League pool

[Colormegone2002]

Different leagues have different payouts. You should just ask the league operator about the payout structure and then based on the number of people in the league just do the math. But as stated, this is a business. Depending on the league. If the room is running the league, they directly benefit from the business so they might offer a more liberal payout but when a 3rd party runs the league then their fee for running the league is usually higher, some leagues won't even pay any money back unless you make it to their national tournament.. Each league can be different but also offer different benefits.

Yes. I said when you huys have your playoffs last week,what does the winning team get?

He says "Nothing". I said why even play then,it's not like he's driving around the corner to

play. It's 45 miles twice a week, 1 way! No thanks, I said your LO must be doing very well.

 

[Colormegone2002]

Everybody who runs leagues is in a secret club. The members all meet quarterly at the island in the Caribbean they own jointly to drink and party and laugh at all the suckers who haven't caught on yet....

HAHAAA ,good one! Almost as funny as fargorate.lol

 

[bad_hit]

Yes. I said when you huys have your playoffs last week,what does the winning team get?

He says "Nothing". I said why even play then,it's not like he's driving around the corner to

play. It's 45 miles twice a week, 1 way! No thanks, I said your LO must be doing very well.

Jesus man, then just find a league closer to home.

Ask yourself, and be honest...are you really playing pool to make money? Or do you enjoy playing with or without it?

If you are really in it for the money then set up some games, put up your money, and make sure you win a lot more than you lose. Or get a lot better and play in top pro tournaments with lots of added money, you might even be able to cover the travel costs and a light dinner.

 

[Colormegone2002]

Our leagues cost $7.00 per week per player. We must drop quarters to play. For a 20 week season that is $140.00 total payout per person. At the end of the year we get prize money, Last year we finished 4th and I got $120.00 or so, it may have included some $5 or $10 dollar performance bonuses, I dont remember for sure but I think other team members got right around $100.00 each. Thats where our league fees go.

Now this sounds just fine

 

[DCS_SF]

For APA, some money goes to the national league, some money gets put aside to give back to some of the players(winners of tournaments, trips to vegas of Hawaii, etc). The rest goes to the operator, who paid to buy the franchise, pays to advertise, give kickbacks to starting new teams, sets schedules, does scoring, and puts up with everyone in the league who constantly whines and *****es :lol:.

It is a business. It doesn't cost that much to play and what you get in return is entertainment. If you feel like you can get the same fun without playing league then don't.

You aren't going to get rich running a league anymore than you'll go broke playing in one.

 

[Colormegone2002]

I run several BCA leagues and the first week of each season, players not only get the league bylaws in their packets, but also a copy of the payout structure and budget for that session. They know EXACTLY how much money is taken in and how much is paid out, and how much they are playing for. League operators put a lot of time and effort into their leagues and players should not expect a league operator to work for free.
Bars and pool rooms have to buy and maintain their tables, and that has a cost, as well. Many league players that I know think that should all come free to them. But here's the thing. If you don't pay any greens fees or table time, don't complain about the equipment. I'd rather pay for the equipment and be able to say something to a room or bar owner when the tables need to be recovered.
I pay out an average of 70-75 percent to my league players through cash paybacks and entries to Nationals.
I believe if I treat my league like a business and I treat my players (aka customers) fairly and honestly, and provide them with an enjoyable experience, they will continue to play in my league. If I treat the bar and pool room owners with respect, am consistent with my product and PAY them for the use of their equipment, I boost their business and we complement each other. Everybody, including the players, win in this scenario.

You could have my business for sure then. That's the way it should be

 

[TheBook]

Running a league may seem easy but it isn't and it takes a lot of time.

First you need to get enough teams.

Then you need a place for them to play. That may not be hard as the team usually has a place in mind.

Then you have to get the teams to submit their weekly dues and score sheets on time and most times they are behind in money, and publish the weekly stats.

After a few week many will drop out because of lack of interest as they aren't winning or getting playing time.

If you run a tournament you need to secure a place. If you have a lot of teams you may need to rent a hall and tables.

There are many opportunities to buy into a franchise. You should try it and then you will be able to sit back and relax on the beach as the money just keeps rolling in.

 

[Scott Lee]

Damn, Mike...now EVERYBODY'S gonna know! Don't give up the location of the island...it'll be our secret! LOL :rotflmao1:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Everybody who runs leagues is in a secret club. The members all meet quarterly at the island in the Caribbean they own jointly to drink and party and laugh at all the suckers who haven't caught on yet....

