Light vs heavy cue
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Your thread title says weight differences. What weight differences are you thinking about? What's light? What's heavy?
I think in general changing cues for different games is a mistake. If you are really playing well, your cue becomes part of your arm.
I would make an exception if the balls and tables are changing, so you might want a different cue for carom or snooker.
Bob said it all i think.
He lied about that Osmium by the way.
He isn't Dense.
He lied about that Osmium by the way.
He isn't Dense.
I think between 18 and 20 oz are more of a personal preference issue, including preference of more forward vs. more rear balance points and won't affect whether or not the person is playing 8 ball or 9 ball.
But once you get below 18 vs. above 20, you do feel a pretty significant difference. I guess it's possible that one of those might feel better in 8 ball or 9 ball, but I've never heard of anyone who plays at a high level saying they switch cues for those games. If you really could play 8 or 9 ball significantly better with different weighted cues, I'm sure the top players would already be doing it. As far as I know, they're not.
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Zerksies
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I think switching any cue regularly is a mistake. A cue should be an extension of your arm. Their is nothing i can do in 9 ball that i can't do in 8 ball that a diffirent cue would fix.
I find it strange that guys walk around with 4x8 & 6x12 cases and they use every single cue regularly in that bag. I try to use a minimal as possible a 3x5 case. Player with two shafts, break cue and jump cue. And the jump cue is a novelity to me.
I find it strange that guys walk around with 4x8 & 6x12 cases and they use every single cue regularly in that bag. I try to use a minimal as possible a 3x5 case. Player with two shafts, break cue and jump cue. And the jump cue is a novelity to me.
dquarasr
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The Lion says he plays with different cues for 1p and 9b because in the former he moves the CB in tight spaces, and in the latter he needs more power to move the CB greater distances. (I would equate 8b more to 1p and 14.1 than 9 or 10b.)
It could be because Alex employs a very compact stroke.
(His cues are the same weight but balanced differently and one has a metal joint.)
snookered_again
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The best cue depends on how heavy the gravity is and measuring them with a scale will just be relative, a 18 oz cue will weigh the same anywhere on earth if you transport the cue and the scale together.
Gravity also changes seasonally and depends upon the weather.
Heres an expanation byt hte scientists at MIT
www.technologyreview.com
Gravity also changes seasonally and depends upon the weather.
Heres an expanation byt hte scientists at MIT
Can Earth’s gravity really be affected by changes in the seasons?
Your space questions, answered.
www.technologyreview.com
Working with torque tools and torque calibration equipment for a few decades, I believe your statement isn't 100% accurate.The best cue depends on how heavy the gravity is and measuring them with a scale will just be relative, a 18 oz cue will weigh the same anywhere on earth if you transport the cue and the scale together.
Gravity also changes seasonally and depends upon the weather.
Heres an expanation byt hte scientists at MIT
Can Earth’s gravity really be affected by changes in the seasons?
Your space questions, answered.
Simply explained:
In order to calibrate a torque wrench, the wrench is loaded on a mechanical device called a Loader. The Loader is connected to a torque transducer which gives the torque readings.
The Torque Transducer is calibrated using a carefully balanced arm. Picture a SeeSaw One side there's the transducer, on the other side there's physical weights. Picture barbell weights. These barbell weights are meticulously calibrated on very sensitive and calibrated scales.
When a manufacturer of these mechanical arms builds on of these for some place 1000 or 10,000 miles away, the physical weights are adjusted to the customer's GPS location. Meaning the barbell weights will weigh differently, depending on where you are from where they were manufactured if not adjusted.
All that said, I'd be surprised, but maybe I'm wrong, that a 20oz cue would weigh in New York would change more than 1/4oz.
A $75K arm and weights would be totally rejected if it were off by 1/4oz BTW
snookered_again
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plumb bobs are also affected by the position of the moon, so its important to take the moon into account as well.. ;-) It makes sense because that's what drives the tides. , the moon has it's own gravitational pull..
if you string up a plumb bob from a high place with no crosswind affecting it, you can watch the thing move as the moon does so it can be an indicator of the moon's position.
also interesting that the earth is spinning so the further you are from the axis, the weaker gravity is. a satellite is suspended by being in orbit.. , then the gravitational pull is approximately equalized by the opposing gyroscopic effect of it's orbit.
