Learning from tournament experiences...

justadub

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A couple of disclaimers, up front. This will likely be long (I'm like that), so I apologize up front. And this is referring to an APA tournament (though I suspect it would apply in general terms) so if anything regarding APA offends your sensibilities, this is your warning. :p

I got to play in our end-of-session Best of the Best tournament yesterday, 9-ball version. Here in our territory, you have to finish in the top 20 in your division, in winning percentage, in order to qualify for this tournament. It is a $20 entry, all money paid out, the number of places based on the number of entrants. It isn't divided by Skill Level, so everyone plays everyone, depending on where you were drawn in the bracket. (Blind draw, of course.) We play matches based on our skill level, just as we would during league play, though there is no accounting for innings, as the scores aren't reported. You just have to score the required amount for your Skill Level before the other guy does.

I have been fortunate enough to play in a couple of these over my short 2 and a half years of playing pool. So I'm not completely new to the experience, though I am still "new" as far as "being experienced", if that makes any sense. I ate reasonably, and nursed 2 beers over the course of 8 hours, so I handled all of that part pretty well, imho.

As we are fairly remote, and in the northern "half" of our LO's territory, we only draw from 5 divisions in 9-ball, currently. Still, that means there are 100 players qualified and invited. We had 22 show up for this tournament. The Skill Levels varied from SL2 to SL8, with the bulk being SL4's and SL5's. (I'm an SL4.)

I got what I considered a pretty favorable draw, with more of the "better" players (by my estimation) on the other half of the bracket. (Still, all of these players made it to the top 20 in their divisions, so they had to play well enough to win some matches.) As a result, I made it fairly deep into the winners side. I got knocked to the other side by an SL5 who was pretty good, though he was having a bad game of it, early on. Problem was, I was, too. Still, I managed to hang in, and had a chance to win, if I had closed out a run. It was right there for me, all I had to do was execute. Sigh. Missed opportunity.

Then I had to wait. Turned out that I was going to get the winner of the one SL8 and the one SL7, who had both somehow gotten bumped over to the other side of the bracket. (Probably one sent the other there, only to be followed later in the bracket.) I wasn't freaked out, much, and kind of looking forward to it. I had no illusions that I was going in likely to win, but looking to give them a good match and see what happened.

The SL8 won. He is regarding pretty highly around the state, certainly one of the better players we have, make the trip to nationals most every year, either singles, doubles, teams or some combination. I confess, as we started, I think I let that fact get to me some, as he was running balls effortlessly. (That was fun to watch. It was a strange feeling, watching your opponent scoring so much, so often, so seeming easily. I smiled watching it.)

Still, I went in and got what I could, when I could. Picked away, made a couple few ball runs. I was shocked when the score keeper told me we were down to about 5 or 6 points away, each of us. (For those who don't know, an SL4 has to get to 31 before an SL8 has to get to 65.) Now I started thinking, probably too much. We trade a few, and he made a surprisingly unexpected error, and left me an open shot on the 3. Of course, I overthought it, and tried to get too fancy for position on the 4, and screwed it up. That was it.

I finished tied for 5th, and got my entry fee back, plus a little. I was the last person from my division in the bracket. I told myself, that I played well much of the time, and learned some stuff, as well. Now comes the hard part. Stopping myself from being too disappointed and upset with myself for letting the opportunity slip away. And how to really "learn" from it. How to manage myself and my game better, so that I don't do that again.

We don't have actual "tournaments" here very often. So as much as I would like to jump back in and try again, it's not likely, right away. No, I'm not interested in gambling, for a variety of reasons. I simply want to learn how to execute and minimize my mistakes.

That's it. I did have a great time, and I did play well for some stretchs as well. I hope others can have as good a time as I did. And I hope that I really can "learn" from it.

Missed opportunites, darn it!
 
As a skill level 9, I am surprised by how many low shooters give up before the match even starts. You need to be confident and shoot each shot like you should win the match. Never be surprised that you are in a position to win, expect to be in that position.
 
As a skill level 9, I am surprised by how many low shooters give up before the match even starts. You need to be confident and shoot each shot like you should win the match. Never be surprised that you are in a position to win, expect to be in that position.

Absolutely! I am guilty, guilty, guilty. :grin:

Fortunately, I didn't let it continue the whole match. It was in the back of my mind, as I went to rack (again and again) that he had a long way to go.

I actually have found I like not knowing the score, at least till the end. Just focus on the table.

To my opponents credit (like he needs any additional, heh) he had to have played at least 7 or 8 matches by this point, having to give up spots every time. Big spots, most matches. And still he ran. And ran. It truly was fun to be a part of, and that's part of what aggravated me, that I still had a chance at him, regardless of how well he shoots. The handicap seems to work fairly well, at least around here, but that is a different thread. PLEASE be a different thread :p
 
As a skill level 9, I am surprised by how many low shooters give up before the match even starts. You need to be confident and shoot each shot like you should win the match. Never be surprised that you are in a position to win, expect to be in that position.

