether or not it was a foul / double hit. Only a close-up video in super slow motion would be necessary to make the call with absolute certainty.
League players! Good Shot or Bad?
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If you’ll note, there’s already a consensus.
Just because you gleefully double-hit cueballs, it's still a foul
Physically impossible to avoid the double-hit unless you shoot away
Read the original post. “Opponent plays the shot as shown in the video, jacked up and shooting away from the 8.” The cue ball goes nearly straight up-table just like it did when I gleefully tried it.
The cue ball didn’t really go nearly straight up table. Nor was he shooting away from the 8. He was simply shooting away from the target line which isn‘t the same thing.
If you watch carefully, it went forward almost a half diamond. It never started on the tangent line as it would have had there not been a double hit.
Look closely at the angle the 2 balls are sitting at before the shot. If you are truly shooting away from the 8-ball, the cue ball would be heading up the table on the tangent line towards the 7 ball / the top left corner pocket, as opposed to starting out heading towards the foot spot, which is virtually 45° forward of the tangent line of the two balls. This is why it is a foul.
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OP isn't shooting away from the 8, I noted this as well in another reply
I agree with this. Aim towards the 9 ball, and the throw should about counteract with the cut angle. It's possible though that you might need a bit of right spin to help throw it a bit more, but I don't even think that is necessary.
Unless the CB hops into the OB (very likely), which will increase the carom angle (the OB direction will be corrected by throw).
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Hold on folks...This not a 2 dimensional shot. He is 'jacked up' and a high speed camera would show the cue ball jump up. If you think 3 dimensional, it does not take much elevation to have the cue ball go high enough to seemingly change the tangent line. Think jump shot.
This shot in any case is not a foul because you cannot determine absolutely a foul. Call goes to the shooter.
This shot in any case is not a foul because you cannot determine absolutely a foul. Call goes to the shooter.
I think there was no double hit because the tip was still on the cue ball when the cue ball hit the 8. It's still a foul.
As for the chance of the cue ball jumping to take the forward angle that it did, it would have to barely skim the 8 ball to take that angle from a jump. The 8 moved too fast.
Only if there’s not a ref.
I don’t know of any capable ref that wouldn’t call that a foul.
Round 2! How about this one?
I work nights and have been asleep all day. Just got up and did it again.
IMO, the first video was a blatant foul based on the path of the CB. How would you call this one? Same setup. Same aim line.
I work nights and have been asleep all day. Just got up and did it again.
IMO, the first video was a blatant foul based on the path of the CB. How would you call this one? Same setup. Same aim line.
Foul.
The cue ball moved a full half ball forward of the tangent line after contacting the object ball before the backspin took hold.
Again though, many league players are not going to recognize that.
The cue ball moved a full half ball forward of the tangent line after contacting the object ball before the backspin took hold.
Again though, many league players are not going to recognize that.
Probably a foul.
If you want to understand the difference between foul and fair, set the shot up between the side pockets where you have more room. Instead of the shot where the cue ball is a mm or two from the object ball, bring it back an inch or so along the line of the stick you plan to use. See what the path of the cue ball looks like in that setup for your masse shot. Now gradually bring the cue ball forward, trying shots at each smaller distance, and always using the same fullness you chose at the start.
To better see the initial forward penetration, put a second object ball a little forward of the expected path of the cue ball. If you don't hit that ball with the cue ball back a little but do hit it with the cue ball close, you are fouling with the cue ball close. Alternatively, set up the camera for a better view, like along the perpendicular to the path of the OB and on the other side.
Certainly a much harder call on this one. Because of the direction of the cue ball starting out, I most likely would not call this one a foul. A more knowledgeable / trained ref might still rule this one a foul.
Dang it, Bob. You and your right answers taking all the fun out of the conversation.
I agree with you. Still a foul based on the CB’s initial path. It does draw back in the second video, but for a split second before the draw takes you can see that the CB is pushed through the tangent line.For context, this was not my match, but a teammate’s match. My teammate was the one shooting the 8. I was 100% sure she was going to foul, but she actually hit an absolutely perfect soft nip masse type shot and avoided the foul. I set the shot up after and couldn’t hit it without fouling. Funny thing is, NOBODY on either team saw anything wrong with the shots I was shooting and were completely confused when I told them I was fouling the CB. Including the girl who just hit the shot legally!
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