Long Ahead or 15-20 Game Sets? (long)

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I think long ahead high stakes (over 5k) sets that last over five hours are bad for the players. They get burnt out faster playing them. It takes forever to get them set up. You're putting all your eggs in one basket so to speak. If you've made a bad match-up you wind up playing for many hours when you already know the probable outcome after a dozen games or so.

I believe the better way to go for the top action players are races to 15-20 for $1000, $2000, and $3000 a set. Don't agree to anymore than two sets at a time. Your going to be in action a lot more than with long ahead sets and by the end of the year you will have probably played for more money. Also when you play for long $5,000-$10,000 sets everyone in the world hears about it. If you win a few in a row no one want to match-up with you w/o a huge spot that you have to play your best, get the rolls, and the planets have to be aligned just right to win. A top player that's smart in the matching up department can stay in action (hopefully with his/her own money) most of the time. I also believe that more players would retire with some kind of savings if they were in action every day instead of at the casino, card rooms (Internet also), and dog and horse tracks. Most of them really are horrible at it.

I was never a top player anytime in my over 50 years of playing. Shortstops could give me the 7&8 on a nine footer when I was playing my best. On a bar table ...not so much. I hardly ever played for more than $20 a game. I liked to play by the game and play a few players a night. The other game I liked was ring games that went on all day and night. If I had a good week I might go looking to buy a car or two at a steal that needed a trans (I could rebuild them myself) and/or a cheap paint job and triple my money at least re selling them. Over the years I started many small businesses with pool profits From 1976 to 2002 I bought close to 200 Racing Greyhounds that I leased out all over the country. Some were $2000- $4000 pups and some were $25,000 NGA Auction purchases that I would take in partners for. And yes I was lucky enough to hit a few homeruns in the Greyhound business. I own Dodgem By Design, winner of the $85,000 Derby Lane Sprint Classic and other stakes races. Sorry for the long post but what I'm trying to say is you can make money in pool and grow it if you think out of the box. Johnnyt
 
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ahead sets FTW imo. The better player in that spot wins them a lot more, and that's the whole point of them - REALLY determining who is better in that game.

If you put yourself in a bad spot, oh well, you're not the better person in that game and you're going to lose, because that's what an ahead set is good for :)
Just think about it from the winners side, the ahead sets are MUCH better, and I like to think of myself as the player on the winning side so I'll always like them.

Races to X (even if that X is really long) aren't giving the better player the best chance to win.


When you really want to take out as much luck as possible, ahead sets are the nuts.
 
I agree with you AZE that long sets playing even takes out most of the luck. But two very close to even top players are still going to come out different from week to week still. I think the railbirds and the bankers want to see long sets because the railbirds can watch action anytime night or day. The bankers want it because the stakes are almost always high and the players (except for a few) need bankers.

I was pointing out what was better for the players money wise and health wise IMO. I played plenty of 24 hour plus 14.1 sets over the years and the best player doesn't have to win. It mostly depended on their age, who had more stamina, or who had the best drugs and knew how to take them. That's not the best pool player. Johnnyt
 
In theory,I think the "X-ahead" sets favor the better, more fit player. It brings in the variables that shorter sets might not, such as fatigue etc. Unfortunatly, IMO, The longer sets for the bigger monies also bring in the chemistry majors. Too many times, I think that the winner of the set is not determined by the best player, but by the guy that gets his mixture right at the right time. For me, I'd rather watch two working stiffs post up the money earned working 50 hours in a factory. Watch'em bang it around for half a week's pay. These are the true gamblers IMO.
 
It favors the player poppin pills.
Or the one who can take em the most and longest.
 
AZE said:
ahead sets FTW imo. The better player in that spot wins them a lot more, and that's the whole point of them - REALLY determining who is better in that game.

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your right and wrong(not knocking you were friends) lemme esplain sumptin,,,

your right ahead sets do show who the better player is that night, if a 10 ahead set lasts 5 hours then it shows it was a mismatch, i just played in one and was down 14 in 5 hours, shoulda been down about 8 but thats another topic, who I played is clearly a better player all the time. Now id a 10 ahead set lasts 15 hours it "usually" shows perhaps who the better player is, but 100% shows who has the most stamina, I cant play that long no matter what even when my back was fine I fall apart like a cheap suit after 6-8 hours-no matter what. So yeah it 90% o the time shows who the best player is and awalys shows who the best man was that night, but not wno is the best overall, you need more than one 10 ahead set to prove that, I have seen guys lock horns for a minth and play several 10 ahead sets and win fast or lose fast you just never know,

to add to this for perspective, Shane Mosley the boxer is a friend of mine and he told me once, some nights your just flat and cant "gat off" thats the boxing term for getting to the punch first, he says you know that by the 2nd or 3rd round and there aint anything you can do about it your just flat that night-thas a direct quote, I was talking to him and Diego Corallias(RIP) about that, these guys have to show up fight night and he said its a matter of luck how you come out, as gambling pool players we have a chance to see how we are playing that day, the tournment chamions dont they have to be ready and sharp when their match is called.


what I disagree with you about pool isnt proving whos better when your in action its about winning the $$$, who's better is meaningless for a seasoned gambler, i'm not a great player but have beat guys alot better than me becasue I managed the game right to make sure I got the $$$, also I have mismanaged my games and been a much better player and lost.


