TheBook said:I also think that this also promotes sandbagging. Players don't want to raise their skill level because they know there is nothing to gain from it.
blueridge said:The TAP league has already done that. They have a handicap system similar to the APA, and a 25 rule.
The APA is a pyramid scheme. That's the whole reason why the 23 rule will never change. Inevitably what happens is that skill levels go up, forcing teams to either split up and players to start their other teams, or players to recruit their wives, girlfriends, parents, children, etc who are low skill level players. This becomes mandatory so that the teams don't have to forfeit matches and so that the high skill level players can play. It's all by design. It's a big f#ckin' pyramid scheme.
ScottW said:Um, no. It is not anything near what a pyramid scheme is.
But, the spirit of your post is correct - the 23 rule helps ensure that as people improve, teams split up and (hopefully, for them) form new teams and bring in new players to fill the gaps.
inside_english said:I was playing a match recently and had to go to 5. When I was on the hill I broke down my break cue. The other teams's captain wanted to penalize me for "forfeiting". I guess the fact that I would not need to break again in that match seemed to elude them.
Bigkahuna said:Yes, and does this not make a league grow? How is that a bad thing for pool? APA is a product and one that allows for lower level players to compete against better players. If you don't like the product don't buy it!
ScottW said:
blueridge said:It doesn't follow the details of what a pyramid scheme is, but it is consistent with the basic premise of the pyramid scheme, which is the necessity of continuously "enrolling other people into the scheme..." for sustainability.
mongoose- said:I won't get started on the APA as I could go on & on lol. I do want to bring up something that happened here a while ago regarding the LO in this area. A couple of guys started a small 5 team ACS league up here as a bunch of people were sick of paying the APA and wanted something different. The LO then kicked the people who started the ACS out of the APA & threatned other players if they participated they would be banned as well. Is this not America with free enterprise ? I call it insecurity... and as soon as people start seeing the payback for a NON PROFIT league you will see a lot more leave the APA.
mongoose- said:I won't get started on the APA as I could go on & on lol. I do want to bring up something that happened here a while ago regarding the LO in this area. A couple of guys started a small 5 team ACS league up here as a bunch of people were sick of paying the APA and wanted something different. The LO then kicked the people who started the ACS out of the APA & threatned other players if they participated they would be banned as well. Is this not America with free enterprise ? I call it insecurity... and as soon as people start seeing the payback for a NON PROFIT league you will see a lot more leave the APA.
jrt30004 said:there's an easy fix to that - call the national office. the lo in that area would be reprimanded and problem solved. if they were banned for only starting another league. now if they went around saying untrue and slanderous things about the lo and the apa - that's a different story. i shoot both bca and apa here in GA and the entire staff in the apa office know it and know there's nothing they can do about it. it's a free country.
and please i am no apologist for the apa. i play because i love to play and generally like to play the higher handicaps because it's decent competition, but i joined the bca because the level there is even higher. i hate the 23 rule, i dislike the 9ball scoring and i can't come to terms with how they determine handicaps, but it allows people with little or no skill to get involved in the game we all love.
ScottW said:Like others have said, that's a basic principle for business, period. Try again!
Skill level 8 in 8ball?Nitrox11 said:I am not sure why it bothers me so much, but marking the pocket on the 8-ball is just crazy. If two SL8's are playing I think they know what pocket the other person is going to pocket the 8-ball in.
blueridge said:A pyramid scheme is not a basic principle for business. It's not necessary to resort to that to increase membership.