 

[Scott Lee]

As a former APA LO, I can tell you that everything you said here is spot on...with the exception of the last sentence. APA is a business, and a good one, if run correctly. I know too many to count APA LO's that became instant millionaires when they sold their league areas, and retired. Sadly, I wasn't one of those. :frown: :grin: That said, I did okay...I sold my league for $2000 a team. No other leagues out there can provide that kind of value for the owner/operator. Now, lots of folks think that league play should be all about money...others think it should be just playing for enjoyment.

There are many current APA LO's who manage 1000+ teams within their league areas. Those guys are all making north of $200K+. IMO, they deserve every penny they make. It takes a lot of effort to be a good league operator. Lazy ones rarely do anything with their leagues. Now, lastly...do I think APA should be the only league? Of course not...that's why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors...to each their own.

There is a reason why they are bigger than all the other leagues put together...some will call it marketing...some think it's a ripoff. It's entertainment. As in any franchise, I would like and want the parent company to market the crap out of my product, and I would certainly be contributing to that on a local level. In the end it's a business, that done right, for a long time, can make you a lot of money...and it's pool-related! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

For APA, some money goes to the national league, some money gets put aside to give back to some of the players(winners of tournaments, trips to vegas of Hawaii, etc). The rest goes to the operator, who paid to buy the franchise, pays to advertise, give kickbacks to starting new teams, sets schedules, does scoring, and puts up with everyone in the league who constantly whines and *****es :lol:.

It is a business. It doesn't cost that much to play and what you get in return is entertainment. If you feel like you can get the same fun without playing league then don't.

You aren't going to get rich running a league anymore than you'll go broke playing in one.

 

[Scott Lee]

Str8PoolMan...Mike was being completely serious (wink wink). You have to know the secret handshake to become a league operator!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

If you are being sarcastic, that's pretty funny.

If you're not, how do I become a league operator?

 

[Scott Lee]

Bill...I'm not sure, but it seems like you're centering your 'complaints' on the APA...correct me if I'm wrong. If it is the APA, then it's impossible that the winning team in any higher level tournament would get nothing. That's not how the league is structured. It may be winning entry to nationals or a special event tournament, but they win something. Some APA leagues pay huge prize money in the end of session, or end of league year tournaments. One APA LO that I know, paid out over $100,000 in cash, annually, just at the local level...and that was 25 years ago. All that aside...your friend travels to play league pool, because he WANTS to...nobody is holding a gun to his head! LOL

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Yes. I said when you huys have your playoffs last week,what does the winning team get? He says "Nothing". I said why even play then,it's not like he's driving around the corner to play. It's 45 miles twice a week, 1 way! No thanks, I said your LO must be doing very well.

 

[Scott Lee]

Greg...I sincerely doubt that one person owns, let alone, manages the whole state...and I highly question any APA LO making a million a year! Not possible my friend. :grin-square: Over the years, I've played in BCA, VNEA, USPPA, UPA and APA leagues, and enjoyed them all.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

From what I've heard the guy that runs the local APA in NJ runs most of the state & they tell me he makes 7 figures a year doing it. That's ludicrous to me if true.

I play in the UPA, much smaller in stature in my are compared to APA & TAP, but I enjoy it & it's strictly cash payouts at the end of every 15 week session. No BS money spent on trophies or patches. We also have in house league which I like because traveling could be a pain sometimes especially since our county is huge.

 

[onepocketron]

Depends on the league. BCA here $12 per week per person. $2 goes to the hall and league operator, rest is paid back to the players. Last year I think 1st place payed around $4,200 and second was $3,600. This is per team (5 man team). It used to be quite a bit more, but not as many teams playing now days as in the past.

 

[Colormegone2002]

Bill...I'm not sure, but it seems like you're centering your 'complaints' on the APA...correct me if I'm wrong. If it is the APA, then it's impossible that the winning team in any higher level tournament would get nothing. That's not how the league is structured. It may be winning entry to nationals or a special event tournament, but they win something. Some APA leagues pay huge prize money in the end of session, or end of league year tournaments. One APA LO that I know, paid out over $100,000 in cash, annually, just at the local level...and that was 25 years ago. All that aside...your friend travels to play league pool, because he WANTS to...nobody is holding a gun to his head! LOL

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

You're right Scott, I haven't seen anyone with a gun lol. Just different strokes I guess.