Exactly...as the lower player, you don't want to play a much higher rated one every day, but you WILL win some of the matches, provided you try!
 
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As a skill level 9, I am surprised by how many low shooters give up before the match even starts. You need to be confident and shoot each shot like you should win the match. Never be surprised that you are in a position to win, expect to be in that position.

Yeah, it's like a gift when people give up on you. When they make you work for it, that's when you've got a fighter on your hands and, in immortal words of Lenny Kravitz, it ain't over til it's over. A 7 got a good start the other day, I came back and then dogged my last ball, only to have him run his last needed points out.. it happens when you don't give up. I always tell players when they're getting frustrated and not playing well, "just keep shooting."
 
Sounds like you had fun and certainly learned from it. That is the important thing. Analyze what you did wrong and learn from it. You're on your way !
 
Personally, in APA matches, I'd always rather be getting spotted balls than me doing the spotting. I always feel like "if" I shoot my game, I can hang with a lot of the higher skill-level players. You just gotta be able to fade the fact that they're going to run several (give or take) racks on you.

Anyway, nice finish justadub!!!

Maniac
 
Personally, in APA matches, I'd always rather be getting spotted balls than me doing the spotting. I always feel like "if" I shoot my game, I can hang with a lot of the higher skill-level players. You just gotta be able to fade the fact that they're going to run several (give or take) racks on you.

Anyway, nice finish justadub!!!

Maniac

Thanks!

As a famous philosopher once said, "90% of this game is half mental"

(Or something like that. :p )
 
Thanks!

As a famous philosopher once said, "90% of this game is half mental"

(Or something like that. :p )

You New Englanders better watch that! It was Yogi Berra that coined that one -- a New York Yankee. :p

Seriously though, I think you got some great responses thus far. I agree with Dave S. (cookie man) -- a lot of my lower-skill-level opponents psyche themselves out before the match even begins. The only cure for getting past the "ohhhh, he/she's an '8' or '9' [or what-have-you]; if I mess up, he/she's going to have me for lunch" thing, is to just continue to do it. And do it when you *least want to* do it -- i.e. it's sprung upon you to do so.

After a while, the "shock factor" of this just goes away. You learn to see that it's only you and the table; not you and the opponent. Just focus on "owning" the table, and the guy seated in the chair can never hurt you.

I know, "it's easier said than done." Too bad there's such a great distance between our two locations. I'd welcome the opportunity to get together, to give you as many opportunities as possible of getting hit hard, to build up those mental callouses, to prepare you for those regional matches.

-Sean
 
You New Englanders better watch that! It was Yogi Berra that coined that one -- a New York Yankee. :p

Seriously though, I think you got some great responses thus far. I agree with Dave S. (cookie man) -- a lot of my lower-skill-level opponents psyche themselves out before the match even begins. The only cure for getting past the "ohhhh, he/she's an '8' or '9' [or what-have-you]; if I mess up, he/she's going to have me for lunch" thing, is to just continue to do it. And do it when you *least want to* do it -- i.e. it's sprung upon you to do so.

After a while, the "shock factor" of this just goes away. You learn to see that it's only you and the table; not you and the opponent. Just focus on "owning" the table, and the guy seated in the chair can never hurt you.

I know, "it's easier said than done." Too bad there's such a great distance between our two locations. I'd welcome the opportunity to get together, to give you as many opportunities as possible of getting hit hard, to build up those mental callouses, to prepare you for those regional matches.

-Sean

I knew where that quote originated :grin: It's one of my favorites.

I would truly enjoy the "education", Sean. I do get "educated" fairly regularly around here, and I'm not short for teachers. But I'm sure your "lessons" would be far different, hee hee. And one thing I am good at is racking...

Seriously, I didn't intend this to be about being psyched out by the SL8, more about managing myself in the moment. By the time that I messed up the potential run-out, that awe factor had long since passed. No, the issue was more of me "closing the deal" than of playing him, at that point. Over-thinking the shot, trying to get too perfect a leave and missing the shot in the first place.

The short of it is that in my eagerness to apply more right-side on the cue ball, I didn't account enough and drove the OB into the side of the pocket, rattling nicely in the corner. Given where the 4 was, it would have been difficult to get decent position on it otherwise, and had I just played natural path with the shot, I would likely have had to try and play safe. While I'm not bad at it, matching safes with this guy wasn't in my best interest. :p
I went for it, didn't make it, and paid for it. Such is this game, and many others.

Closing the deal is the real issue for me methinks. It comes up regularly enough to make me believe it to be so. I'll make a good run and not make the last 2 or 3 balls, in either 8-ball or 9-ball. Much of that can be laid to less-than-good position play, and poor mechanics, but handling the mental part is the frustrating part. Because that is one thing I should be able to improve on that isn't a function of HAMB or experience at the table. I haven't been playing very long at this game, but I have played many other games and sports so the mental part should translate better, at least in my eyes.

Ah well, it's still fun, chasing success and improvement. Thanks for the advice and comments, gang.
 
