Learn with an aiming system or not

one stroke said:
Since system is formed on the basis of principles, it often refers to a body or theory or practice relating to or prescribing a particular form of government or religion. Expressions such as ‘systems of philosophy’, ‘systems of political thought’ and the like are often heard due to the fact that system is characterized by principles.

Another important difference between method and system is that method is guided by mental activity whereas system is guided by logical activity. This is the reason why many mathematical problems are solved by different methods whereas philosophical and political problems are answered by different systems.

Method is based on procedure whereas system is based on plan. In other words it can be said that procedures determine methods. On the other hand plans determine systems (via jenna at dh inc). Thus the two words are characterized by minute differences between them.

Close but no cigar , CTE and Clock are systems simply aiming a cue is a method ,,
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lol - well for most folks method or system are understood in the context of the discussion. The CTE "method" is understood as easily as saying the CTE "system".

A good friend and writer said that when people get hung up on semantics they miss the point. People who seek to understand are sympathetic to context and meaning which allows them to get the point even when the language used was not precisely correct.

Conversing in context is a useful method to progress towards mutual understanding.

There are several books which lay out some systematic rules one can adopt in order to learn to listen in context instead of looking for nits to pick.
 
JB Cases said:
Method or system are completely interchangeable in the context we use them here.
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Well as pointed out there are differences although minute ,, because of the complexities of CTE and the simplicity of basically aim and shoot ,, I would say thier is a difference worthy of a different term ,,
However we could say both are systems and the method of shooting is with a pool stick :smile:


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JB Cases said:
There are several books which lay out some systematic rules one can adopt in order to learn to listen in context instead of looking for nits to pick.
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As well all know ALL TOO WELL, there has yet to be a powder, pill, or bath that's is successful in extermination of " NITS " from the pool world!!! Lololol First person to successfully develope a proven product will be an instant multi- millionaire ! 😆
 
JB Cases said:
lol - well for most folks method or system are understood in the context of the discussion. The CTE "method" is understood as easily as saying the CTE "system".

A good friend and writer said that when people get hung up on semantics they miss the point. People who seek to understand are sympathetic to context and meaning which allows them to get the point even when the language used was not precisely correct.

Conversing in context is a useful method to progress towards mutual understanding.

There are several books which lay out some systematic rules one can adopt in order to learn to listen in context instead of looking for nits to pick.
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The 2 terms have been debated for yrs and can also be used together I personally define the 2 by ease of use , in other words you use caulated methods to form a system , the application of the system could also be considered a method
There is no calculated method to shaft aiming it's simply a method using a pool stick to shoot a ball
That's my point of the conversation to get to a mutual understanding that CTE is more than a point and shoot method of play , your grouping the 2 as being the same and thier simply not anywhere near the same in real life


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gregcantrall said:
Pre shot routine is more important.

If you can find an instructor or coach that you trust, lessons and feed back from a coach will go a long way.
Getting bits and pieces of advice on this or any other forum, is not nearly as productive.

Establishing good habits in the beginning saves years of breaking bad habits you will fall into without a good coach.

If new players would take just $300 of the money they are going to spend on a fancy cue and get 6 $50 lessons. They would be years ahead of the curve created by self help and bits and pieces of advice from unknown entities on a forum.
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Great advice!

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one stroke said:
The 2 terms have been debated for yrs and can also be used together I personally define the 2 by ease of use , in other words you use caulated methods to form a system , the application of the system could also be considered a method
There is no calculated method to shaft aiming it's simply a method using a pool stick to shoot a ball
That's my point of the conversation to get to a mutual understanding that CTE is more than a point and shoot method of play , your grouping the 2 as being the same and thier simply not anywhere near the same in real life


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I think you have misunderstood what shaft aiming is. It's using the shaft to be an objective guide to get the shooter to the shot line by using the edges of the shaft to point to the edge or contact point on the OB through the CB.

Shooting is a separate task.
 
It's a system when it's being sold as a system.
IF it weren't a system, it wouldn't sell.

A method wouldn't take much to explain.
 
JoeyInCali said:
It's a system when it's being sold as a system.
IF it weren't a system, it wouldn't sell.

A method wouldn't take much to explain.
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Really? now we are gong to argue over the use of system and method?

This is why people leave AZB.

To the OP - you want to learn to play pool well.

Ok. Lots of people have put a lot of thought into how one should go about learning to play. You can find instructional material from the 1850s on up on how to play billiard sports.

EVERYONE has an opinion.

Your SPECIFIC question though pertains to Aiming Systems and the only reason you ask this question is because aiming systems exist and are a frequent topic of discussion.

Aiming systems are around because SOMEONE somewhere figured out a different way to aim and one that got better results.
 
JB Cases said:
Really? now we are gong to argue over the use of system and method?

This is why people leave AZB.

To the OP - you want to learn to play pool well.

