Liar, Liar case on fire...

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classiccues

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OK, so how many of you feel really safe that your cues would survive if your case was on fire, or in a very hot fire? I mean really, a lot of cases today are made from flammable materials, filled with cardboard, made from cloth that really isn't flame retardant..

But lets look at old faithful.. you know one of those cases that can't be as good as those made today because someone in a video says that they can't be.

THis case is a Fellini. Now would you think that a Fellini could survive a hot fire? It has been called the simple case, not much into it. Leather wrap, PVC core, felt dividers. But its the worse case on the planet because your cues rattle....

Fellini's might be a little better than people think....

Pic 1: doesn't look bad,,,

Pic 2: Well see the curve...

Pic 3.. totally fried.

Notice the leather splits, and the warpage of the tube. How hot do you think it was in that enclosed tube? What about the cue? Disaster...?!?!?

The owner had this in the back of a car after parking over a dry bunch of leaves. Well the exhaust was hot enought to ignite the leaves and that's what caused the fire....

JV
 

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Well here is the cue that was in the case at the time of the fire. Its late 60's G. Balabushka and its pictured next to the new case that its kept in. Another Fellini.

So anyone want to do a burning case test? We can do a side by side... :D

JV
 

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so the fire completely incinerated one of the joint protectors? Fascinating. Kidding aside, I am glad the Balabushka is OK.
 
I will not be setting fire to my Fellini...... :yikes:

But it's good to know that the cue could be so well protected. Fellini is my favorite case and I feel fortunate to have one.


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Fellini

Great story,,great protection,, sad in a way the case is gone,,,but happy the cue is ok

What material is the new Fellini made out of??
 
Would it blow your mind if I said I thought it's possible that case could be restored? :smile:
 
9BallKing said:
Great story,,great protection,, sad in a way the case is gone,,,but happy the cue is ok

What material is the new Fellini made out of??
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That Fellini is mint, and the owner was very lucky to get it. Nice case.. I don't know if that is the Croc or sea turtle cover...

JV
 
classiccues said:
Well here is the cue that was in the case at the time of the fire. Its late 60's G. Balabushka and its pictured next to the new case that its kept in. Another Fellini.

So anyone want to do a burning case test? We can do a side by side... :D

JV
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What colors are on the bushka?

How much is the burnt case?
 
classiccues said:
Well here is the cue that was in the case at the time of the fire. Its late 60's G. Balabushka and its pictured next to the new case that its kept in. Another Fellini.

So anyone want to do a burning case test? We can do a side by side... :D

JV
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I'm glad the old Fellini took the heat and the Bushka survived. I'll just tool the flames into my cases, thank you....Besides I can't afford to burn up my truck for the cause:smile:
 
I can relate to Hot Case

I have a unknown case with cue and chalk , I used to keep in my Peterbuilt . Got a little warm now haveing trouble getting it out of the case . . Thanks Jim

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Jim Baxter said:
I have a unknown case with cue and chalk , I used to keep in my Peterbuilt . Got a little warm now haveing trouble getting it out of the case . Staight across would be nice , I wouldn't expect you to have to thro in anything extra . Thanks Jim

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New meaning to Barbe-CUE

JV
 
classiccues said:
OK, so how many of you feel really safe that your cues would survive if your case was on fire, or in a very hot fire? I mean really, a lot of cases today are made from flammable materials, filled with cardboard, made from cloth that really isn't flame retardant..

But lets look at old faithful.. you know one of those cases that can't be as good as those made today because someone in a video says that they can't be.

THis case is a Fellini. Now would you think that a Fellini could survive a hot fire? It has been called the simple case, not much into it. Leather wrap, PVC core, felt dividers. But its the worse case on the planet because your cues rattle....

Fellini's might be a little better than people think....

Pic 1: doesn't look bad,,,

Pic 2: Well see the curve...

Pic 3.. totally fried.

Notice the leather splits, and the warpage of the tube. How hot do you think it was in that enclosed tube? What about the cue? Disaster...?!?!?

The owner had this in the back of a car after parking over a dry bunch of leaves. Well the exhaust was hot enought to ignite the leaves and that's what caused the fire....

