league sandbaggers vs hustlers

[Spider1]

My post wasn't meant to be about sandbagging though, it's about the nature of the deceitfulness of the sandbagger and hustler, and my inability to understand how these lowlifes are viewed differently. and my opinion has not changed.

The difference is no one is forced to play the "hustler", they only play one because they themselves think they are hustling someone. The sandbagger is playing people forced to play him/her in a league and assuming the handicap system is legit. It's cheating, plain and simple.


I don't see why the difference isn't obvious.

 

[justadub]

There is a world that exists beyond this forum and has for many many years before the internet existed. The low life hustler who steals from drunks, kids and non players has never been one of respect and certainly not glorified. The silly small time stories guys like to tell on here of, "A guy went into a bar etc. etc. etc.", are pretty much just people wanting to participate in the conversation on the forum. I would not read much into it.

These stories are told by many of the most esteemed personalities on this forum. Oft times about some of the more famous players of the last 40 years....

On top of the type of stories you refer to.

I remain convinced that the hustle is glorified here on AZB.

Revered, even.

 

[Goose1972]

My silly opinions? Yeah, I guess nearly 7 1/2 years of APA, half of them running teams, going to Vegas for singles 3 times(twice for myself) and moving up through the ranks through hard work makes my opinions silly. Congrats on all of your achievements, the pool hall of fame awaits, I wish I played APA in oregon sounds like it's run much better there I'm glad that you're here to explain things to me. But you don't play in my League town or state, how many teams make up your franchise area in Oregan??? I believe we have over 100 teams in Manhattan, and probably the same if not more in the Brooklyn Queens area, so your opinion on my game versus a guy you've never met and a game you never saw, in a division your thousands of miles away from and what his ranking is is pretty irrelevant to me. . People that cry about handicaps are a dime a dozen. One of my friends playing down the block from where I was at came over to tell me about a player he was watching that had better cue ball control, better shot-making skill and better defensive moves than myself(a low/mid 7/9).. so I asked what his name was. He was a 5/6 that I'd have to give up a decent spot to, if they'd even care to gamble with me - I've played them plenty of times. You're babbling here is confusing If you beat a sandbagging 6 that played as a 4, that means you must be a sandbagger, too. :thumbup: I lost to the sandbagging 4, who played like a 6, and took his time getting there??? test.. testing... Is this thing on.

I've seen a 3 break and run. He's also dogged balls in front of the pocket. That doesn't mean that he's a 5 or 6. I'd be more than happy to lay heavy odds on him not doing it again. I don't know how many players that should run out a rack haven't been able to when needed, that's just how things work and sometimes they work in their favor instead of against. It still doesn't mean that the rating is off. I agree

Once again this has nothing to do with my thread, sandbagging exists, hustlers exist. It seems people here say sandbaggers bad, hustlers good.

I would appreciate it if we could stick to the topic, as opposed to yelling about other things like the poster is a big crybaby.

I deal with sandbaggers twice a week, and continue to do so. i just dont know why people here demonize them and glorify hustlers. There both a low filthy shitty form of life.

It also appears to me that the people who are offended by this statement are most likely the sandbaggers and hustlers and personally attacking me here. Don't lash out at me because your a filthy cheating liar who really has nothing positive to offer to this world .

 

[Goose1972]

The difference is no one is forced to play the "hustler", they only play one because they themselves think they are hustling someone. The sandbagger is playing people forced to play him/her in a league and assuming the handicap system is legit. It's cheating, plain and simple.


I don't see why the difference isn't obvious.

so the hustler is our hero????? i really dont get what you are saying.

who's forcing anyone to play a sandbagger? it's pool whether league or for money we're all playing a game at our free will.

the sandbagger plays below his ability until he has to

the hustler plays below his ability until he has to

how are these different, there both scoundrels, weasles, who deserve to be taught a lesson off of the table.

