Lets all dog on APA

[gunzby]

Ive always go my money from them in cash if I get a 1099 from them this year Ill be pi**ed for sure

That's the way I always thought it was. I've never heard of anyone getting 1099'd and I've known quite a few teams that went to Vegas.

 

[Bamacues]

That's the way I always thought it was. I've never heard of anyone getting 1099'd and I've known quite a few teams that went to Vegas.

Trust me, Guys. I am not one to stretch the truth. The paltry sum did not even come close for paying for everything involved with the trip to Vegas, especially this year when airline travel, gas, etc was so high.

Now, depending on your tax bracket, it is even less.
Joe

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[gunzby]

Trust me, Guys. I am not one to stretch the truth. The paltry sum did not even come close for paying for everything involved with the trip to Vegas, especially this year when airline travel, gas, etc was so high.

Now, depending on your tax bracket, it is even less.
Joe

That's pretty crappy. Just do what some of our Congressmen have been doing and don't pay taxes.

 

[Mowem down]

Trust me, Guys. I am not one to stretch the truth. The paltry sum did not even come close for paying for everything involved with the trip to Vegas, especially this year when airline travel, gas, etc was so high.

Now, depending on your tax bracket, it is even less.
Joe

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looks like that 1099 is from your LO not from the APA national headquarters, They dont (havent, the div. I play in just got sold)do that here...That is really crappy, that must be a call the LO's can make on their own....We have 2 good size div. that boarder each other, I know alot of people that have won the trip, knowbody has got a 1099 thats just really unbeleavable...I would be on fire have no doubt

 

[Mowem down]

Trust me, Guys. I am not one to stretch the truth. The paltry sum did not even come close for paying for everything involved with the trip to Vegas, especially this year when airline travel, gas, etc was so high.

Now, depending on your tax bracket, it is even less.
Joe

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Did you get stuck with the whole thing because your the team captain ?? THeir might be a silver lining to this for me the only reason I play in the damn league is because my girl wont get out of it to play BCA, but I usure you if they send her a 1099 for the money we won in the playoffs and the money tourney we'll be done, oh she will be in a rant, I will be laughing my A** off..I do think your getting scr*******wed though. that sucks, cheap fer's

 

[jason]

 

[mongoose-]

Finding a player that can actually sandbag and knows how the system works is a pretty rare combination. The APA is very on top of sand baggers especially at the nationals level. Like I said earlier, I've played in the APA for 11 years now and have seen all the so called sand baggers come and go, and they never seem to go anywhere. they always go up or just don't play as good as they think they can during the tri annuals or local team championships. In fact the whole sand bagging thing is really just an excuse for people that just can't win or had an off day. And there are always going to be know it all bar/room owners or team captains that say they would have done this or that and think they are smarter than the system but they never win. Most league operators are fairly in tune with who's who in the area. A person that can really play is not going to just sneak in under the radar for very long and why would they? You think a strong player is interested in playing on a team for bunch of nights and pay weekly fees and commit to all the time involved in getting to Vegas to split a few thousand bucks 7 or 8 ways if they beat a million other teams? Get real. The team nationals are played on bar tables with buckets, anybody might run out at any time. They aren't all sand baggers, get over it.

Don't take this the wrong way but you sound like you are a victim of the APA brain wash. I want to point out in one of your earlier posts about what league dues are. You might pay a certain thing in your area but each area can be different. Up here they pay $10 - $2 to the house for table use and $8 for league dues. So it can be different depending what league you are playing in. And as far as sandbagging goes when I was out there a few years ago there was 2 teams disqualified for sandbagging and I heard there was a team DQ'd this year as well. So it DOES happen.

