Learnin' Along the Way

lfigueroa

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I would like to think that I am not the same player I was 10 or 20 years ago. Hell, I'd like to say I'm not the same player I was one year, or even just a few months ago. Things happen, you learn stuff, you make mistakes, you have successes, the game and your opponents teach you stuff about all that and most importantly, about yourself.

Reading a couple of recent threads here, made me think of the old adage, "Wisdom comes with age." Well, sometimes, methinks old age comes alone...

In another thread, there has been the suggestion that moving from one table to another for a challenge proposition was unfair. And perhaps, a few years ago while along the way in my own education as a pool player, I would have thought the same. But time, tribulations, and well, a small dose of that thing that sometimes comes with age, has made me a little more sanguine about taking issues such as these in stride.

Let me give you an illustration of just one incident that "educated" me:

Several years ago I was sweating a match at the DCC between the great Shannon Daulton and undercover uber agent, Jack Cooney. It was taking place in the chapel. After one particular game, Cooney took a bath/smoke break and Shannon began shooting balls on an adjacent vacant table. Cooney comes back and Shannon says something like, "Hope you don't mind, but the sun is comin' in through that window there and I thought it'd be better to move over one."

Now me, I'm a guy who tries to factor everything into a match like table speed, pocket tightness, rail bounce, humidity, and barometric pressure. I'm sitting in the stands thinking: no way -- against a great player like Shannon, when he's had a few minutes to check out the table, and the speed, and the pockets, and the rolls -- fergetaboutit.

Cooney looks at the table for just a second, pushes his glasses back a bit with one of his fingers like he does and says, "OK." And I sat in the stands and said to myself: Wow. That's the way it should be done.

Was changing the table for the challenge 1000% fair to earlier contestants? No. Was there any malicious intent on the part of the individual that made the decision? No. All that happen was that circumstances changed. The room was being locked up and was no longer available, not much difference than if the cloth got torn and another table needed to be put in use.

So that's it. We learn along the way, about the game and its complexities our opponents and about ourselves. And what seems unfair to some, is something some of us have learned not to worry about a long time ago.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Based on this post, I would say that somewhere through the years, a bit of that wisdom managed to find it's way to you.

Very nice post!
Steve
 
lfigueroa said:
I would like to think that I am not the same player I was 10 or 20 years ago. Hell, I'd like to say I'm not the same player I was one year, or even just a few months ago. Things happen, you learn stuff, you make mistakes, you have successes, the game and your opponents teach you stuff about all that and most importantly, about yourself.

Reading a couple of recent threads here, made me think of the old adage, "Wisdom comes with age." Well, sometimes, methinks old age comes alone...

In another thread, there has been the suggestion that moving from one table to another for a challenge proposition was unfair. And perhaps, a few years ago while along the way in my own education as a pool player, I would have thought the same. But time, tribulations, and well, a small dose of that thing that sometimes comes with age, has made me a little more sanguine about taking issues such as these in stride.

Let me give you an illustration of just one incident that "educated" me:

Several years ago I was sweating a match at the DCC between the great Shannon Daulton and undercover uber agent, Jack Cooney. It was taking place in the chapel. After one particular game, Cooney took a bath/smoke break and Shannon began shooting balls on an adjacent vacant table. Cooney comes back and Shannon says something like, "Hope you don't mind, but the sun is comin' in through that window there and I thought it'd be better to move over one."

Now me, I'm a guy who tries to factor everything into a match like table speed, pocket tightness, rail bounce, humidity, and barometric pressure. I'm sitting in the stands thinking: no way -- against a great player like Shannon, when he's had a few minutes to check out the table, and the speed, and the pockets, and the rolls -- fergetaboutit.

Cooney looks at the table for just a second, pushes his glasses back a bit with one of his fingers like he does and says, "OK." And I sat in the stands and said to myself: Wow. That's the way it should be done.

Was changing the table for the challenge 1000% fair to earlier contestants? No. Was there any malicious intent on the part of the individual that made the decision? No. All that happen was that circumstances changed. The room was being locked up and was no longer available, not much difference than if the cloth got torn and another table needed to be put in use.

So that's it. We learn along the way, about the game and its complexities our opponents and about ourselves. And what seems unfair to some, is something some of us have learned not to worry about along time ago.

Lou Figueroa

Thank you for this post. Maybe the best I've read.
 
Take a deep bow for an exceptional post, Lou. Pool and life are both about not sweating the small stuff and being able to handle the small bumps in the road, but this lesson is often learned very slowly.
 
One of the earliest stories I heard from the pool world involved Louie Roberts. To make a long story short - Louie was drilling this player on a table, set after set and the other player asked for a table change. Louie refused. So the other player took a big gulp & dumped it all over the table. They were forced to change tables, Louie lost.

Also, ask Chris Bartrum how he liked it when Carl changed the table?

Note: This is not in any way reference to the 1P challenge. I have said before the decision Jay made to move to the TV table & give all paid entrees a chance was more than fair & a good decision.
 
sour grapes taste bad

Very well put Lou, If you gamble like Jack does I doubt he even gave it a second thought. ( but was the sun REALLY shining on the first table? ) And all the guys that took a shot at Jay's "ghost"
should be thanking him profusely for giving them the chance.
Only whiners would make an issue out of his table change.
 
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pooltchr said:
Based on this post, I would say that somewhere through the years, a bit of that wisdom managed to find it's way to you.

Very nice post!
Steve

Thanks, Steve.

Lou Figueroa
 
sjm said:
Take a deep bow for an exceptional post, Lou. Pool and life are both about not sweating the small stuff and being able to handle the small bumps in the road, but this lesson is often learned very slowly.

Thanks, SJM -- you're right on th money about the small stuff...

Lou Figueroa
 
watchez said:
One of the earliest stories I heard from the pool world involved Louie Roberts. To make a long story short - Louie was drilling this player on a table, set after set and the other player asked for a table change. Louie refused. So the other player took a big gulp & dumped it all over the table. They were forced to change tables, Louie lost.

Also, ask Chris Bartrum how he liked it when Carl changed the table?

Note: This is not in any way reference to the 1P challenge. I have said before the decision Jay made to move to the TV table & give all paid entrees a chance was more than fair & a good decision.

Watchez, I agree that sometimes switching tables can make a huge difference. Like at the pool room in St. Louis where every table is a different make, the clothes all have different mileage on them and they've only got one or two tables covered with Simonis and the rest is ca-ca.

But at a place like the DCC, the effects of switching tables is probably as minimal an effect as you're gonna get.

Lou Figueroa
 
SJDinPHX said:
Very well put Lou, If you gamble like Jack does I doubt he even gave it a second thought. ( but was the sun REALLY shining on the first table? ) And all the guys that took a shot at Jay's "ghost"
should be thanking him profusely for giving them the chance.
Only whiners would make an issue out of his table change.

Thanks, SJD. And well actually, there was a ray of light shooting right in through one of those stained glass windows, so I think it was legit.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Watchez, I agree that sometimes switching tables can make a huge difference. Like at the pool room in St. Louis where every table is a different make, the clothes all have different mileage on them and they've only got one or two tables covered with Simonis and the rest is ca-ca.

But at a place like the DCC, the effects of switching tables is probably as minimal an effect as you're gonna get.

Lou Figueroa

Yes you are correct. I was comparing apples to oranges as I didn't think thru your post.

10 ball on a bar table this weekend in St Louis. You playing?
 
watchez said:
Yes you are correct. I was comparing apples to oranges as I didn't think thru your post.

10 ball on a bar table this weekend in St Louis. You playing?


No, just got back from a week-long trip.

Lou Figueroa
 
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