You sound about in the right place for having lost, disappointed not obsessed with why. You've already identified the mistake you think may have cost you the match in the end. It sounds like it was a good experience all around, you got back your fee and a little more, you played some good players and played well against them. We all make errors when we play, sometimes mental sometimes physical, what happens to you next time you play will depend on how you react to those, keep it all in perspective. I'm thinkin' you're gonna be just fine
 
glad to hear you finished as well as you did. good to know where you went wrong playing that 8. yea we all have been guilty of playing well and then start thinking too much:wink:

i did the same thing in my 8 ball cities 2 weeks ago. i was even at 2-2 with a 7 i was up against when i found out my scorekeeper was not marking my opponents safties. it got me to thinking to much and i lost. i only needed 2 more racks and i gave him 2 wins by being careless when i lost focus. won the rest of my matches that weekend though.

i did not make the same mistake last weekend at the 9 ball cities. i went undefeated all weekend but our team still lost. "sigh".

just remember to stay focused and just play your game, do not play your opponent, play the table.

good luck in future tournaments. btw, i have 8 ball and 9 ball scotch doubles cities next weekend, i am looking forward to it as i feel we have a pretty strong team.
 
A couple of disclaimers, up front. This will likely be long (I'm like that), so I apologize up front. And this is referring to an APA tournament (though I suspect it would apply in general terms) so if anything regarding APA offends your sensibilities, this is your warning. :p

I got to play in our end-of-session Best of the Best tournament yesterday, 9-ball version. Here in our territory, you have to finish in the top 20 in your division, in winning percentage, in order to qualify for this tournament. It is a $20 entry, all money paid out, the number of places based on the number of entrants. It isn't divided by Skill Level, so everyone plays everyone, depending on where you were drawn in the bracket. (Blind draw, of course.) We play matches based on our skill level, just as we would during league play, though there is no accounting for innings, as the scores aren't reported. You just have to score the required amount for your Skill Level before the other guy does.

I have been fortunate enough to play in a couple of these over my short 2 and a half years of playing pool. So I'm not completely new to the experience, though I am still "new" as far as "being experienced", if that makes any sense. I ate reasonably, and nursed 2 beers over the course of 8 hours, so I handled all of that part pretty well, imho.

As we are fairly remote, and in the northern "half" of our LO's territory, we only draw from 5 divisions in 9-ball, currently. Still, that means there are 100 players qualified and invited. We had 22 show up for this tournament. The Skill Levels varied from SL2 to SL8, with the bulk being SL4's and SL5's. (I'm an SL4.)

I got what I considered a pretty favorable draw, with more of the "better" players (by my estimation) on the other half of the bracket. (Still, all of these players made it to the top 20 in their divisions, so they had to play well enough to win some matches.) As a result, I made it fairly deep into the winners side. I got knocked to the other side by an SL5 who was pretty good, though he was having a bad game of it, early on. Problem was, I was, too. Still, I managed to hang in, and had a chance to win, if I had closed out a run. It was right there for me, all I had to do was execute. Sigh. Missed opportunity.

Then I had to wait. Turned out that I was going to get the winner of the one SL8 and the one SL7, who had both somehow gotten bumped over to the other side of the bracket. (Probably one sent the other there, only to be followed later in the bracket.) I wasn't freaked out, much, and kind of looking forward to it. I had no illusions that I was going in likely to win, but looking to give them a good match and see what happened.

The SL8 won. He is regarding pretty highly around the state, certainly one of the better players we have, make the trip to nationals most every year, either singles, doubles, teams or some combination. I confess, as we started, I think I let that fact get to me some, as he was running balls effortlessly. (That was fun to watch. It was a strange feeling, watching your opponent scoring so much, so often, so seeming easily. I smiled watching it.)

Still, I went in and got what I could, when I could. Picked away, made a couple few ball runs. I was shocked when the score keeper told me we were down to about 5 or 6 points away, each of us. (For those who don't know, an SL4 has to get to 31 before an SL8 has to get to 65.) Now I started thinking, probably too much. We trade a few, and he made a surprisingly unexpected error, and left me an open shot on the 3. Of course, I overthought it, and tried to get too fancy for position on the 4, and screwed it up. That was it.

I finished tied for 5th, and got my entry fee back, plus a little. I was the last person from my division in the bracket. I told myself, that I played well much of the time, and learned some stuff, as well. Now comes the hard part. Stopping myself from being too disappointed and upset with myself for letting the opportunity slip away. And how to really "learn" from it. How to manage myself and my game better, so that I don't do that again.

We don't have actual "tournaments" here very often. So as much as I would like to jump back in and try again, it's not likely, right away. No, I'm not interested in gambling, for a variety of reasons. I simply want to learn how to execute and minimize my mistakes.

That's it. I did have a great time, and I did play well for some stretchs as well. I hope others can have as good a time as I did. And I hope that I really can "learn" from it.

Missed opportunites, darn it!


Nice story about your experience. One of the hardest things to learn from these experiences is how to be in the moment and absorb as much as you can, but it sounds as though you did a pretty good job of it.

Lou Figueroa
 
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