Low deflection ferrule material for Carbon shafts.

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I am looking for what you guys are using for ferrule material and carbon shafts. I really like the hit of the saber t by Tiger but the deflection is a little high. I have tried a few different types that I had some rods of laying around and none of those were any good either. Just looking for a little help to see if I can make it better or if the tube is causing it.. Thank you.
 
CaptainBly said:
I am looking for what you guys are using for ferrule material and carbon shafts. I really like the hit of the saber t by Tiger but the deflection is a little high. I have tried a few different types that I had some rods of laying around and none of those were any good either. Just looking for a little help to see if I can make it better or if the tube is causing it.. Thank you.
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try juma
 
I eliminated the “tink” sound on my Cynergy shaft by replacing the stock ferrule with Tomahawk. The new ferrule is 3/4 inch inside the shaft and 1/4 inch out the shaft. Through trial and error I found this best worked to eliminate the tink sound. I did not weigh the new ferrule. Contact MVP cues; Kelly should be able to help you out on weight of Tomahawk.
 
Where is the best place to buy the Tomahawk material? I have a dozen CF tubes ready for ferrules and was planning on Juma but maybe I should do Tomahawk instead?
 
CaptainBly said:
I am looking for what you guys are using for ferrule material and carbon shafts. I really like the hit of the saber t by Tiger but the deflection is a little high. I have tried a few different types that I had some rods of laying around and none of those were any good either. Just looking for a little help to see if I can make it better or if the tube is causing it.. Thank you.
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The more important question would be the internal construction of the ferrule to the shaft if LD is what you want.
 
tg_vegas said:
Where is the best place to buy the Tomahawk material? I have a dozen CF tubes ready for ferrules and was planning on Juma but maybe I should do Tomahawk instead?
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It's all over this site and threads, not that hard to find do a search
 
This material is the answer for Carbon Fiber shaft construction.

Q4™ Advanced Imitation Ivory Cue System

The Q4™ advanced imitation ivory system is a high density polyester resin with ivory grain structure that works for all 4 of the original applications where real ivory was used in cues back in the day.
guitarpartsandmore.com

With so many cue makers showing an interest in this material and then the cracking issue that resulted when using it for cues, the makers developed a new recipe for it. This new recipe addressed the problem extremely well.

The few cues I sold with the old recipe did crack eventually but the company emailed me telling me of the problem and the fix so I replaced the ferrules under warranty with the new recipe material and have had no cracking since (over a year now).

This material is very light weight and strong which makes it extremely good to lighten the end weight of a cue for low deflection results.

My ferrules have 0.200" of ferrule showing.

It is a guitar company but don't let that fool ya, this stuff is the answer.
 
Tim Maher said:
This material is the answer for Carbon Fiber shaft construction.

Q4™ Advanced Imitation Ivory Cue System

The Q4™ advanced imitation ivory system is a high density polyester resin with ivory grain structure that works for all 4 of the original applications where real ivory was used in cues back in the day.
guitarpartsandmore.com

With so many cue makers showing an interest in this material and then the cracking issue that resulted when using it for cues, the makers developed a new recipe for it. This new recipe addressed the problem extremely well.

The few cues I sold with the old recipe did crack eventually but the company emailed me telling me of the problem and the fix so I replaced the ferrules under warranty with the new recipe material and have had no cracking since (over a year now).

This material is very light weight and strong which makes it extremely good to lighten the end weight of a cue for low deflection results.

My ferrules have 0.200" of ferrule showing.

It is a guitar company but don't let that fool ya, this stuff is the answer.
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Deflection is all about weight/mass. How light is this stuff compared to Juma, Ivorene, T'hawk, etc? https://dzcues.com/ferrules_4.html
 
Hydex 202
 

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shankster8 said:
https://dzcues.com/ferrules_4.html
https://www.ensingerplastics.com/en-us/shapes/products/hydex-202-natural

I agree with Joey, note density of hydex 202 is 1.2 grams per cubic centimeter - nothing on DZ Cues list compares except maple
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Now that I agreed with Joey, let me throw a wrench into things. I once did an informal test to assess the toughness of abs. for use as cue collars. I machined similar sized tubes of abs, tomahawk, and joe barrangers phenolic (with linen weave). I put the tubes on an anvil and smacked each with a hammer. Hammer bounced off joe's phenolic and the abs; tomahawk shattered. I tried to smack each tube with equal force. ABS has a density of 1 gram per cubic centimeter, which equals maple, the lowest density material on DZ's list. Do your own test, don't believe me. And smack the sh*t out the samples you test. I believe you'll be very surprised, amazed, at the strength of ABS. ABS is available in black and white. Not making any claims regarding chaulk resistance etc but, if you're a shooter wanting low deflection, I would try this on your carbon shaft. I'd guess it will eliminate the "tink" also. In the link below see "ABS High Impact"

https://omnexus.specialchem.com/polymer-property/density
 
shankster8 said:
Now that I agreed with Joey, let me throw a wrench into things. I once did an informal test to assess the toughness of abs. for use as cue collars. I machined similar sized tubes of abs, tomahawk, and joe barrangers phenolic (with linen weave). I put the tubes on an anvil and smacked each with a hammer. Hammer bounced off joe's phenolic and the abs; tomahawk shattered. I tried to smack each tube with equal force. ABS has a density of 1 gram per cubic centimeter, which equals maple, the lowest density material on DZ's list. Do your own test, don't believe me. And smack the sh*t out the samples you test. I believe you'll be very surprised, amazed, at the strength of ABS. ABS is available in black and white. Not making any claims regarding chaulk resistance etc but, if you're a shooter wanting low deflection, I would try this on your carbon shaft. I'd guess it will eliminate the "tink" also. In the link below see "ABS High Impact"

https://omnexus.specialchem.com/polymer-property/density
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Hydex passes the robogrip test .
Having black paper phenolic pad doesn't hurt either.
Looks good and gives better gluing surface
 
JoeyInCali said:
Hydex passes the robogrip test .
Having black paper phenolic pad doesn't hurt either.
Looks good and gives better gluing surface
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Please explain: what is robogrip test (excuse my ignorance if everyone knows what this is); Having black paper phenolic pad doesn't hurt what?; Looks good? and gives better gluing surface than what?
 
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