bob griffin said:
mark how are you doing? looks as if you,ve been busy? i know you said work was slow but from phone calls weve had in the past i thought you had better things to do than slander cue makers but i see that is,nt so . for what you,ve done here i hope it shows cue builders to record your future calls when asking for the many different designs that you have run across my table for one cue. i,ll say only one thing i talked to you thru a email and said you were my only problem with the building of cues in 12 years i was wrong there was one other guy that did accuse me of only wanting to build what i wished to build he was wrong at the time but i thing from here on out i will stick to this . i probally will not build many cues from here on out do to my health and the way most people in the pool world have turned to be apart of these type of attacks. my defense here is i recieved no phone calls from you in sometime . our server was down at one point and also my health problems with no ins, broke myself and my family and i had my computer shut down because i could,nt pay the bill but i thought i could get back on my feet shortly by building cues again againest my doctors advice but the attack you,ve put on me threw this and other forums will surely stop any hope of that . mark can you help and derect me in the proper way to were are what i can do to pull myself and my family back on my feet after these slanderest remarks and oppositions and heal feeling you,ve send my way????? what do you think maybe seven days a week working for a farmer??? i hope he can let me lay down everytime i get wore out maybe next to the pigs are cows because my heart is wore out and beyond repair and skips around like you do on your designs of cues? i just called a guy the other day thats been patient and is 6 months behind you he said no problem that my work is worth waiting for. hey just think if you would have just waited alittle longer you might have got your cue and if i passed as you say you would have just loved me because as we all know a dead cue builder is worth more than a live one this attack againest me proves that.know i know that alot of people out there are going to say will he should have called are emailed are flew there are beem me up scotty are what ever but when the shoe is on there foot things seem much different and remember were all humans and my thoughts are yours might not matter to the next guy but as jimmy said earlier look at whats happened to pool will look around at your lifes and whats happening with it and you,ll see that when push come to shove and your life seems to be coming to a end certain things seem to be way on the back burner and only things that mean the most to you matter and i won,t appoligize for that remember when you were a kid and you thought about dyeing how scared you got now just think if those thoughts all of a sudden become real are you going to think about bob griffin are you and the time you have left with your family. one last thing i can not believe this forum host this type of slander and mark call the next cue maker before you attack him he might be broke from changing your cue around everytime after reading your ever changing email cue designs are hell he might even be dyeing. i hold no bad feelings toward the ones who posted neg. againest me life is to short this will be my last post on this forum i have stated that in the past but i do mean it i have better things to do .so you guys have fun but please remember life is short and were all just passing thru and god bless each and everyone of you all . mark your cue will be send to you friday you should recieve it by the later part of next week and thanks so much for everything and again god bless you and your family.
---Bob I am very sorry to hear about your declining health. I did not know that this was the case and had hoped that after your last surgery that your condition would improve. I still hope that. For you to say that I hope you die goes beyond the pale. That is a purely vicious thing to say.
---I have no knowledge of your personal life or what you do outside of cue building and your pool hall. So I have no reference point as to what your life style is. It had been my hope that you had managed to reopen your pool hall at some point.
---I looked at the amount of views this thread after had Jim mentioned it. I am very glad that nobody else has chimed in and said they have had any difficulties in the past. It speaks very well for you.
And every body should take that into consideration that is observing this thread. I will assume that I was the unlucky guy that Murphy went eany, meany, miney, moe take him he's the one.
---Bob I tried repeatedly to get ahold of you. I talked to you wife once but you were in the hospital at the time and I told her to wish you well. Jim said he would help me. I called your house several times and nobody picked up except for once and the connection went bad. I called again and nobody picked up. I waited a long time before posting this on the net. Yes I made inquires elsewhere but you were anonymous. And it was in the form of an inquiry. Until recently I waited a long time in between, hoping to hear from you.
