Fixed it.
One additional positive I find with CF [but really low deflection in general] is the amount of forgiveness they have for an imperfect stroke.
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Low Deflection Shaft
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One additional positive I find with CF [but really low deflection in general] is the amount of forgiveness they have for an imperfect stroke.
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I meant what's the difference in the angle of the cue compared with the direction to the target? If there's a difference, they won't produce the same outcome. This should be obvious.
Your answer seems to define "parallel" correctly (parallel with the direction to the target). Lots of players use it to mean angled "manually" by feel (rather than "automatically" with BHE).
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Hence why we've never agreed on very much of anything. You play mental pool and 2D drawings instead of getting on the table and actually striking balls different ways or seeing CB/OB alignments for aiming in different ways.
That's what's obvious to me. The same outcome is produced in one respect but not in another. That's it. Figure it out on the table. Observe.
Fini...
For those who want to see clear visual examples of the differences (or easily measure differences for any cues on your own), see:
Zerksies
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What's the greatest thing about Carbon Fiber Shafts is NO DINGS IN THE SHAFT. With wood i use to get one a week, I became an expert at pulling dents out of a shaft. In the year that i've had a CF shaft ZERO dents. I've came close a few times thinking i might of put a ding in the shaft, but NONE.
Previously I've had days where i could feel the humidity and swelling in wood shafts with carbon it feels the same everyday.
Their was a very minor diffrence coming from a 314-3 to a REVO in reguards to deflection.
Previously I've had days where i could feel the humidity and swelling in wood shafts with carbon it feels the same everyday.
Their was a very minor diffrence coming from a 314-3 to a REVO in reguards to deflection.
Of course I can describe it as well as demonstrate it which is what I want you to do. I learned a long, long time ago
that handing something on a silver platter to you is not the way to go which is then turned into wordsmithing as proven right now. Dig it out of the Simonis with the instructions I gave earlier. Are you unable to get on a table? I thought you had one right where you live. Yes? No?
Zerksies
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That guy always beats up the subject proving that he's right when he's usually far from it. Always coming up with data that's his data. I call bullshit
Both of you should watch Dr. Dave's video posted above - might learn something (anything's possible).
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World Snooker Tour has a story quoting Shaun Murphy as saying he will have three cues on hand when playing, and will use them as determined by the shot's deflection.
I looked at this video- I personally like 12.75 MM tip diameter- the difference between a Predator Revor and a cheap Players plain maple shaft with tip diameters in that range seems very small in terms of deflection- a very experienced player should be able to manage either shaft with no trouble at all.
For the beginner- yes, start them out with CF shaft and be done with it! No arguments here from me.
It is human nature to look for any edge possible via technology when it comes to sports equipment - corporate marketing seizes upon our own mind games - that is what marketing is designed to accomplish - get into your mind to get into your wallet. So, I say, no one is exactly correct- each person should settle on their highest comfort level, wallet withstanding.
That guy who knows very little what top players do and plays average but has been buffaloing members of pool forums for almost 30 years. Or at least trying to.
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It was an interesting shaft comparison video. But you should learn how to read and play pool in various ways besides the way you do - might learn something and play better. (But we all know that's impossible)
Get Efren to explain Low Deflection, he will tell you he gets lucky..I looked at this video- I personally like 12.75 MM tip diameter- the difference between a Predator Revor and a cheap Players plain maple shaft with tip diameters in that range seems very small in terms of deflection- a very experienced player should be able to manage either shaft with no trouble at all.
For the beginner- yes, start them out with CF shaft and be done with it! No arguments here from me.
It is human nature to look for any edge possible via technology when it comes to sports equipment - corporate marketing seizes upon our own mind games - that is what marketing is designed to accomplish - get into your mind to get into your wallet. So, I say, no one is exactly correct- each person should settle on their highest comfort level, wallet withstanding.
Well guys, I not trying to say there isn't a difference in shafts. What I am saying is if I play with and have adjusted to a non LD shaft, how does an expensive LD shaft help me. What I found was a small period of time to readjust to the LD CF shaft. I don't hit or pot balls at a higher rate with either cue once adjusted. I am currently an APA 6 and rarely lose to equal or lower SL. I put in 3-4hrs on the table every day. I will continue to use the CF cue as I don't want to go through the adjustment period but I wouldn't spend $100's of dollars on a CF shaft. If it wasn't for my kids I would still be using my $100 Dufferin cue I bought 7 years ago and shooting just as well.
If you're a good aimer the small difference in precision might not matter for most shots/players - but it can shorten the learning curve for less experienced players and I suspect has some lasting value for anybody.
pj
chgo
That's counterintuitive to me. Lower deflection shafts have pivot points farther from normal bridge lengths, so the "automatic squirt correction" for an inaccurate stroke is usually worse. Do you have a longer-than-average bridge length?
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This topic, has gone on for ages. Deflection is something you get use to, no matter what type of shaft you use.
Dr dave, video is great to see the difference in the varying amounts deflection. Simple to expensive. I still think, if you play with one shaft, for long enough. You will learn to use it, no matter what is it. And that will improve your game.
I agree with you, now you got it, stick with it, give it a couple months, then see. Which brand of carbon shaft, have you got?
Dr dave, video is great to see the difference in the varying amounts deflection. Simple to expensive. I still think, if you play with one shaft, for long enough. You will learn to use it, no matter what is it. And that will improve your game.
I agree with you, now you got it, stick with it, give it a couple months, then see. Which brand of carbon shaft, have you got?
Bingo! I also strongly suspect many of the pros who switched to carbon fiber did so because a sponsor wanted them to. It's very much an individual preference thing. Until disappointing eye surgery prompted me to put my cues away, my choice was wood...it just felt better to me...sounded better too.
I like watching the old matches on youtube with top pros shooting all maple shafts...maybe those shafts suffered from deflection, but those guys sure were good at knowing how much that deflection was going to be... know how gained after hitting thousands of shots with the same cue.