 

[Goose1972]

I think what you are asking is impossible. When in a handicapped league people play the handicap game as well as the pool game. If you want to play pool and only play pool then you must not have any other games going on simultaneously.

Dave

i read this ten times, and I have no idea what you are saying.

 

[Banks]

I would appreciate it if we could stick to the topic, as opposed to yelling about other things like the poster is a big crybaby.

I deal with sandbaggers twice a week, and continue to do so. i just dont know why people here demonize them and glorify hustlers. There both a low filthy shitty form of life.

It also appears to me that the people who are offended by this statement are most likely the sandbaggers and hustlers and personally attacking me here. Don't lash out at me because your a filthy cheating liar who really has nothing positive to offer to this world .[/COLOR]

Yeah, I've worked my way up from somebody who played in a bar a few times over the previous few years, to a 7/9 after several years of APA. Yeah, I'm a big cheater and a liar. I'm thinking that the last sentence is you imposing your view of yourself onto the rest of the world. Deal with sandbaggers twice a week.. give me a break. Yeah, you go for fun.. must be a freakin blast playing pool with somebody like you. I'll stick with spotting my friends a skill level when we practice, instead of wasting time listening to a know-it-all that thinks they'll "tell me how it is".

You know why some people never improve? Because they're too busy making excuses. How long have you been that rating?

 

[Jaday]

Once again this has nothing to do with my thread, sandbagging exists, hustlers exist. It seems people here say sandbaggers bad, hustlers good.

I would appreciate it if we could stick to the topic, as opposed to yelling about other things like the poster is a big crybaby.

I deal with sandbaggers twice a week, and continue to do so. i just dont know why people here demonize them and glorify hustlers. There both a low filthy shitty form of life.

It also appears to me that the people who are offended by this statement are most likely the sandbaggers and hustlers and personally attacking me here. Don't lash out at me because your a filthy cheating liar who really has nothing positive to offer to this world .

Who's lashing out?

 

[Goose1972]

I stand corrected, you never insult people or get defensive.

Miss DD, i've posted like 20 different times and that's all you can find 4 quotes, there's nothing there that's overly defensive or mean from what I can tell. you are a very sensitive young lass. i'll give you the picture, very cute. but i thought you were older.

you're the tool comming on here, saying you thought you didn't like me, and now you know. blah blah, or was that, the high road??? mommy never paid you much attention???? daddy paid you too much attention????

thanks for doing anything but disgussing this. where should I send the green magical wishes too????


once again,

why do we criminalize sandbaggers, but turn hustlers into heroes??


they should all be beaten half to death, and left to be eaten by vultures.

 

[Goose1972]

Who's lashing out?

Right?? Is it me, or is this chick out of control??

 

[Goose1972]

Yeah, I've worked my way up from somebody who played in a bar a few times over the previous few years, to a 7/9 after several years of APA. Yeah, I'm a big cheater and a liar. I'm thinking that the last sentence is you imposing your view of yourself onto the rest of the world. Deal with sandbaggers twice a week.. give me a break. Yeah, you go for fun.. must be a freakin blast playing pool with somebody like you. I'll stick with spotting my friends a skill level when we practice, instead of wasting time listening to a know-it-all that thinks they'll "tell me how it is".

You know why some people never improve? Because they're too busy making excuses. How long have you been that rating?

I've been the rating for 5 long years, and as soon as im a 7 i'll be able to die a happy man like you, but what does my rating have to do with the people I play, or my ability to tell when someone is dogging shots and stretching out innings????

I didnt say you were a cheater. You might be on steroids though. Can't wait for the hall of fame invite, unless you get banned due to the steroid thing people have been talking about.

 

[Banks]

I've been the rating for 5 long years, and as soon as im a 7 i'll be able to die a happy man like you, but what does my rating have to do with the people I play, or my ability to tell when someone is dogging shots and stretching out innings????

I didnt say you were a cheater. You might be on steroids though. Can't wait for the hall of fame invite, unless you get banned due to the steroid thing people have been talking about.