 

[ctyhntr]

Scott,

I played APA Bergen county. For the Gold/Tri Cup, tournament that gives you a shot at winning a trip to Las Vegas Nationals, it was hosted over a weekend in a casino in Atlantic City My understanding was several of the NJ APA league operators banded together. So, maybe the OP played in this tournament, saw all the different counties and assumed it was owned by a single entity.

When I was co-captain, I had to collect $110 by end of the night for Double Jeopardy. Here was the breakdown
$35 per team (5 matches) for APA 8-ball
$40 per team (5 matches) for APA 9-ball
$35 per team, house green fees

Living in NYC, I feel that I have plenty of league choices APA, NAPL, MAPL, BCA and ACS sanctioned, along with 8-ball, 9-ball, 14.1 and scotch doubles. The APA owner of Brooklyn/Queens/Bronx reportedly had nearly 500 teams participating in his leagues.

Greg...I sincerely doubt that one person owns, let alone, manages the whole state...and I highly question any APA LO making a million a year! Not possible my friend. :grin-square: Over the years, I've played in BCA, VNEA, USPPA, UPA and APA leagues, and enjoyed them all.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

 

[Scott Lee]

Henry...That NYC APA LO is Andy Segal, the trick shot champion. 500 teams is a very good self-sustaining team count. His take from that is likely in the neighborhood of $100-150K. Good for him! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Scott,

I played APA Bergen county. For the Gold/Tri Cup, tournament that gives you a shot at winning a trip to Las Vegas Nationals, it was hosted over a weekend in a casino in Atlantic City My understanding was several of the NJ APA league operators banded together. So, maybe the OP played in this tournament, saw all the different counties and assumed it was owned by a single entity.

When I was co-captain, I had to collect $110 by end of the night for Double Jeopardy. Here was the breakdown
$35 per team (5 matches) for APA 8-ball
$40 per team (5 matches) for APA 9-ball
$35 per team, house green fees

Living in NYC, I feel that I have plenty of league choices APA, NAPL, MAPL, BCA and ACS sanctioned, along with 8-ball, 9-ball, 14.1 and scotch doubles. The APA owner of Brooklyn/Queens/Bronx reportedly had nearly 500 teams participating in his leagues.

 

[Banks]

Henry...That NYC APA LO is Andy Segal, the trick shot champion. 500 teams is a very good self-sustaining team count. His take from that is likely in the neighborhood of $100-150K. Good for him! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

For having to put up with close to 4000 players on a regular basis, that should be the starting pay. My matches are $8 each.. whoopie. They keep stats, play is free and there could be extra (playoffs, vegas, etc). People always need something to cry about.

 

[Jeff Rosen]

I have a friend that plays league every week and I try to ask him a few questions about it

but he's new at it. Where does all the money go that is made from league play?

I know this has probably been discussed but I hate searching and if no one wants

to answer,that's fine. It just seems like a lot of money is being made but it damn sure

doesn't seem to be the players that are making it. Where does that money go?

I apologize if this hits people the wrong way, I'm just wondering is all. Seems like

cash leagues would be the way to go but, maybe not?

I am in three leagues, an APA league on barboxes in bars, an NAPL league in a poolroom, and an in-house 14.1 league in another poolroom. The APA is $25 annual to the APA and only $70 for the season. The NAPL is $25 a match. Table time would probably be about $20 for the same time. The straight pool league is $200 for the whole season, about half a year which is probably about $10 a match. It's in-house and makes their money on food and drinks. The NAPL and the 14.1 gives an hour of practice before the start times. The NAPL and 14.1 gives back a nice chunk to the winners and the APA gives a trip to Vegas. So I don't mind paying. I like the idea of playing many different opponents rather than just friends and family.

 

[sbpoolleague]

Where does the money go? Excellent question. One which every player in every league SHOULD have access to the answer, if they want one.

Each season I put an itemized budget up on our website which details where every penny goes. Included with the budget is the payout structure for teams and individuals.

In my 15 years running our league I have received no complaints or questions about money. Openness is the key.

 

[lorider]

Where does the money go? Excellent question. One which every player in every league SHOULD have access to the answer, if they want one.

Each season I put an itemized budget up on our website which details where every penny goes. Included with the budget is the payout structure for teams and individuals.

In my 15 years running our league I have received no complaints or questions about money. Openness is the key.

Why ? Why should any business give an itemized list of where the money goes. ?

Do you ask where the money goes if you go bowling ?

Do you ask where the money goes if you go golfing. ?

Do you ask where the money goes if you go to the movies.?

I guess the term ...cheap ass pool players ... Is really deserved .