Looks like Zac Cues pulled a DP

My opinion

The lowest price possible may only be referenced to this cue only. I am pretty certain that the seller is not the same person as the maker.
For what it is worth the Scott Zachow cue that I had owned was a well made cue with a nice finish. I would not hesitate to buy another Zachow if the design was to my liking.
 
He states that this is the official Zachow site authorised by Scott Zachow. He further states"Scott is offering this .....". Hard to not connect the seller and maker after reading those statements.
The fact that selling new cues on Ebay kills the value is indisputable,regardless of the quality of the product.
 
how was zac doing before this move? i havent seen many ppl with his cues so i cant really get mad at him for doing this. dp on the other hand had enough customers that he didnt need to do the ebay thing. this is all from what i can see tho, there might be other explanations.

also, it's only 1 listing so far so its not so bad. maybe he just wants to put a cue up for sale once in a while, not like sigel and dp who run a store on there.
 
Danktrees said:
how was zac doing before this move? i havent seen many ppl with his cues so i cant really get mad at him for doing this. dp on the other hand had enough customers that he didnt need to do the ebay thing. this is all from what i can see tho, there might be other explanations.

also, it's only 1 listing so far so its not so bad. maybe he just wants to put a cue up for sale once in a while, not like sigel and dp who run a store on there.
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Right. Greg Sirca puts out one a month or so and Clint Putnam every
3 months or so.( on EBAY) Not exactly like what DP is doing.
I really like my DP's and used to defend him but the rate he's
putting them on EBAY has gotten ridiculous.
Let's give Zachow the benefit of the doubt for a while.
 
definitely not DP

The last round of cues by Zac offered by this seller was over a year ago. I know because I was outbid on one of them. Unless he starts offering all of his cues through Ebay, I think he is just doing it for a small amount of publicity.
 
tlcff8 said:
The last round of cues by Zac offered by this seller was over a year ago. I know because I was outbid on one of them. Unless he starts offering all of his cues through Ebay, I think he is just doing it for a small amount of publicity.
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The seller, periodically, sell Zac cues on eBay. I've seen his listing just few months ago.

I don't think this model is same as DP as this seller only sells very minor portion of available cues through eBay. Some more desirable cues available directly from Zachow is not offered by this seller on eBay.
 
I guess I am the only one who read the auction description,or noone else lends any credence to the seller's statements. That being said,do you think the exposure Ebay offers offsets the devaluation of the product?
 
I don't necessarily think so. The comments in ebay concern me a little as well, but not enough to spoil dinner, if you know what I mean. The cue market is very slow right now as you can see, and second hand cues are not bringing much over 50-60% of retail, except for the upper end stuff from the most well known cuemakers. I currently have, from what I have been told, the fanciest, or one of the fanciest Zacs ever made. It is noted on his website with ivory points inlays, joint, butt sleeve, and butt cap. Great cue, but will it bring near what it sold for new? Not a chance. So, if you think that is undercutting someone else, I am not sure. As far as I can tell, he doesn't have a dealer network that he is undercutting. That was the biggest issued with DP when he started selling on ebay. As far as I know, Scott hasn't done that.
 
The DP analogy might be off base,and I realise the market is soft. Maybe this is the only dealer he has,for that matter. I just hate to see new cues hit the auction block,used is O.K. The value just plumments when they are listed.
 
i dont think it's a big deal if one or two show up. i mean, i see great deals on here all the time (like the omen for $250) i dont think it will de-value the cuemakers cues if one or two of them get put up every few months which seems to be what zac is doing according to others. and even tho the guy is his dealer, its not a huge deal since he's not selling hundreds of them for cheap.
 
Zac Cues

I bought a very nice Tulipwood Zac cue from Albert back in February of 2006. Very good guy to do business with and my unsterstanding is that he is a friend of Zac's and lives close to Zac over on Vancouver Island, BC

In the past year I can't remember seeing more than a couple cues on EBAY from Zac.

I think alot of cuemakers have tried using EBAY as a way of getting some exposure for their cues....IMHO it makes sense to me as long as they aren't hurting a dealer or saturating the market ;)
 
I agree that it is OK for makers like Zac and Sirca to drop one on ebay every once in a while for a little publicity. New cuemakers need to expose their poduct and style somehow. They also need to make a pay a few bills every now and then. We all know dp is in a class by himself with his "marketing scheme"
 
hi, i am pretty new at this forum. but i am collector from germany, for me it is a great opportunity to get a cue from zac for this price. i thin he personally would never sell me a cue for that price and it is very hard to knoe his quality before seeing and hitting cues from him. in the last few years there are a lot of new cuemakers coming out, also in europe (arthur, eurowest, ...), but i think the most of you guys will never buy one from a german directly, becuase its very difficult and they are as expensive as others.
 