Were you born stupid, or did you work at it?

Maybe you should read what I write, before coming off with some assinine remark. I said that people that make the most excuses are usually the ones that don't improve(or do so the slowest). You reinforced that by saying you've been the same rating "for 5 long years". I'll die a happy man, but it won't have anything to do with any rating. I improve by not making excuses. And yes, you said I was a cheater and a liar. Steroids.. yeah.. do they come in beer or whiskey flavor? :thumbup: Ooohh.. Kamui steroids!

 

[macguy]

Once again this has nothing to do with my thread, sandbagging exists, hustlers exist. It seems people here say sandbaggers bad, hustlers good.

I would appreciate it if we could stick to the topic, as opposed to yelling about other things like the poster is a big crybaby.

I deal with sandbaggers twice a week, and continue to do so. i just dont know why people here demonize them and glorify hustlers. There both a low filthy shitty form of life.

It also appears to me that the people who are offended by this statement are most likely the sandbaggers and hustlers and personally attacking me here. Don't lash out at me because your a filthy cheating liar who really has nothing positive to offer to this world .

Your thread? The conversation can go where ever the posters take it, that is how a forum works. What a weird guy.

 

[cuesmith]

asides from my crying which is apparent, for I am a victim who has been scarred, I should avenge this somehow, apparently i can't in pool as he is a 4, so i should take matters into my own hands. i am in the apa, I love making friends, playing pool and having fun, but i don't like being f-ed with. play your game stop wasting my time.

but in reagrds to the post itself

I was just trying to make a theoretical comparison of sandbaggers to hustlers. as many ignorant people here seem to think a run in with a pro or a real hustler who robbed someone makes for a good story, perhaps these league sandbaggers are heros as well, and we should be posting stories of how a 70 year old 4 on an oxygen tank, got the best of me in a league match. oh my hero!! you all act like a bunch of school girls when a big name pro steals from someone. and try and justify it by saying these people deserve it becasue their really trying to do the hustling. the hustle occurs when someone hides there speed as sandbaggers do.

If this bothers you, you have no business playing in a pool league! It's not hustling to sandbag in a pool league. Most of the leagues require the players to sandbag if they want to keep their teams together, by incorporating the "23 RULE".

It sounds like YOU just don't like the fact that someone with a little skill at pool can make you their *****, so you think you should break his thumbs. Of course first, you come on here trying to enlist some help to hold the guy down so you can break his thumbs. Gee it'd be funny if you jumped bad and no one stood up with you and the guy gave you a little whooping next. lol

If you don't like getting beat by other players, either get better or find a smaller & smaller pond to swim in until you're the big fish.

I'm just sayin'......

 

[DaveK]

i read this ten times, and I have no idea what you are saying.

Oh well. Good luck with your league.

Dave

 

[Banks]

You know why some people never improve? Because they're too busy making excuses. How long have you been that rating?

I've been the rating for 5 long years, and as soon as im a 7 i'll be able to die a happy man like you, but what does my rating have to do with the people I play, or my ability to tell when someone is dogging shots and stretching out innings?

Goose, go ahead and play for a while without letting the excuses get the best of you. It can be tough to swallow a little pride or to think that maybe the other person just got lucky, but it'll be the best for your game. The sooner you take charge of the situation, the more you'll focus on your own game. Instead of seeing that 4 as a potential 6, you'll be the 6 wondering why somebody wasted a 4 on you. Do it or don't, it's obviously your choice. As I told you, one of my friends did that for years and stagnated until he started to change his thinking. He still thinks about sandbaggers, but he's taken much more responsibility for his own game and it has shown. Be the guy that gets better.. you can't attack knowledge and expect it to submit, you must accept it and use it.

I can get into a pissing match as quickly as anyone, but I enjoy pool, I enjoy playing league and I believe that most players want to improve. Have a good weekend.

