Legend vs Young Gambler woofin over the use of a jump cue!

THAT WAS AWESOME........

IT'S ALSO NOT THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD PEOPLE WOOF OVER.

NEITHER GUY REALLY SOUNDED LIKE HE WANTED ANY PART OF THAT GAME, I THINK THEY WERE JUST ENJOYING THE WOOFING. I KNOW A LOT OF POOLPLAYERS LIKE THAT.

Marcus
 
Celtic said:
That 3-4 inches was a fine safe before the jump cue, it made the incomming player kick or play a masse. The only reason you need to reeze the cueball to the blocker now is because of the jump cue in the first place. The jump cue itself is what changed a good safety to a crap safety because now there is a cue that simply pops a cueball over a full ball hook of a ball 3 inches away. When Earl was jumping with a full length cue he was not doing so on shots where the object ball blocker was 3 inches away, it was an impossible shot. They invented a cue that made a shot possible that was not possible before and they changed what was a good safety.

Saying someone played a crap safety if they had to play almost a stop shot to freeze the cueball behind the blocker? OK. The safety where a guy chips a ball, goes 3 rails, and behind cover only to leave 3 inches between him and the blocker and the incomming player just pulls out the jumper? There is no balance there.
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And on the other hand there is no balance when the defense is to play a simple safety that leaves a super tough kick shot with the penalty being ball in hand and a sure loss.

So the jump cue balances that out.

Actually the argument that it's not possible to jump a ball from close distances with a "full" cue is not accurate. It's possible. Ralf Eckhart the German trick shot artist used to do a shot where there was a chalk's width between the balls and jump it with a full cue and make a ball in the opposite side.

Two years ago I saw a Taiwanese trick shot artist do it by accident with no miscue.

Earl Strickland uses a shorter cue to jump with. Or I should say that he is on video doing it in at least one US Open and that I have personally witnessed him using a shorter cue during a tournament in Chicago.

The fact is that the jump cue just like the leather tip and chalk introduced another series of shots that prior to it's introduction were possible but not PROBABLE. This cue made the act of getting a ball to hop over another one the easy part and now the player can focus on the speed and spin.

Here is a video that shows the balance AND the skill that the jump cue represents and demands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9y8Lv_A1s

I can teach anyone to draw in five minutes. I can teach anyone to kick in five minutes - in fact I can teach anyone with a half decent stroke to do any basic task in pool in five minutes. How long that it will take for them to master those aspects is then dependent on their own skill and aptitude.
 
well now you left out the rest of my comment on teaching him to jump that close.

Getting up and over is EASY jsut like kicking and hitting a ball BUT being accurate with that jump OR kick takes time to learn and practice .

Anyhow this deadhorse crawling with flies i think ill leave it alone after this .
 
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Celtic said:
I am 33 years old and jump cues are idiotic gimmick pieces of equipment that destroy a huge amount of the shots that take a truly high level of skill to accomplish like a masse or a multiple rail kick with control.

That has been replaced with a goofy cue that Robin Dodson gives to a 5 year old in Vegas and has jumping full balls within 5 minutes. Skill my ass, jump cues are a crutch for guys with a lack of skill to do anything that takes more then 5 minutes for a 5 year old to master.
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I agree, folks just don't want to learn how to kick. And they are not accepted everywhere. I don't believe jump cues are legal in many if not most men's pro tourney's. The good pool rooms don't allow them for the damage they cause to the cloth, so they are here but not universally accepted yet. And yes, I have a jump cue, but I don't use it in leagues or tourneys, just bought a few years ago to learn how to use it, then put it in my bag never to use again.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I agree, folks just don't want to learn how to kick. And they are not accepted everywhere. I don't believe jump cues are legal in many if not most men's pro tourney's. The good pool rooms don't allow them for the damage they cause to the cloth, so they are here but not universally accepted yet. And yes, I have a jump cue, but I don't use it in leagues or tourneys, just bought a few years ago to learn how to use it, then put it in my bag never to use again.
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I don't understand the notion that people don't want to learn how to kick. When Tom Rossmann came to town and did his exhibition everyone was eating up his kicking lessons. I was there the whole time and not one person asked Tim to teach them anything about jumping DESPITE the fact that he did about 10 or so trick shots using the jump cue.

There is more information now than ever before on kicking balls, more books, more diagrams, more videos, much much more than jumping.

In fact I'd be willing to bet that we can find many more threads on AZ about kicking systems than we can about the proper way to jump. (I am not counting the pro/anti-jump cue debates).

All that seems to indicate that people want to learn to kick just as much if not more than they want to learn to jump.

Jumping balls is part of the game. It's a different aspect of the game. It's not one vs the other but instead just two avenues to achieve the same goal, a good hit.

Jump cues are legal in all World Pool Association sanctioned professional events, to include every 9 and 10 ball World Championship held in the last 19 years. They have been an allowed and exciting part of the US Open as long as I can remember.

They have been a part of every Challenge of Champions event.
 
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