 

[jrt30004]

Don't take this the wrong way but you sound like you are a victim of the APA brain wash. I want to point out in one of your earlier posts about what league dues are. You might pay a certain thing in your area but each area can be different. Up here they pay $10 - $2 to the house for table use and $8 for league dues. So it can be different depending what league you are playing in. And as far as sandbagging goes when I was out there a few years ago there was 2 teams disqualified for sandbagging and I heard there was a team DQ'd this year as well. So it DOES happen.

you are absolutely correct - people get nailed all the time and tossed for sand bagging. i have watched a 6 playing a 3 in an apa tournament. the 6 drops a great safe, the the 3 has all 7 balls and the eight. the 3 surveys the table, drops a perfect masse making his ball in the side pocket and proceeds to run the table out. a ref was watching the first shot to make sure the hit was good and watched the whole run. at the end the ref approached the 3 told him great shot on the masse and beautiful run, oh yes - and thanks for playing but your dq'd. 3's don't hit masse shots and make eight ball runs in one turn at the table. it's the subtle sandbagging that skews the system. the person who "misses" a shot while leaving bad position for the incoming shooter. was it a safety or a miss? tough to call, and helps hide speed of a player. those are the guys who are working the system and making it crappy for those of us who want to play in the spirit of the game.

 

[mongoose-]

you are absolutely correct - people get nailed all the time and tossed for sand bagging. i have watched a 6 playing a 3 in an apa tournament. the 6 drops a great safe, the the 3 has all 7 balls and the eight. the 3 surveys the table, drops a perfect masse making his ball in the side pocket and proceeds to run the table out. a ref was watching the first shot to make sure the hit was good and watched the whole run. at the end the ref approached the 3 told him great shot on the masse and beautiful run, oh yes - and thanks for playing but your dq'd. 3's don't hit masse shots and make eight ball runs in one turn at the table. it's the subtle sandbagging that skews the system. the person who "misses" a shot while leaving bad position for the incoming shooter. was it a safety or a miss? tough to call, and helps hide speed of a player. those are the guys who are working the system and making it crappy for those of us who want to play in the spirit of the game.

Yes unfortunatly the sandbagging does happen. I don't play the APA any more but from what I have seen when I did out at the nationals they do keep a close eye out for sandbagging more so than at the local divisions. I watched a lady mark down a lot throughout the match of one of the teams that got DQ. But in ANY handicap system you are gonna get people trying to play it. It just makes it too bad for the players who are playing honestly. You know that all expense paid trip to las vegas is worth cheating for.

 

[Bamacues]

Did you get stuck with the whole thing because your the team captain ?? THeir might be a silver lining to this for me the only reason I play in the damn league is because my girl wont get out of it to play BCA, but I usure you if they send her a 1099 for the money we won in the playoffs and the money tourney we'll be done, oh she will be in a rant, I will be laughing my A** off..I do think your getting scr*******wed though. that sucks, cheap fer's

No, that is what each of us got from the league operator (Terry Justice, Baltimore, Maryland) for winning the National Qualifier (we only had 5 players on our team). It is a great league with some super competitive teams and players, I just wish the money was not given this way, especially in such a tough economy. Two of the players on this team have lost their jobs due to the bad economy, and now they are going to have to pay taxes on this money. Real bummer.


It is probably a tax issue for him/the league. I would imagine that it is easier to cut his own tax burden with the 1099s being filed. The only issue is that, in my mind, it is not "income" since it goes directly towards the expenses of the trip. I could understand if it was the "big" purse from the nationals.

Joe

 

[ScottW]

Re: taxes - someone's gonna pay taxes on those funds, either the LO/his DBA or the players. The funds going to the team are over whatever the limit is, so it's taxable. And I can see why the LO would issue tax docs to the teams in question - consider that they're already laying out the funds to help their teams travel to/stay in Vegas out of their own pockets (they don't HAVE to do it - some LOs don't do *anything*) - would it be fair to ask them to pay taxes on the funds they're giving away as well?

I play in a team trivia league with some friends every week. Every six months they have a big "top 150 teams" tournament, paying out $5k/2k/1k. My team took third in the last one, second in the one previous. We got paid by check on the spot, and agreed to get 1099s.

 

[bumpypickle]

I didn't say it didn't happen.

Don't take this the wrong way but you sound like you are a victim of the APA brain wash. I want to point out in one of your earlier posts about what league dues are. You might pay a certain thing in your area but each area can be different. Up here they pay $10 - $2 to the house for table use and $8 for league dues. So it can be different depending what league you are playing in. And as far as sandbagging goes when I was out there a few years ago there was 2 teams disqualified for sandbagging and I heard there was a team DQ'd this year as well. So it DOES happen.

