Lets all dog on APA

I don't recall a dollar a rack for most APA events. Maybe yes for the minis but not for the big tournaments. BCA is a dollar for all games but worth it being they are all Diamond tables.
 
marker on pocket

I went to playoffs one time/ call the 8 ball each time and made it/ becaue I didn't place the maker on pocket I lost every game. My team mates even wrote mark the 8 on my bridge hand / and I still only call the 8. Unreal for me.
 
TheBook said:
I also think that this also promotes sandbagging. Players don't want to raise their skill level because they know there is nothing to gain from it.

That's a whoooole different issue/discussion, and one that has been visited many many times in this forum. :)
 
I love APA...
There's no sandbagging in APA...
The 23 rule is perfect...
The APA is not here to make money only...
I play APA every week...

I don't wanna B***H,so please put this post in a mirror and read it all backwards.:D Just quit,ever since I did,pool has become fun again.(imo)
:withstupid: :rotflmao1: :clapping: :joyful:
 
blueridge said:
The TAP league has already done that. They have a handicap system similar to the APA, and a 25 rule.

The APA is a pyramid scheme. That's the whole reason why the 23 rule will never change. Inevitably what happens is that skill levels go up, forcing teams to either split up and players to start their other teams, or players to recruit their wives, girlfriends, parents, children, etc who are low skill level players. This becomes mandatory so that the teams don't have to forfeit matches and so that the high skill level players can play. It's all by design. It's a big f#ckin' pyramid scheme.



LOL, Its a great way to make money and keep the league growing, I see your point and its right, but, you can always do a apa 3 man team or the apa masters which has no handicap at all.
 
The little patches they give you for break and runs fill me with glee. I DO needs me some more patches. :eek:

Plus, I hear that after you play 500 matches and give them, oh, about $4,000 they give you a jacket announcing the milestone to the world. I needs me one of them too. :D

The one positive thing about the APA (for me) is that I have friends who don't play so good but love to play pool and it gives us a chance to hang out together and be part of a team. Every once in a while I'll play a session and I always seem to have a good time.
 
ScottW said:
Um, no. It is not anything near what a pyramid scheme is.

But, the spirit of your post is correct - the 23 rule helps ensure that as people improve, teams split up and (hopefully, for them) form new teams and bring in new players to fill the gaps.

Yes, and does this not make a league grow? How is that a bad thing for pool? APA is a product and one that allows for lower level players to compete against better players. If you don't like the product don't buy it!
 
Sharking or gamesmanship?

inside_english said:
I was playing a match recently and had to go to 5. When I was on the hill I broke down my break cue. The other teams's captain wanted to penalize me for "forfeiting". I guess the fact that I would not need to break again in that match seemed to elude them.

inside_english, if the fact that you'd not need to break again did not elude them, then perhaps maybe the alternative reason why they might've taken exception to your breaking down your break cue is the manner in which you did it. If you were really outclassing your opponent, depending on how you were executing the break cue break-down process, it could've been construed as smug or rude behavior.

I've seen matches where the seated opponent got so incensed at the shooter's smugness (by breaking down a break cue prior to the end of the match), that something inside the seated opponent woke up, and when he/she did get an opportunity to get to the table, he/she went on a multiple game tear and actually won the match.

Courtesy is the name of the game in virtually all cases. Not saying you weren't, but just trying to offer an alternative explanation for why the opposing team saw things the way they did.

Hope this is helpful,
-Sean
 
Bigkahuna said:
Yes, and does this not make a league grow? How is that a bad thing for pool? APA is a product and one that allows for lower level players to compete against better players. If you don't like the product don't buy it!

If you re-read my post a bit more carefully, you'll find I'm not making any judgments. I'm just saying what we all know about the effect of the 23-point rule. Chill. :)
 
I won't get started on the APA as I could go on & on lol. I do want to bring up something that happened here a while ago regarding the LO in this area. A couple of guys started a small 5 team ACS league up here as a bunch of people were sick of paying the APA and wanted something different. The LO then kicked the people who started the ACS out of the APA & threatned other players if they participated they would be banned as well. Is this not America with free enterprise ? I call it insecurity... and as soon as people start seeing the payback for a NON PROFIT league you will see a lot more leave the APA.
 
blueridge said:
It doesn't follow the details of what a pyramid scheme is, but it is consistent with the basic premise of the pyramid scheme, which is the necessity of continuously "enrolling other people into the scheme..." for sustainability.

