Leave 9 Ball Alone!

some hint when I saw the OP

Pushout said:
Six year old thread, fer cryin' out loud!
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It was some hint this wasn't a new thread when I saw who started it. Notice where he is at now! Another of the ones we will be missing for a long time.

For me the biggest thing wrong with nine ball was six ball. Playing on a coin op table I controlled the table most of the time playing eight or nine ball. Trouble was playing nine ball everybody wanted to play six ball for the same bet after the nine ball game to keep from throwing away six balls every rack. My win rate was as high or higher playing nine than eight but my six ball break stunk. Never found a way to make a ball consistently. Far too often I gave back the money I had just won playing nine when I left an easy six ball run since we played winner breaks. No doubt didn't help any that I soon came to hate six ball!

Hu
 
Don't forget, that if you scratched on the nine it wasn't an automatic win, like BIH, you had to shoot a spot shoot for the win. I still get nervous just thinking about it, lol.
 
bobroberts said:
The only thing that I can see wrong with 9 ball is you can make 8 balls in a row and lose.There has to be some consideration for doing that.
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It's like someone once said, "The 9-ball is the only ball that means anything. Everything else is just yardage." And the football analogy holds up, IMO, because a team could drive the ball 90 yards and then throw a pick 6.

Regarding 9-ball rules, I think both the old rules and the new rules have good things about them. I like the fast pace of express rules, and I like getting rewarded immediately for playing a great safety. But I also like the strategic maneuvering that occurs in the old rules.

I think call-shot 10-ball is a better game overall for several reasons, but what I really love about 9-ball is that I can still play two-way shots that offer a potential reward whether I pocket the ball or not. Any rotation game that disallows this shot needs improvement IMO:

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9-ball is an awesome game. I love 9b and 10b just the same and then 14.1.

I don't know who said 9ball is for bangers but their wrong and here is my take on it:

Every bangers play 8 ball recreationally because its an easier game, well I don't like that statement. 8-ball is an easy game in terms that you always have many options but to play 8-ball how it ought to be played, its a lot more strategic. A player should be tired after a match of 8-ball after all that thinking and planning. Offense, defense and two-way shots all you can eat.

9-ball on the other hand is an easier game mentally because given a layout, most pros will run it the same way but that game will RAPE YOUR BROWN ORIFICE if you have no concept of positional play whereas 8-ball you can get by.

9-ball is a beautiful game played by all kind of people.:thumbup:
 
I'd like to see a modification of "Ball in Hand". Make it "ball in hand" behind the line. That would actually add a little strategy to the game.
 
ceebee said:
I'd like to see a modification of "Ball in Hand". Make it "ball in hand" behind the line. That would actually add a little strategy to the game.
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I'd also like to see the option of giving the table back on an unintentional safety. More than once have I had an opponent miss a ball only to leave me in total jail. So he gets rewarded for his missed shot with ball-in-hand and a runout or combo to the 9 or whatever. You should be penalized for a miss, not rewarded.
 
Winston846 said:
I'd also like to see the option of giving the table back on an unintentional safety. More than once have I had an opponent miss a ball only to leave me in total jail. So he gets rewarded for his missed shot with ball-in-hand and a runout or combo to the 9 or whatever. You should be penalized for a miss, not rewarded.
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Enter what Grady likes to call "Grady's rules"... since he believes that he invented that rule set.
 
Lucky Nine!

Winston846 said:
In my opinion, luck IS what's wrong with 9-ball. It makes a lot of bangers better than what they really are (or at least think they're better than they really are). When in doubt, get the 9 moving. Do you really want to lose that way?
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Do I want to lose that way/, hell yeah, because I can play combo's and billiard shots, 2,3, & 4 rail shots better than any banger can, and still make it look like I can't play a lick!, thats the way 9-ball should be played, 9-Ball was designed so everyone had a chance to Win the Game,there are a lot of different styles to play 9-Ball, if you wanna change the game completely , play ten ball.


David Harcrow
 
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Rickw said:
First of all, the 9b wasn't wild. Secondly, they didn't have ball in hand. If you didn't hit the ball, your opponent could either shoot the cue ball from where it lays or make you shoot it again. If you scratched the cb, your opponent took ball in hand from the kitchen. There may be more that I'm forgetting but that's what I remember.
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I love playing 9 ball, the only problem i have with it is when your playing a short race and your opponent is flying at the 9 with every chance he gets
 
Two shot roll out, now that is a players game!, the shot maker!

catpool9 said:
Yes I agree with you (ceebee), many players were great shot makers!
You had the guy's that rollout for the jump shot, other's rollout for the bank, a very hard cut shot, or a combo! (All players had their specialty, a unique few had them all)!