Nice cues...

As it was stated earlier by another poster, I personally don't feel that it is a "DP" move for a cuemaker to occasionally list a cue for sale on Ebay. The DP issue has always been about his undercutting his dealers. I don't see Zac or Sirca doing that. Zac makes a very nice cue, from what I have seen. I had this 8 point snakewood, ivory and elephant wrap cue for a while, and I don't believe I have seen a nicer cue...certainly not for what I bought (and sold) this cue for...it was a real stunner.
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I guess your post sums up the point I was making about the Ebay auction. That auction did nothing to increase the value of your Zac,nor his, for that matter. Phrases like "the lowest price" ,"no other dealer will beat my price","authorized by Scott Zachow himself",devalue a fine craftsman's work. When you say the nicest cue for the least ammount of money,both bought and sold,assures that the prices for the man's work are on the way down,not up. How can he continue to produce a quality product under these circumstances? I think the profit margin was allready very slim,and now we expect even better deals from him? What is better for the player and collector,even lower prices than we are experiencing now? I think quality will suffer and force talented people into another venue. Maybe this is a good thing,maybe not. I have watched this cuemakers product for a while,his prices should be rising. Unfortunatly they seem to be on the downslope. I think you all should reread the auction description to fully understand what point I was making. Exposure has been there on Ebay for the maker for several years,but the tone of the auction says lower prices for his cues are on the horizon.
 
hangemhigh said:
I guess your post sums up the point I was making about the Ebay auction. That auction did nothing to increase the value of your Zac,nor his, for that matter. Phrases like "the lowest price" ,"no other dealer will beat my price","authorized by Scott Zachow himself",devalue a fine craftsman's work. When you say the nicest cue for the least ammount of money,both bought and sold,assures that the prices for the man's work are on the way down,not up. How can he continue to produce a quality product under these circumstances? I think the profit margin was allready very slim,and now we expect even better deals from him? What is better for the player and collector,even lower prices than we are experiencing now? I think quality will suffer and force talented people into another venue. Maybe this is a good thing,maybe not. I have watched this cuemakers product for a while,his prices should be rising. Unfortunatly they seem to be on the downslope. I think you all should reread the auction description to fully understand what point I was making. Exposure has been there on Ebay for the maker for several years,but the tone of the auction says lower prices for his cues are on the horizon.
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SO if an eBay ad told you "hangemhigh" to go jump off the bridge, will you do it???
 
well, i'm not really sure what the fuss is all about. i think everyone agrees that right now is a depressed market for cues, it's good if you're buying and bad if you're selling. and that goes for new or used other than a select group of cuemakers who have a long waiting list and can sell everything they make. i don't think scott zachow is in that group.

that said, if every once in a while a cuemaker like scott zachow has some cues that are made and are not sold, what would you have them do? i puts a cue on ebay now and then, i'm sure to help supplement his income, what's wrong with that? you certainly cannot compare scott zachow to dale perry can you?

and how does it work out? well, i was the high (and only) bidder on the cue today. it is a style of cue that i have been looking to own for a while, it had all of the elements i like in wood and joint, and i couldn't pass up the price. to be honest with you, i would bet that scott zachow wishes hat cue went unsold. i bet he could get a lot more for that cue in a local pool hall. i don't know if cue making is the only source of income for scott, but either way i don't think he did anything wrong or anything that i wouldn't have done in his place.

not that it would happen, but what if searing, hercek, tascarella, or any of the other big names put a cue on ebay for themselves, would that be wrong? i think this is much ado about nothing in my opinion.

guy
 
hangemhigh - the stuff in the auction is meant to entice ppl to buy it. the guy can say he sells the cues cheaper than anyone else. it really doesnt matter, if he puts up 3,4 or 5 per year, even if his prices are cheaper than everyone elses, it's not going to hurt scott's sales immensely. if anything they should increase the value of the cues that were bought as theres such a limited amount of them available for that price. with dp it would be different since all of his cues are at that price. if scott puts out a few each year at a lower cost, it'll increase his exposure and those that he sold for less would appreciate in value for their owners.

joe - that zac cue looks amazing...too bad u sold it or i'd be interested. how much did u sell it for if u dont mind my asking.
 
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