I dont gamble to see if I'm better I gamble to make $$$, hell if I can get to Efren and get the $$$ then I'm the winner but not the better player, being the winner and the better player are 2 different things. Ask Cardone, I hope he sees this post, i put alot of business out there, bak in the day before the internet, this kind of stuff wasnt made for the world to read it was something to be learned, "paying your dues"

so whats your objective to be the best or win?, its 2 different things,


again your my friend and please dont take this the wrong way i'm just sharing some stuff that took me years to learn, Fatboy aint a champion or close, but if I can help people with my experience then I did a good thing, thats my goal. I talk to top top top champions about this and they teach me things and I teach them things too, its all about growth and positive things not being a negitative nit, thats why i left pool 14 years ago, and now that i'm back its all about helping others and learning too.

fatboy
 
sliprock said:
In theory,I think the "X-ahead" sets favor the better, more fit player. It brings in the variables that shorter sets might not, such as fatigue etc. Unfortunatly, IMO, The longer sets for the bigger monies also bring in the chemistry majors. Too many times, I think that the winner of the set is not determined by the best player, but by the guy that gets his mixture right at the right time. For me, I'd rather watch two working stiffs post up the money earned working 50 hours in a factory. Watch'em bang it around for half a week's pay. These are the true gamblers IMO.
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I agree sliprock. I like to watch two working stiffs that are both A players duke it out for a weeks salary. Johnnyt
 
Fatboy said:
your right and wrong(not knocking you were friends) lemme esplain sumptin,,,

your right ahead sets do show who the better player is that night, if a 10 ahead set lasts 5 hours then it shows it was a mismatch, i just played in one and was down 14 in 5 hours, shoulda been down about 8 but thats another topic, who I played is clearly a better player all the time. Now id a 10 ahead set lasts 15 hours it "usually" shows perhaps who the better player is, but 100% shows who has the most stamina, I cant play that long no matter what even when my back was fine I fall apart like a cheap suit after 6-8 hours-no matter what. So yeah it 90% o the time shows who the best player is and awalys shows who the best man was that night, but not wno is the best overall, you need more than one 10 ahead set to prove that, I have seen guys lock horns for a minth and play several 10 ahead sets and win fast or lose fast you just never know,

to add to this for perspective, Shane Mosley the boxer is a friend of mine and he told me once, some nights your just flat and cant "gat off" thats the boxing term for getting to the punch first, he says you know that by the 2nd or 3rd round and there aint anything you can do about it your just flat that night-thas a direct quote, I was talking to him and Diego Corallias(RIP) about that, these guys have to show up fight night and he said its a matter of luck how you come out, as gambling pool players we have a chance to see how we are playing that day, the tournment chamions dont they have to be ready and sharp when their match is called.


what I disagree with you about pool isnt proving whos better when your in action its about winning the $$$, who's better is meaningless for a seasoned gambler, i'm not a great player but have beat guys alot better than me becasue I managed the game right to make sure I got the $$$, also I have mismanaged my games and been a much better player and lost.


I dont gamble to see if I'm better I gamble to make $$$, hell if I can get to Efren and get the $$$ then I'm the winner but not the better player, being the winner and the better player are 2 different things. Ask Cardone, I hope he sees this post, i put alot of business out there, bak in the day before the internet, this kind of stuff wasnt made for the world to read it was something to be learned, "paying your dues"

so whats your objective to be the best or win?, its 2 different things,


again your my friend and please dont take this the wrong way i'm just sharing some stuff that took me years to learn, Fatboy aint a champion or close, but if I can help people with my experience then I did a good thing, thats my goal. I talk to top top top champions about this and they teach me things and I teach them things too, its all about growth and positive things not being a negitative nit, thats why i left pool 14 years ago, and now that i'm back its all about helping others and learning too.

fatboy
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I agree with what you said about Mosely telling you that some nights you got it and some nights you don?t. I boxed amatuer for about 30 fights back in the late 1950?s and early 1960?s and can tell you no matter how hard you train and how bad you want to win, some nights you just can?t get in your rhythm. Your timing is a hair off. It?s like that in pool and most sports for that matter. When your at the top of your sport just being a little off (late with your swing in baseball, timing a wee bit off, or can?t get completly into the moment) your done at that level. Johnnyt
 
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