the equator is further from the axis so it stands to reason that the gravitational pull is less in the same way that an object decreases in gravity as it is placed further from the axis of earth. there is a stronger gyroscopic effect at the equator than at the poles where it is nearer to the earth's axis..
level is changing constantly as well , the level is perpendicular to the plumb bob which is not a fixed position.. so its important that you re- level your pool table every day, to account for the effects of these changing conditions..
if your pool game is off you can just blame the moon and the constantly changing gravitational pull and you can complain that the pool table hasn't been adjusted for today's gravity.
now you know why on some days your game is perfect and on other days you cant; make a shot, It can all be based upon on the changes in gravity !
the older I get the harder it is to carry the groceries home , this proves that the gravity is ever increasing,, well that just makes sense..
Every time an asteroid hits earth , even if it is vaporized before impact, it increases the weight of the earth , this constantly increases gravity. throughout ones lifetime. when you sere a shooting star that's more matter entering our atmosphere.. They never leave, they only land, thus the gravitational pull is ever increasing.
so why s a pool table flat and not curved like the earth is? in theory the balls would act properly if it were curved, that way the gravitational pull would be more uniform across it's surface, right? the ocean is round, its not flat. If you dont believe me just look at a globe ;-)
if you string up a plumb bob from a high place with no crosswind affecting it, you can watch the thing move as the moon does so it can be an indicator of the moon's position.
also interesting that the earth is spinning so the further you are from the axis, the weaker gravity is. a satellite is suspended by being in orbit.. , then the gravitational pull is approximately equalized by the opposing gyroscopic effect of it's orbit.
the equator is further from the axis so it stands to reason that the gravitational pull is less in the same way that an object decreases in gravity as it is placed further from the axis of earth. there is a stronger gyroscopic effect at the equator than at the poles where it is nearer to the earth's axis..
level is changing constantly as well , the level is perpendicular to the plumb bob which is not a fixed position.. so its important that you re- level your pool table every day, to account for the effects of these changing conditions..
if your pool game is off you can just blame the moon and the constantly changing gravitational pull and you can complain that the pool table hasn't been adjusted for today's gravity.
now you know why on some days your game is perfect and on other days you cant; make a shot, It can all be based upon on the changes in gravity !
the older I get the harder it is to carry the groceries home , this proves that the gravity is ever increasing,, well that just makes sense..
Every time an asteroid hits earth , even if it is vaporized before impact, it increases the weight of the earth , this constantly increases gravity. throughout ones lifetime. when you sere a shooting star that's more matter entering our atmosphere.. They never leave, they only land, thus the gravitational pull is ever increasing.
so why s a pool table flat and not curved like the earth is? in theory the balls would act properly if it were curved, that way the gravitational pull would be more uniform across it's surface, right? the ocean is round, its not flat. If you dont believe me just look at a globe ;-)
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From the Poles to the Equator, due to the difference in Earth's diameter at those two places (about 27 miles), the difference in gravity is less than 1/2 percent - for a 20 oz cue that's less than 1/10 of an oz. I think that’s the biggest difference on Earth.
pj
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It depends on the type of scale. A balance-beam scale is measuring mass against mass so it is not affected by the local gravity. Typical bathroom scales are force scales, and the weight of an object will read less in a lower gravity situation.
i'll keep that mind next time i'm weighing cue while in outer space.
Use caution when thinking of a cue stroke like a plumb bob. The cue ball is struck near the bottom of the pendulum, and a good stroke has a straight-line motion, even if slight, through impact.
I wonder how many players have destroyed the chance for a good stroke by striving for a pure pendulum stroke.
So all you have to do is set up with the tip near the CB and the forearm perpendicular to your stick, and it’s automatic.
pj
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snookered_again
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I heard trump trying to convince the public that poor people who cross into the US from other countries looking for a better life for themselves, are violent and then used one or two specific examples to try to make his point and cause paranoia about the border issues..
