Leagues? why not help sponser the pro's???

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Trent

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so all you league people out there would you pay a extra 2 dollars on your sanction fees to help sponser the pro tour???

Just 2 dollars??? so lets say that every league APA BCA and VNEA and every other league all up their sanction fees 2 dollars would you be upset??? i dought it, especially if it went to the pros can you imagine how much more money would be in pool!!

lets say theres 200,000 league players out there just a number off the top of my head ok dont go hitting me with stats or anything im just talking here ok. anyways that would produce 400,000 dollars for the pro tour and help sponser the game!!

Dee Adkins and I were yalking about this today and it really makes since! so lets here it

would you pay extra money to sponser the pros ????

if no why?

and who do we need to talk to, in order to get this done?
 
Trent said:
so all you league people out there would you pay a extra 2 dollars on your sanction fees to help sponser the pro tour???
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Good idea if you can get people to do it, that being give $2.00.

Just 2 dollars??? so lets say that every league APA BCA and VNEA and every other league all up their sanction fees 2 dollars would you be upset??? i dought it, especially if it went to the pros can you imagine how much more money would be in pool!!
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So why don't the Pro go after their own sponsors like other athletes?

lets say theres 200,000 league players out there just a number off the top of my head ok dont go hitting me with stats or anything im just talking here ok. anyways that would produce 400,000 dollars for the pro tour and help sponser the game!!
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With the 200,000 you talk about why are the League Owners/Operators not going after Corporate America for Sponsorships, as Pool Player are already Supporting Corporate America. Each time we spend our GREEN.

Dee Adkins and I were yalking about this today and it really makes since! so lets here it

would you pay extra money to sponser the pros ????

if no why?
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Don't play league, have a favorite charity I support monthly.


and who do we need to talk to, in order to get this done?
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What product do you buy on a regular basis, start with those company who don't support Pool, and make money from Pool Players.
 
if we get a steady tour flowing that will make sponsers more willing to support the players, and bring diffrent sponsers out side the pool world at least we can hope and if you dont play league then this thread really isnt directed towards you.

theres players out there that go to a large tournament against the greatest players in the world and place 5th and end up being stuck 500 for the weekend because pool doesnt have enough sponsers or a solid tour thats continuous enough to give people the confidence to put more money into it.
 
Pool, and Pool Player have a in general BAD IMAGE, if you want Corporate America to throw their advertising, sponsorship dollar at Pool imho Pool needs to start with a image makeover, and a dress & conduct code for all players. Also all Pool imho need to be under one organization, so you have the strength of number.
 
I personally wouldn't have a problem with supporting pro pool but I think your idea of amateur organizations giving money to pro pool would not be well received. Let me explain. I know this isn't the best analogy but here it is. Do you love professional football? Would you like your sons high school football team regisration fee being raised so the Chicago Bears could have a raise. Didn't think so. I know some of this is lost due to the fact were comparing multimillion dollar football players to pro pool players who can barely make a living but maybe you can see how the average working man may not have much sympathy for some one who plays a game for a living. My suggestion, buy as many American made pool products as possible and get a petition going to espn
 
Our LO sponsors Kelly Fisher and has for the last year or so. Eva is a LO near here so she is probably doing well.

I for one wouldn't mind paying a little extra to help sponsor the WPBA, but that would come with the stipulation that the Carolina Classic came back.
 
Trent said:
so all you league people out there would you pay a extra 2 dollars on your sanction fees to help sponser the pro tour???

Just 2 dollars??? so lets say that every league APA BCA and VNEA and every other league all up their sanction fees 2 dollars would you be upset??? i dought it, especially if it went to the pros can you imagine how much more money would be in pool!!

lets say theres 200,000 league players out there just a number off the top of my head ok dont go hitting me with stats or anything im just talking here ok. anyways that would produce 400,000 dollars for the pro tour and help sponser the game!!

