Lesser penalty than BIH for fouling?

There's a game called starball. I believe in it you can play it where it lies or from "the kitchen" on either end. It's still a powerful option when getting BIH but not as powerful as BIH anywhere.

I like that option, if it's better where it is, leave it. I sometimes feel the same way about spotting a ball, there should be an option for the incoming player to have a ball spot before OR after their shot. Since often you may have a shot, but spotting the ball blocks it, or creates a cluster for them to work through. Since you spot a ball 95% of time on a penalty, it should not make it harder on the opponent to play after your foul.
 
The rules of 8 ball that appear in the first BCA rule book in 1948 have the 1-and-15 rules. The only special ball-in-hand rule is that if all legal target balls are in the kitchen and your opponent scratches, the ball nearest the line can be spotted. This is not really a special rule since 14.1 had had the rule for a long time.

The only time the cue ball was in hand was after a scratch (or on the break).
Amazing research, as usual.
 
1980 is my oldest rule book. 20250331_104710.jpg20250331_104817.jpg
Even has instructions for beginners. This got a Tea He from Me. 🤷‍♂️
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That was definitely a horrible period in the BCA rules for 8-ball. Both 3-foul and ball in hand anywhere for a foul. Horrible.
Loopholes that allow a player to foul to gain advantage were a Pet Peeve. Not saying I wouldn't though. 😉 🤷‍♂️ As long as both parties play by the same rules.
 
Since often you may have a shot, but spotting the ball blocks it, or creates a cluster for them to work through. Since you spot a ball 95% of time on a penalty, it should not make it harder on the opponent to play after your foul
I've played enough 1P that I see it as another strategic option. I mean, it sucks for the incoming player, but there is a bit of meta game there that I'd be sad to see go. :)
 
A group of us use to play 1-15 8 Ball or as we called it "Alabama 8 Ball" with rules that lead to a strategic and nuanced game.

Alabama 8 Ball

(1-15)




The rules for 8 Ball established by World Pool-Billiard Association (WPA) with the following exceptions and modifications should apply to Alabama 8 Ball.




The Rack

The 1 and the 15 placed behind the 8 ball in the center of the rack.




The Break

Object balls driven off the table are spotted. If the 1 and/or the 15 are made on the break and the shooter fouls the balls are spotted. If the 1 and/or the 15 are pocketed on a legal break, they stay pocketed.




Open table / choosing groups / side pocket

If the 1 or the 15 is made on the break the shooter may choose to be the pocketed ball’s group by declaring so, otherwise he must declare the table to be open in order to shoot another group’s balls.

If the 1 and the 15 are pocketed on the break the table remains open.

The side pocket, to which 1 or 15 is to be made, is determined by the side that a ball is pocketed establishing the shooter’s group during an open table shot. An exception to this is when the 1 or the 15 is made on the break and shooter chooses that group, the sides are said to be open and is established by the first legally pocketed ball to that side. For example if a solid ball is legally made in one of the pockets on the right hand side of the table then the 1 ball must be made in the side pocket on the right hand side of the table and the 15 must be made in the left hand side pocket. Markers are used to mark which side the 1 and the 15 are to be made.




Spotting and Pocketing Balls

A ball, in the shooter’s group pocketed in a pocket other than the called pocket or on a foul shot, shall be spotted.

When a “Safety” is called and the ball is pocketed in a called pocket the shooter has the option of declaring, before the shot, whether the ball “stays down” in the pocket or “comes up” on the spot.

As a ball in the shooter’s group, the 1 or the 15 may be made at any time in any called pocket. If made in the correct side pocket it stays down. If made in any other called pocket it stays down until the shooters inning ends or the shooter pockets all of the balls in his group at which point the 1 or the 15 comes up on the spot and the shooter inning continues. (Alternatively, this game is also be played where the 1 or the 15 is spotted immediately after being made in the wrong pocket.)

If the shooter fouls and a ball or balls are made that are not in the shooter’s group the incoming shooter has the option spotting all, one, or none of the balls.

If the shooter pockets his opponent’s 1 or 15 in any pocket it stays down unless it was pocketed on a foul shot, then the opponent has the option of spotting the ball.

If an intentional object ball foul shot is played on the opponent’s 1 or 15, the opponent will have the option of pocketing the ball or, up to opponent’s judgment, restoring the ball to its original position (or near its original position frozen to interfering balls).

If a foul shot moves the opponent’s 1 or 15 the opponent has the option of, up to opponent’s judgment, restoring the 1 or the 15 to its original position (or near its original position frozen to interfering balls) or accepting the table as is.

Cue Ball fouls only (no touched object ball fouls).
I appreciate that you included the rules that you used. They are very helpful. I see no mention of fouling except in a few specific situations. Is that because the penalty is not specific to Alabama and instead falls under standard 8-ball rules (ball in hand for current WPA rules)?
 
They play this game a lot at my parents RV resort. I asked one of the regulars why they play that way and he told me because it's more challenging. Not one player there can run three balls...
 
I’ve played 8-ball the least of all the games….if I got serious about it, I would only play last pocket….no magnetic cue balls.
 
They play this game a lot at my parents RV resort. I asked one of the regulars why they play that way and he told me because it's more challenging. Not one player there can run three balls...

What they really mean is that it keeps the one guy who can run two balls from winning every game. These type of gaff games are kinda the perfect handicappers for low level players.

When I was a lad, it was common for us to play bank 8 last pocket. We pretty much figured out that gaffing the game with banks and last pockets made it easier to manipulate and the end game usually became a one-ball one-pocket match. You either had the eight on the first try, or you played safe and smart. If you played safe and smart, the opponent would bunt the eight away with his shot.

Too many end-game rules ruins any game.
 
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