I can't believe you took the time to write that where you are it costs 1 dollar more. It's 1 dollar, not double like the other guy said. You pay the same amount we do give or take a dollar man.
I said that the APA is on top of sandbagging stuff in Vegas. You even backed it up by saying that teams were disqualified. My point was that sandbagging has turned into an excuse for many players that just can't win. (if they lose they complain they met a sandbagger, get it?) My point was also that yes some people are going to try and come in under the radar but they never seem to get anywhere.

 

[supergreenman]

Trust me, Guys. I am not one to stretch the truth. The paltry sum did not even come close for paying for everything involved with the trip to Vegas, especially this year when airline travel, gas, etc was so high.

Now, depending on your tax bracket, it is even less.
Joe

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Well if they're going to play that way, you should be able to deduct your years league fees as you had to put that out in order to collect your trip winnings.

It's only fair I say.

 

[bumpypickle]

I can't take it anymore.

I dont reallly want to get into your bis. with these other people but as far as the sandbagging thing your wrong...I stop buy the team nationals as part of my summer vacation. I've been there 5 years in a row plus twice in april there are sandbaggers all over, people who just play enough matches to be able to play in the minis...you can play at a 6 level and be a 4 very easy, without really sandbagging if your team captain nows how to pick matches...I know enough I could move to another town and get a diff. ID play 10 matches on a double jepordy team and go to vegas as a 4 and 5 and rape the minis, except theres alot of people that Ive met that go every year too, and they would out me in a second.

The bottom line is if their system worked so good the level of play in any given skill level wouldnt be so all over the board... A scratch golfer is a scratch golfer every where. A bowler with a 180 ave is the same on the west coast as the east coast....its not even close to that way in the apa

So there is no sandbagging in bowling or golf? Hope you're kidding. Are you saying that you would be outed but other sandbaggers won't be outed? That's the whole point, it's tough to sneak under the radar long enough to make any real money. Flight to Vegas, transportation, food, gambling, hotel, entrance fees, APA officials everywhere, etc. all to try and win a mini for a couple hundred bucks? Yeah right, all the road players from around the country are lining up to get in on that deal.

 

[Bamacues]

Well if they're going to play that way, you should be able to deduct your years league fees as you had to put that out in order to collect your trip winnings.

It's only fair I say.

That is a real good point.
Joe

 

[ScottW]

Well if they're going to play that way, you should be able to deduct your years league fees as you had to put that out in order to collect your trip winnings.

It's only fair I say.

Well it's tax time - give it a try. Let us all know how it works out for you.

 

[Big Perm]

Please, you gotta love any organization or item that stands for something kewl:

As is famous in APA, make it anywhere you want cause it stands for "Any Pocket A**hole"

I love Adidas close because All Day I Dream About Sex

Jason
(adding humor because I miss Doug and he also talks to himself at the bottom of posts)

 

[mongoose-]

I can't believe you took the time to write that where you are it costs 1 dollar more. It's 1 dollar, not double like the other guy said. You pay the same amount we do give or take a dollar man.
I said that the APA is on top of sandbagging stuff in Vegas. You even backed it up by saying that teams were disqualified. My point was that sandbagging has turned into an excuse for many players that just can't win. (if they lose they complain they met a sandbagger, get it?) My point was also that yes some people are going to try and come in under the radar but they never seem to get anywhere.

ok :boring2:

 

[Gregg]

I love how people on the AZ want to promote pool, and bring it to the masses making it mainstream, APA does as good a job as anybody, and people...complain?

I also can't get over how a guy in a local rural town nobody will ever in visit wants to bash the APA league play because a pool player/career drunk at his local corner watering hole gave him a hard time. This has no representation whatsoever of league play.

As far as league play goes...in my area, we start at 7:30, and if one table is available, we can be stuck shooting until 11:30 often, or even later on big tables. I can't continue to stay out that late, but don't want to be the first to bail.

Some of the races are just too long, IMO. Two SL4s in a race to three can take...a...long...time.

 

[wolfcookie]

I dont understand during a play off turn. how they can raise ya from a 6-7 the same darn day and put your team over the 23point they did it to my team and stopped us from going to vegas..IT WAS TRUE B/S