Dee Adkins and I were yalking about this today and it really makes since! so lets here it

would you pay extra money to sponser the pros ????

if no why?

and who do we need to talk to, in order to get this done?
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I agree. The APA has been lining their own pockets for decades. I think they should match the $2.00 the player/members kick in and maybe then we could fund a pro tour.
 
I play in BCA and APA leagues, and I would be highly offended if either league demanded an extra $2.00 per night from me to support a pro tour. For one thing, I don't care if a pro tour is ever established. Secondly, I wouldn't care if a "pro" player anywhere ever made another dime playing pool. Anti-pool you say? Not so, not at all. I love the game as much as anyone out there. I spend PLENTY of money supporting the industry as a whole. Just don't see the need for anyone to make money off of it (by playing it), or ANY professional sport as far as that goes. If you truly love the game, you would just be satisfied knowing that you are blessed with each and every opportunity you have to play it.

Leave the "little man" alone. If someone out there with money, lots of it, wants to blow it on "pro" poolplayers, more power to him. Just don't bust my chops for it!!!

Maniac
 
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I play in BCA and APA leagues, and I would be highly offended if either league demanded an extra $2.00 per night from me to support a pro tour. For one thing, I don't care if a pro tour is ever established. Secondly, I wouldn't care if a "pro" player anywhere ever made another dime playing pool. Anti-pool you say? Not so, not at all. I love the game as much as anyone out there. I spend PLENTY of money supporting the industry as a whole. Just don't see the need for anyone to make money off of it (by playing it), or ANY professional sport as far as that goes. If you truly love the game, you would just be satisfied knowing that you are blessed with each and every opportunity you have to play it.

Leave the "little man" alone. If someone out there with money, lots of it, wants to blow it on "pro" poolplayers, more power to him. Just don't bust my chops for it!!!

Maniac
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ok i said sanction fee not nightly fee it would be a once or twice a year thing big deal, and it wouldnt be for just supporting pro's but the game that we all love, the more we can strive to make pool a larger more profitable system the better off it will be in the future.

and your saying screw the people we aspire to play as good as, to hell with the people who have made the game what it is today right??


this is grose i thought posting here would get a better response than this and people wonder why pool is the way it is its due to people who dont give a damn about growing the industy even if it would only cost them the same amount of money they lose in the couch cushions each yr.
 
Trent said:
ok i said sanction fee not nightly fee it would be a once or twice a year thing big deal, and it wouldnt be for just supporting pro's but the game that we all love, the more we can strive to make pool a larger more profitable system the better off it will be in the future.

and your saying screw the people we aspire to play as good as, to hell with the people who have made the game what it is today right??


this is grose i thought posting here would get a better response than this and people wonder why pool is the way it is its due to people who dont give a damn about growing the industy even if it would only cost them the same amount of money they lose in the couch cushions each yr.
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Excuse me Trent, did I use the words "screw" or "to hell with" in my post??? Don't put words like this in my mouth if you don't mind. And please, may I have an opinion even if it is NOT the same as yours??? I can tell you this: News Flash......pocket billiards in this country is NOT going away, with or without a "pro" tour (heck, most organizations can't even agree on the criteria/qualifications of what a "professional" poolplayer is).

Like Neil already said, most league players wouldn't know who Shane Van Boening was, so you think pool is going to suffer without a "pro" tour? Hardly!!!

Maniac
 
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and your saying screw the people we aspire to play as good as, to hell with the people who have made the game what it is today right??
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Another thing.......you think everyone that plays the game "aspires" to be as good as a pro? Not likely. Probably not even a large percentage if I were to guess.

Maniac
 
To start with I will proudly admit to being the League Operator for the USAPL in North New Jersey so it might be said I am biased.



The USAPL does donate to a professional pool fund. 50 cents from every players weekly fees is set aside for professional pool be it added monies to tournament or performance fees.


It comes from their end so its not an give us a extra 50cents so gotta support that at leasr.