---Put yourself in my shoes Bob. What was I to think after that obscene email you sent me. I only inquired about a rumor that you had stopped building and I asked you to confirm or deny and to ship my cue home as soon as possible if that was the case. Nothing more. Your parting sentence in that email was that you would have my cue in the mail that following Monday. I waited about a week or so and no cue. I sent you an email stating the ball was in your court and that you could finish the cue. However I left that up to you. We are approaching a year since that last communication.
---In that last email you said that you thought I had heard the rumor from some individual that you had not heard from in I believe 7 months. I thought you and a mutual friend were having difficulties. In a recent PM you sent, this appears to not be the case. It appears it was a 3rd party spreading the rumor.
---Jim said I don't have all the facts. I agree. Its more than apparent that I don't. However what I do have is our communications, a series of unfulfilled promises and a long time span of zero communication. That is the only thing I have to interpret what is going on. If my perception of the situation is wrong then I fully apologize for that. However based on the information I had at the time I believe the conclusions I have drawn are factual.
---You have just stated that your server was down. I see no reason not to believe that. It happens. However if that was the case all your emails would be sitting in the account folder at your ISP. You do not need a server to import your email. A desktop or laptop would suffice. If your ISP went belly up as a business that is another matter entirely. Also your email address is still functional. It is the same one I have always had. I would have to conclude that you have had uninterrupted internet access of some sort the entire time.
---It is not my job to have to track you down. Even if I never attempted to contacted you again, it is still you or your proxies responsibility to keep me appraised of the the situation. It is even more critical to do so when you are having difficulties beyond your control.
---You were hired to perform a service to which it was never fulfilled. Health issues and your perception that I was changing the order aside, that is an incontrovertible fact.
---All you had to do was pick up the phone. Say, "Hey bud I am having some difficulties. However the cue is fine but I need more time to complete it. How would you like to proceed?" That is all I needed. Nothing more.
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The straw that broke the camels back is the following.
---I get a communication from a friend in Hong Kong who is aware of this situation. He is a member of this site. He sends me a link to AZ. Tells me it may be of interest to me.
---I go to the thread and read it. I check the time line. The last post is 8-27-07. Bob is having a fight with Lee from Brianna. I then search all posts by Bob and see a short series of posts extending back to 05. I am thinking to myself that the Bob has time to chat on AZ about various subjects but not touch base with me.
---Put yourself in my shoes. How would you interpret that??? I was grinding my teeth. Until I saw those posts I was on the verge of accepting the situation as a total loss. Do not try to lay this at my feet. No matter what your personal situation is, you have had ample time and opportunity to contact me.
---I will state this one last time. This thread concerns my cues only. I have not made any personal attacks against Bob or his business. Considering my situation I believe I have attempted to paint Bob in the best light possible. I do not have any animosity towards him and do wish him the best on his health and future projects. I believe Bob to be a very good craftsman and his work should be praised for that. I believe it is worth investing in.
---As more information has come to light during this thread I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this problem may only be endemic to me.
---For those of you that are currently doing business with Bob I suggest you continue to do so. If you have been satisfied thus far, use that as your personal standard. I would suggest that anybody that was considering contacting Bob for work to do so and see if it is plausible to get on his list.
---If it is the case that have misinterpreted or misunderstood anything during this long drawn out affair I apologize for that. However that being said, based on the information I had at the time, I believe my conclusions have been reasonably and fairly drawn and will stick by it.
---In an email sent to me on 10-07-07, Bob has stated that he would be shipping my cue back to me as of yesterday. I have thus far not received confirmation that it has been shipped. I will await patiently for its arrival. I will inform inform all concerned when it arrives. I will at that point consider my business with Bob concluded and will personally not be making any more public comment on the matter.
---I however do reserve the right to defend myself should I be attacked. That includes any commentary that can be construed as false statements about either Bob, myself or the situation discussed in this thread. Should none arise my participation in this thread will come to a conclusion and the matter will be permanently closed.
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