There were times for a player to play a saftey, sometimes it was useless, because the opponent would just roll-out. "Your never hooked" (snookerd).
But, the player playing a saftey on you could be "setting you up" so you'll make a (bad) easy rollout, for him to take the advantage and run the game out for the win.
When it was time!, for a saftey play, the "Players" seized the moment!


Two-Shot RollOut (Two-Shot Foul) was definitely a "Thinkers" game!

Two-shot rollout was a very "Offensive Game" sometimes, lot's of the average guy's were running 2-3 racks of 9b regularly, because they played for every ball (shot) to go in the pockett, kicked at everything feasible to make, (because there was not really the point of playing a saftey, being the always standing "rollout rule", not this "nip and duck" one-shot foul format we've all grown to love today!

Their were lots of the 5-8 rack runners of 9b around, and the "Super Players" of 10 or more racks in those day's.

Never see much of that these day's in tournaments, billiard rooms, halls, nite club's, or taverns because everyone is LQQKING for the "Duck and Hide" try for ball in-hand............Although it does happen, just not as often, because of the one-shot foul rule format of play. (one-shot foul has you thinking Defense, instead of Offense as much)

In early 80's one-shot foul rule was emplemented on ESPN so the games would hopefully go faster for their alotted Television time.

Two-shot rollout just had you in the Offense Mode all the time, even your rollout was considered offense to you sometimes, because you were trying to trap your opponent into letting you take the rollout and make your shot, run out and win the game.

Rude Dog's reply to StraightPoolIU about how the game was played was pretty much the way it was in 70's and even untill the later 80's

Rickw: here's what I remember of the rules 20-30 yrs. ago.

:ball in hand with 2 consecutive fouls
:touch cb in anyway, it's a foul
:touch other balls, no foul, opponent has option to move back object ball to original postion
:missed object ball or bad hit, it's a foul,
:jump any ball off table, it's a foul, unless you pockett 9 also, it's a win
:spot ball before 9 on scratch, ball in hand behind line
: scratch and make ball before 9 and the 9, spot both, lowest first, ball in hand behind line
:scratch on break, take off lowest balls behind line, ball in hand behind line (that was in the 70's, in the 80's you spotted lowest ball behind line)
:make contact with lowest ball with good hit and make 9, you WIN!
That's why it's called LUCKY 9! Ball--Add's Zip to the game!

Well that Two-Shot Rollout was a Great Game in those day's, but it's gone now, and has been.
I'm perfectly happy with how the game is played today, except wish all the Pro. matches were best 11-21


Have a good one!

Catpool9


Pool is the only game in the World that you can lose at, and not get your turn to play!

David Harcrow
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I brought back this thread last month because I knew that the Country Calvin Classic was on the horizon, and it will be played "Two Shot Foul", so everyone that plays in it needs to brush up on Spot Shots, for they will come up often!, roll out for your specialty shot, a bank, cut, or maybe a jump!, who's the Shot Maker!:thumbup:


David Harcrow
 
You brought back a lot of wonderful memories for me good buddy. For those that might not know, Rude Dog is the AZ member AZ sent to the US Open. He had the best time of his life. If you knew him, you miss him.
RIP Rude Dog

1st time he ever saw the Atlantic Ocean!


catpool9 said:
I brought back this thread last month because I knew that the Country Calvin Classic was on the horizon, and it will be played "Two Shot Foul", so everyone that plays in it needs to brush up on Spot Shots, for they will come up often!, roll out for your specialty shot, a bank, cut, or maybe a jump!, who's the Shot Maker!:thumbup:


David Harcrow
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Purdman said:
You brought back a lot of wonderful memories for me good buddy. For those that might not know, Rude Dog is the AZ member AZ sent to the US Open. He had the best time of his life. If you knew him, you miss him.
RIP Rude Dog

1st time he ever saw the Atlantic Ocean!
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John Morton was alright in my book. Funny guy too!

I remember the AZ/US Open thing...we all chipped in to send someone to the US Open. Each donor got to submit a name of their choosing. I believe you, Don, volunteered to be Rude Dog's chaperone, since you live fairly close and was going to be there anyway?


Eric >hasn't seen Purdman, here, in a while
 
I played my first game of 9-ball in 1956. We played two-foul BIH. I think the new rules are great with one exception: PLAY CALL! NO SLOP!!
 
you must play a different 8 ball than i do because 8 in a row would be your seven plus the 8 to win unless you scratch on the 8
 
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