Like others have said, that's a basic principle for business, period. Try again!
 
mongoose- said:
I won't get started on the APA as I could go on & on lol. I do want to bring up something that happened here a while ago regarding the LO in this area. A couple of guys started a small 5 team ACS league up here as a bunch of people were sick of paying the APA and wanted something different. The LO then kicked the people who started the ACS out of the APA & threatned other players if they participated they would be banned as well. Is this not America with free enterprise ? I call it insecurity... and as soon as people start seeing the payback for a NON PROFIT league you will see a lot more leave the APA.

there's an easy fix to that - call the national office. the lo in that area would be reprimanded and problem solved. if they were banned for only starting another league. now if they went around saying untrue and slanderous things about the lo and the apa - that's a different story. i shoot both bca and apa here in GA and the entire staff in the apa office know it and know there's nothing they can do about it. it's a free country.
and please i am no apologist for the apa. i play because i love to play and generally like to play the higher handicaps because it's decent competition, but i joined the bca because the level there is even higher. i hate the 23 rule, i dislike the 9ball scoring and i can't come to terms with how they determine handicaps, but it allows people with little or no skill to get involved in the game we all love.
 
mongoose- said:
I won't get started on the APA as I could go on & on lol. I do want to bring up something that happened here a while ago regarding the LO in this area. A couple of guys started a small 5 team ACS league up here as a bunch of people were sick of paying the APA and wanted something different. The LO then kicked the people who started the ACS out of the APA & threatned other players if they participated they would be banned as well. Is this not America with free enterprise ? I call it insecurity... and as soon as people start seeing the payback for a NON PROFIT league you will see a lot more leave the APA.

what part of the apa is supposed to be non profit? everyone knows up front it's a business. go to the website it plainly states they sell franchises. and if you play you can profit. i've won enough in thier singles and team tournaments to help pay for a custom cue. not only that my game has profited. i have gotten valuable lessons from 7s and 9s that i didn't have to pay for. seems like profit to me. and it is not a pyramid scheme. based solely on the fact in a scheme they don't tell you where your money is going. you know up front you dues pay the lo and the national office. in my area it also covers table time. all you have to do is read the literature. part of the the money you pay in a pyramid scheme is used to pay the people who joined before you so they don't catch on they are not going to get what was promised to them. if you want to compare it, multi level marketing like amway, avon, or companies like partylite (who my sister used to work for - so i understand thier marketing a little) is a much better comparison. i can see that. the idea is to keep bringing in new sales reps to perpetuate growth.
 
jrt30004 said:
there's an easy fix to that - call the national office. the lo in that area would be reprimanded and problem solved. if they were banned for only starting another league. now if they went around saying untrue and slanderous things about the lo and the apa - that's a different story. i shoot both bca and apa here in GA and the entire staff in the apa office know it and know there's nothing they can do about it. it's a free country.
and please i am no apologist for the apa. i play because i love to play and generally like to play the higher handicaps because it's decent competition, but i joined the bca because the level there is even higher. i hate the 23 rule, i dislike the 9ball scoring and i can't come to terms with how they determine handicaps, but it allows people with little or no skill to get involved in the game we all love.

jrt30004 no need for not wanting me to think you are apologitic for the APA. I agree with you 100% people play pool because they love to play pool in any leagues. And the main office had been contacted and NOTHING was done about it. Just a run around. As I had said there are a small group of 40 players here who are running & playing a different league. We want the APA out of this county here and eventually I think it will happen... slowly but surely as this is a small county anyway. What that LO needs is a little trip out behind the woodshed for a few minutes and he wouldn't think he is actually all of that if you know what I mean.
 
One of my biggest gripes is I am paying some LO to get rich for almost nothing. What service do you get in return? The equalizer? Nationals? Tell you what, only 4 teams out of more than 100 go to Nationals from this region and it is next to impossible to win because of all the sandbaggers.

I am not currently playing APA because of the 23 rule. I may play again, I dont know at this point. It seems like my time would be better spent doing more practicing and playing in tournaments.
 
ScottW said:
Like others have said, that's a basic principle for business, period. Try again!

A pyramid scheme is not a basic principle for business. It's not necessary to resort to that to increase membership.
 
What?

Nitrox11 said:
I am not sure why it bothers me so much, but marking the pocket on the 8-ball is just crazy. If two SL8's are playing I think they know what pocket the other person is going to pocket the 8-ball in.
Skill level 8 in 8ball?
 
blueridge said:
A pyramid scheme is not a basic principle for business. It's not necessary to resort to that to increase membership.

Of course it's not. Adding new customers is a basic principle for business. You're taking my last post out of context.

You seem to equate the fact that sometimes, APA teams split into two and add a few more people into the mix - new customers - as being evidence of it being a "pyramid scheme".

Do some reading on the subject. I'm done trying to edu-ma-cate you on it. :)
 
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