Ok. Lots of people have put a lot of thought into how one should go about learning to play. You can find instructional material from the 1850s on up on how to play billiard sports.

EVERYONE has an opinion.

Your SPECIFIC question though pertains to Aiming Systems and the only reason you ask this question is because aiming systems exist and are a frequent topic of discussion.

Aiming systems are around because SOMEONE somewhere figured out a different way to aim and one that got better results.
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Excellent advice thank you all. I believe you answered my question. I will keep on practicing and be patient and im sure my aiming will get better. Just needed to hear it from some experienced people. Also I do practice my stroke and stance often. I figured out on my own that was my biggest problem.
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For those of you that are better players and still try to use an aiming system here is a shot I practice a lot.

Cue ball Frozen to the middle of the end tail, object ball 1/16" off the side rail at the second diamond near the same end rail.

Try Warping that shot in the far corner on a tight Diamond. Make it 5 times in a row. Now try it for 100 a game or more.

If you can barely get the tip on the cue ball what good is an aiming system.
Let your Subconscious mind do the work. It's a Super Computer.

Bill S.
 
Was Tom Brady using a system last night?

Does it have a name?

Are there systems to be used for every human performance?
 
duckie said:
Was Tom Brady using a system last night?
Does it have a name?
Are there systems to be used for every human performance?
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You're darn right he used a system there at the last to move his team down that field.
It's called "throw to the sidelines..get out of bounds and stop the clock".
Back in the stone ages, Unitas was the best at it and refined it into an art.
 
bstroud said:
For those of you that are better players and still try to use an aiming system here is a shot I practice a lot.
Cue ball Frozen to the middle of the end tail, object ball 1/16" off the side rail at the second diamond near the same end rail.
Try Warping that shot in the far corner on a tight Diamond. Make it 5 times in a row. Now try it for 100 a game or more.
If you can barely get the tip on the cue ball what good is an aiming system.
Let your Subconscious mind do the work. It's a Super Computer.
Bill S.
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An aiming system feeds positive, high percentage, information into that super computer called the subconscious mind. That's all an aiming system was ever meant to do.
It won't guarantee to make world beaters out of anyone....but (all things being equal)those who use a system of aiming have better odds of making that brutal shot you mention over those who don't.
"Estimating" is way down the line when compared with a methodical, planned, systematic approach.
 
bstroud said:
For those of you that are better players and still try to use an aiming system here is a shot I practice a lot.

Cue ball Frozen to the middle of the end tail, object ball 1/16" off the side rail at the second diamond near the same end rail.

Try Warping that shot in the far corner on a tight Diamond. Make it 5 times in a row. Now try it for 100 a game or more.

If you can barely get the tip on the cue ball what good is an aiming system.
Let your Subconscious mind do the work. It's a Super Computer.

Bill S.
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Ironically, bill S.,
The shot you described, only difference is the ob was at the 3rd diamond and the cue ball about 5 inches off the end rail, is the reason I asked this question. I lost my last match because I missed that same shot. Could be inexperience, nerves or who knows? I practiced that shot this weekend at least 120 times over and still at a 50% success rate. I know that if I gave myself better position off the last ball however I would've won. So there's many factors here.
Jb cases,
I'm not against using or learning an aiming system or method, I try to keep an open mind. I'm sure some pros use one, some don't or they may combine them with their own ways. I've gotten pretty far going by feel. How I gauge that statement is I can compete with and sometimes beat very good players, granted that is in the league I shoot in which I'm sure isn't a pro level league but, I made a lot of progress basically by constantly shooting, practicing with drills and basically getting my a** kicked to the point of tears! So if I hit a plateau that isn't where I want to be I may try a system. Having a natural feel or finesse about it is what I'm going to try first, it just appeals to me more. However, I may be wrong or maybe I need more time to figure it out I'm not sure because I've only been serious for about a year No matter who is right or wrong on this, I really do appreciate your desire to give advice and help me out! Thank you!
 
GoldenFlash said:
An aiming system feeds positive, high percentage, information into that super computer called the subconscious mind. That's all an aiming system was ever meant to do.
It won't guarantee to make world beaters out of anyone....but (all things being equal)those who use a system of aiming have better odds of making that brutal shot you mention over those who don't.
"Estimating" is way down the line when compared with a methodical, planned, systematic approach.
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A better chance , really ? Has that ever even been remotely proven ?

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Shawn Armstrong said:
If you don't have a straight stroke, and can't deliver the cue ball to the exact point you're in line with, you could have the most foolproof aiming system, and never make a ball.

Get a straight stroke first. Once you can consistently deliver the cue in a straight line, then learn how to aim. But one comes before the other.
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Aiming is easy the real challenge in pool is to deliver a straight stroke and stay down and follow thru. If you stay down and follow thru on every shot you will see you simply do not miss much.
 
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