Little help with an old Joss Limited cue?

imagingbydave

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I got this cue in the summer of 1991 and was hoping someone could give me some info on it. The guy i bought it from said he won it in a tournment so my guess is that it predates the 90's. i had no reason to doubt him because he worked at one of Loree Jon's billiards in Hillsborough NJ and was pretty good . the logo has the word limited under the joss logo and the joint is not metal, looks more like a fiber resin...any help would be greatly apprieciated. Also what does the word "limited" mean when it is in the Joss logo?
 

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Wish I could help you on the ID, but I can't...what I can do is say that is one SWEET looking Joss...one like I've never seen before!
 
Dan Janes could only tell me that he made it, couldn't give me much more on it...I really don't blame him for his non commital response, he made thousands of them since 68
 
Dan Janes could only tell me that he made it, couldn't give me much more on it...I really don't blame him for his non commital response, he made thousands of them since 68

Oops...didn't see this post when I responded to the PM...

There's a lot of Joss lovers on here...and one is bound to have some info...I'll be curious to see what's chimed in with regards to this one...I like it!
 
logo and joint

sorry for the quality of the photo's. but i have never seen any other joss cues with this logo and joint
 

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My buddy has a fairly fancy Joss that also has that same joint. Until now it was the only one I had seen.
 
I'll ask him and look at it next week at league. I doubt he knows. Only reason I noticed it was because the joint was unusual for a Joss. I know he bought it unused but the guy said it had been sitting in his pro shop for decades.
 
does he know what year it was from? and what the word "limited" indicates in the logo?

With the word Limited, means there weren't to many made. Does the shaft fit right at the joint? I've never seen a chamfer that big on a Joss joint.

I'll try and find some information.

I'm sure Chopdoc will be here soon to comment since it is a Joss.:wink:
 
Wow. Nice cue.

The Limited logo means just that...limited production. But I have no idea how many. Just a hint though, the fact that you are posting it on AZB and people have not seen one before....and they like it...means it is a special cue in my book.

I don't know the date but as you say, pre-nineties, but I don't think by much. Mid to late eighties...I think.

Value?

Depends on how bad you want to sell and how bad somebody wants it. I can tell you if circumstances were different for me I would be a buyer for sure. I am not a haggler and would probably pay you what you ask within reason if I had the cash. The thing is, the pool community at large tend to be haggling types, so look for a lot of offers and don't be put off by some low ones, just smile and say no thank you to the low-ballers.

The market is depressed but I think you have a special cue there and should command a healthy price. Start asking in the range of what you were advised in PM and expect to entertain offers. I am thinking the real selling price would be 3/4 of that...but I am guessing....and I hate estimating values because I am always wrong (according to one person or another).

As for the joint, I have seen others with that joint, but never one with such a big chamfer on it...I find that odd actually. Certainly JOSS did produce cues with such joints and I have been eager to own one myself for years.


The design of the cue is striking and I think very impressive. I love it that so many people often have an attitude of "oh yeah...another JOSS" and then they are surprised when these cues come up. To me, cues like this represent the work of JOSS in that time period. Beautiful, well made, excellent players, and full of a rich cue making heritage.


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I have one with same forearm, same point, same fiber-joint different endbutt, i remember to see Nick Warner model with same forearm !!!..Great cue!!!
Mycue
 
Try this as a starting point...

This looks like a similar design. In the past while looking on Joss' web site, I have seen some of the "Customs" with the same forearms and different butts. (or at least close enough where I thought they were the same)
Take a look at the 94-12 cue here. There are a few more in that series with the same joint as well.

http://www.josscues.com/cue_archives/Archive/html/94_html/94-12.html

My guess is that Mr. Janes may have done a limited run for a different distributor (similar to some cues only available at certain web sites now...)

When I got my 95-09, I saw some of the 94 series cues with phenolic joints. I didn't care for the look of them then, so I didn't pay them much attention.
The 95-09 that I got when shopping that year has a butt sleeve that appears to be white linen based material. '93 to '94 seems like the right time frame for that joint material.

Check the Joss archives. You may find an exact match.
Good luck.
Jeremy
 
Thanks for everyones thoughts and help on this one. the closest (and i can't believe i missed it on the joss archive) was the 94-12. Thats exactly where dan janes pointed me a few years back. My big dilema is that the cue was bought used in 91 (can't prove thats when i got it, but i only tended bar once in my life from 4/91-11/91 and i paid for it out of my tip jar). so i think chopdock was pretty much on the money on this one. All th 94's had the joss logo in gold on the butt, none said limited in black. the 94-12 had the same forearm but the dimond inlays were angled not straight up and down on the cue. I was really just curious about it and am glad it made a good thread. I was really not looking to sell it, just figure out what i had.. If anyone wants to PM me an offer, I might entertain it. thanks for all your input
 

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It does resemble the 94 series and I went through the archive before I commented, so I did see that.

I do believe I have seen earlier cues with such styling, earlier than the 94 series. And I believe their numbers are few.

I tried to find examples in my own pics, but I failed. There was one for sale within the last year but I must have failed to save a pic of it. It was a late eighties cue with that joint but a plain BEM forearm. It was labeled a JOSS Limited I think.

As I said the chamfer bothers me though. I didn't think the earlier ones had that...but I could be wrong and I have not actually held one in my hands for at least 15 years, so memory could be playing tricks.

I believe the Brunswick models also had the phenolic joint collar by the way.



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Joss Limited

I've got an Joss Limited, seems to be from the 94' series, too....94-9...but has the Joss Limited Logo and a different colour. The Cue has many birdeyes...maybe they took better wood, something different and called it "Limited"...

limited1.jpg


limited2.jpg


limited3.jpg
 
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