Its basically the same as the examples above , you can say something that is true in essence but if people don't take the actual numbers into account , well there are many uneducated people who are so easily misled.
then the opposing party replies that the statistics show that these new immigrants are not causing much crime in fact by looking at a larger pool of data they find that in actuality
an immigrant is actually less likely to cause crime than established resident Americans.
anyone whit half a brain or any scientific knowledge at all will know about tolerances.. of course the pool cue measures the same anywhere on earth for all intents and purposes. Someone can be fooled though , by not having the ability to weigh things up in a reasonable manor, yes it is true that things weigh differently on different parts of the globe.. The part you can overlook is that the difference is so slight that although true , it is irrelevant data. the difference in weight is not enough to be relevant.
so you have people watching the news which is basically a drama show and they look into one or two horrible circumstances and the uneducated are led into believing that "immigrants are a threat." or quite a number of other purely ridiculous fallacies.
someone with any sort of education would hear that and instantly realize that you are basing an "argument" upon a very small portion of the new immigrants and that examining one or a few cases means nothing substantial. the dataset is quite obviously too small to have any reasonable significance.
someone with a very weak education would look at those few examples and fail to make the somewhat obvious connection.
There are actually quite a large number of immigrants So examining only a few special cases means nothing substantial. News teams which are not impartial may even play into the drama which is also introduced, highlighting those cases. looking into how horrible one or two specific cases was, thats intridusing drama, to make thier intended point.
The uneducated feel that is also substantial information, and fall for the ploy hook line and sinker.
I'm seeing a lot fo examples like this in the news and media.. so my point of it all was just to think before you jump to believing assumptions which you are led into.. You need to make decisions yoursef about what data is reasonable and what is purely being constructed and presented in creative ways.
Are there really that many stupd people out there. Yes this seems very sad but it is also quite true. quite a large portion of the US population is actually not very well educated, maybe even enough to sway an election. .That is a scary thought.
Its basically the same as the examples above , you can say something that is true in essence but if people don't take the actual numbers into account , well there are many uneducated people who are so easily misled.
then the opposing party replies that the statistics show that these new immigrants are not causing much crime in fact by looking at a larger pool of data they find that in actuality
an immigrant is actually less likely to cause crime than established resident Americans.
anyone whit half a brain or any scientific knowledge at all will know about tolerances.. of course the pool cue measures the same anywhere on earth for all intents and purposes. Someone can be fooled though , by not having the ability to weigh things up in a reasonable manor, yes it is true that things weigh differently on different parts of the globe.. The part you can overlook is that the difference is so slight that although true , it is irrelevant data. the difference in weight is not enough to be relevant.
so you have people watching the news which is basically a drama show and they look into one or two horrible circumstances and the uneducated are led into believing that "immigrants are a threat." or quite a number of other purely ridiculous fallacies.
someone with any sort of education would hear that and instantly realize that you are basing an "argument" upon a very small portion of the new immigrants and that examining one or a few cases means nothing substantial. the dataset is quite obviously too small to have any reasonable significance.
someone with a very weak education would look at those few examples and fail to make the somewhat obvious connection.
There are actually quite a large number of immigrants So examining only a few special cases means nothing substantial. News teams which are not impartial may even play into the drama which is also introduced, highlighting those cases. looking into how horrible one or two specific cases was, thats intridusing drama, to make thier intended point.
The uneducated feel that is also substantial information, and fall for the ploy hook line and sinker.
I'm seeing a lot fo examples like this in the news and media.. so my point of it all was just to think before you jump to believing assumptions which you are led into.. You need to make decisions yoursef about what data is reasonable and what is purely being constructed and presented in creative ways.
Are there really that many stupd people out there. Yes this seems very sad but it is also quite true. quite a large portion of the US population is actually not very well educated, maybe even enough to sway an election. .That is a scary thought.
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snookered_again
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That makes sense Bob
Here's a similar situation
with old clocks.
there are two ways of winding them, one is by lifting a weight on a chain. the other is to wind a spring.
The clock that is run by a weight runs at a constant and consistent speed. the one wound by a spring runs faster when fully wound and then slower as the spring unwinds.
if you set and check and adjust both clocks, they can run quite accurately but it is important that the spring wound one is wound checked and adjusted on a consistent time basis , once a week , once a day etc.
even when you get the spring wound clock set absolutely perfectly , if it were wound too often, it would run faster than the weight driven clock.
the speed of the chain operated clock is linear, the other is working on a variable speed , although slight.
in the same way a balance beam scale is linear. a scale that opposes a spring encounters a different amount of tension depending upon the weight placed upon it. it opposes the spring instead of a weight, so the tighter the spring is wound, the more tension it has. Its not linear.. You can paint the face to attempt to compensate for it's non linear action
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snookered_again
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sure good points but does anyone really have a perfectly straight stroke? I bet most are making a compensation even though it is important..
and if you play pool in space, hang onto your balls ;-)