 

[dr9ball]

If you don't like sandbagging. You may want to try playing in a non handicapped league, like APA Masters or a scratch BCA league. It seems only a few players will play league without a handicap, but for those who do, there's a chance to improve faster in my opinion. You may loose a lot at first, but when you win, you win heads up. There isn't much that is better than that in my opinion.

 

[lorider]

I wish I had a chance to play more APA sandbaggers. Everyone keeps saying that the league is full of them, but I haven't run into anyone that is successfully keeping their skill level more than one level below what I gauge as their potential. Are teams not scoring right? are both scorekeepers doing shots at the bar instead of marking innings? Is he a new player that is still establishing his skill level?

Are there 7's that play as 3's for years? I really want to know, because it takes a lot of dedication to maintain a much lower skill level and I can't imagine that I would enjoy purposely shooting poorly just to game a system with relatively tiny payouts.

i say pretty much what you stated every time an apa bashing post comes along.

every time some one complains about losing to a sandbagger i think they just cannot accept they had a a bad night and their opponent had a good night.

i think the biggest difference between a s/l 5 and a s/l 7 is consistancy.

let me use myself as an example. i am a 5 in 8 ball and a 4 in 9 ball and i am the most inconsistant person you ever met. ther are days where the big guns in the league cant touch me and then there are days when i miss a straight in shot and have no idea of what cue ball position means lol.

take for example a 9 ball tournament i played in the other week with 1,000.00 for ist place. fri night i beat a 6 31-28 and beat a 7 31-30. the next day i lost to a 4 31-27, beat a 3 31-20 and lost to a 5 38-29. let me tell you i was trying just as hard sat as i did fri night but it just was not happening for me. there was 1,000.00 for 1st plus another 600 for 1st in the calcutta and believe me i was trying to win it but the focus just was not there sat like it was fri night.

if i could just stay consistant i would be a 7 instead of a 4 and a 5.

i am getting better at it though. i have 5 break and runs so far this month. 2 in 8 ball and 3 in 9 ball. in the 18 months i have been playing league i never had a break and run till this month.

i hope to continue on this path of improvement but i know old age will try to slow me down.

 

[foxcues]

sc5 is back.

 

[Goose1972]

Were you born stupid, or did you work at it? I Don't really think i'm stupid but I guess how would i know, when did you realize you were so wise?

Maybe you should read what I write, before coming off with some assinine remark. Maybe you should take your own advise genious. I said that people that make the most excuses are usually the ones that don't improve(or do so the slowest). You reinforced that by saying you've been the same rating "for 5 long years". Maybe i've played as much pool in 1 year as u have in 5. I'm happy with my game with the amount of effort I have put into it. I'll die a happy man, but it won't have anything to do with any rating. I improve by not making excuses. I'm not making excuses, I know my game, and i'm happy with it And yes, you said I was a cheater and a liar. Steroids.. yeah.. do they come in beer or whiskey flavor? :thumbup: Ooohh.. Kamui steroids! i was just joking, im sure you're really not that good, when will you be on espn next? i'll dvr it.

p.s. to everyone. this thread as i have tried to reiterate a number of times, is not about sandbagging, although i have been a victim, apparently sandbagging is a necesary evil to some in playing pool, whether league pool, any tournament pool, or gambling pool, where you gain the upper hand by deceiving your speed to benefit at a later time.

my question still and has been throughout, league/tournament sandbaggers are not mythical creatures, they exist, as do hustlers, both are pretty similar in my eyes, why does it seem many people here, think hustlers are cool, and sandbaggers are just @ssholes. thank you for your time. i hope this clears things up i apologize for any confusion.

 

[Goose1972]

Your thread? The conversation can go where ever the posters take it, that is how a forum works. What a weird guy.

what are you the hall monitor?? Shut IT!!!!!! I am THE CREATOR, you wouldn't have been able to post your silly little comment here if it wasn't for me. Go make your own Thread, about Thread etiquette, which you apparently have none of!!!! Stick with the topic..