JV
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I guess the "someone in a video" you are referring to is me. If you would be so kind as to post a link to the video where I said that Fellini cases are no good I'd appreciate it.

Meanwhile, this is the response I published on my blog back in April.

http://jbcases.com/caseblog/2012/04/26/cue-protection-matters-another-example/

This thread is a great reminder why cue protection matters. At the time when Fellini cases were made they were the best protection in cases.

Here is a page from one of the Fellini brochures.

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I have never and would never say that Fellini was a bad case or not protective. What I have said is that I feel we have improved on them and I am not the only one who feels this way.

If our GTF case had been in the same fire I full y expect that it would have protected the cue at least as well or perhaps even a little better. The interior temperature was certainly a LOT less than the exterior temperature which is to be expected as leather,plastic and fabric are all insulators. Only until the fire burned through to the fabric would the temperature rise significantly inside the tube.

Anyone can do a simple test with a blow torch and an out door thermometer from the hardware store, one with a long wire to measure the temperature. Put the sensor in a heavy plastic tube and use the blow torch to melt the outside of the tube and watch the temperature. You will see very little movement inside the tube until the plastic is completely melted away.

I understand that you had wished to make an insult to me with this post Joe but actually you made my point rather well that protection matters. Bob Hemphil knew it and used nice thick tubes and we know it. Had this cue been kept in a case with thinner plastic or perhaps a case wrapped in vinyl instead of leather then it's highly likely that the flames and heat would have reached the cue with a different result.

Protection matters and here we see a great example of why.
 
JB Cases said:
I guess the "someone in a video" you are referring to is me. If you would be so kind as to post a link to the video where I said that Fellini cases are no good I'd appreciate it.

Meanwhile, this is the response I published on my blog back in April.

http://jbcases.com/caseblog/2012/04/26/cue-protection-matters-another-example/
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First, this isn't the response you posted, you cowardly liar.

Second, throw your case into a fire and test it, if you think yours is as good. Prove it, here is a Fellini that had taken it full on, do the same with one of yours.

Its that simple. You think yours is as good, there is the test. BUT make sure you put a genunie Balabushka in it, if you can get someone that believes in your case to trust this test. But there will be nobdy that believes in your case this much, period. Not even you.

JV
 
classiccues said:
First, this isn't the response you posted, you cowardly liar.

Second, throw your case into a fire and test it, if you think yours is as good. Prove it, here is a Fellini that had taken it full on, do the same with one of yours.

Its that simple. You think yours is as good, there is the test. BUT make sure you put a genunie Balabushka in it, if you can get someone that believes in your case to trust this test. But there will be nobdy that believes in your case this much, period. Not even you.

JV
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You are correct, this is actually this is the edited version of the response and was edited a few days after it was first published. The first version was a little bit harsher and not entirely on topic given our personal differences. In the first response I had put in some accusations that were not pertinent to the topic. Accusations that I stand behind but which didn't need to be in that piece.

I will be happy to do a side by side as you suggested. The most expensive cue I own is $1800 and I will be happy to build a bonfire and put a GTF on it right beside your Fellini with a cue of equal value in it.

You find out how long the case was in the fire and we can put both cases in the fire for an equal amount of time. We will then see which of us believes in the case or not. Frankly I don't know the exact circumstances here and so I can't know what exactly the case was subjected to. But even so I will be willing to fully immerse our GTF case into a roaring fire right alongside a Fellini case that you provide with the most expensive cue I own in it as long as you also provide a cue of equal value.

We can do this in the parking lot at the upcoming SBE. If you will ship your case and cue to a mutally agreed upon third party for escrow I will do the same and we can let the engineers on the forum devise and carry out the test.

Alternatively and perhaps more scientifically sound we should probably both purchase production cues of the same brand and model to test with. That way the build of the cue isn't a factor and the test is to see which cue if any suffers damage. I will match whatever you want to spend and we can each buy from the same maker.

Now having said that I honestly do not think that our case will do any worse than a Fellini and I have never said Fellini is a bad case or anything close to that. But I will be more than happy to allow you to destroy a Fellini if you think it will prove some point.

Just let me know if you want to do this and when you are ready to send the case and cue to escrow.
 
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