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I got numbers from a high ranking member of the APA the other day stating that between the APA and CPA they have 270,000 members, that would be over a half million. I'm sure between the BCA, VNEA and TAP you would be twice as high total. Sounds like a really good idea to me. Although I agree that alot of the recreational league players don't follow the pro's......but I think that is mostly becausen they are not easily exposed to it.
 
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this is gross i thought posting here would get a better response than this and people wonder why pool is the way it is its due to people who don't give a damn about growing the industry even if it would only cost them the same amount of money they lose in the couch cushions each yr.
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Seriously, it sounds like you're advocating a tax on pool to support the professional players. Ever notice the $2 donation they ask for on the Federal Tax forms that goes to the Presidential re-election campaign?

We don't need another welfare state. If people want to help support a pro player let them do it individually. Personally I would like to see more people support the local players and room owners by playing in tournaments and practicing in the local rooms. That would in my opinion help stimulate the economy.

Of course, opinions are held by most everyone and you're certainly entitled to support the pros how ever you see fit.
 
Please don't get the impression that I'm anti pro pool tour. Nothing could be further from the truth. Please look at my thread Why is there no Real pro tour? (sorry I don't know how to do links) I also posted on one of the wpba tour threads on here that I would be more than willing to pay up to $10 a month for an exclusive billiards channel. All I was saying is that I don't think taking money from amateur organizations to fund pro orgs is a good idea. By the way you can see how the relationship with Apa and Wpba is going. I like the point Neil made in this thread. True story- the other day I was playing league when I happened mention to my teammates that I had found some good pool videos on YouTube. I then said "man, I could watch Efren Reyes play all day." Seriously, there were crickets. Only 1 out of my 7 other teammates had any idea who Efren was. You're forgetting everyone on here is very passionate about pool, the majority of league players are a bunch of ballbangers who like getting together with their buds once a week and sucking down some cold beer. Nothing wrong with that.;)
 
ok so maybe i flew off the handle a touch but it is aggravating at times but what if it was only one dollar would the league players who do or dont know who the pros are care where it going? i mean seriously, would it be that big of a deal to give a couple dollars a yr to help out a pro tour???

all i was intrested in was venting a idea to try and help the sport out, im starting to feel sorry for mentioning it now.
 
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ok so maybe i flew off the handle a touch but it is aggravating at times but what if it was only one dollar would the league players who do or dont know who the pros are care where it going? i mean seriously, would it be that big of a deal to give a couple dollars a yr to help out a pro tour???

all i was intrested in was venting a idea to try and help the sport out, im starting to feel sorry for mentioning it now.
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Don't feel sorry about bringing this up at all. I love discissions like this! I feel your frustration, I really do. I'm glad we're discussing it on here, thereby giving it more exposure;)
 
its just frustrating hearing people Nit up over a couple dollars.

but you know what if a name like SVB or the black widow brought this up then people would be bending over backwards at this idea of spending a few dollars to help out.
 
How about this idea - pool players support a professional tour by paying to attend tournaments? This has proved a highly successful business model for all the other major sports.

I don't know why, but the fact seems to be that pool players simply do not support the professional game. I was at the Predator 10 ball event last May in Las Vegas where most of the world's best were competing right down the hall from thousands of league players there for a national tournament. There were usually not more than 30-40 people at the pro event sessions and probably only a few of these were from the league tournament down the hall. And keep in mind this event is happening in a hotel full of supposed serious pool players.

As I said, I have no idea why this is. Do pool players find it boring to watch pros play? I sure don't. Are we generally, as a population, nits and cheapskates? I'd like to not think so but...then what's the reason? I'm not smart enough to figure it out.

I just think the success of professional pool will ultimately depend on its ability to generate significant attendance. If the attendance numbers are there then and only then perhaps sponsors, TV, and the Olympics will follow. These three don't really care how many people play the game. They are way more interested in how many watch it.
 
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