Magic Chalk

I really like both you guys...

ChicagoRJ said:
Well, I can't really answer you. Since Magic Chalk is NOT the most expensive, it's only $4 per cube, not $30 like Kamui. So, folks can play with the best chalk that is in the same range as some other brands that are not as good.

And yes, I do play more pool. If I practice for an 90 minutes (which is about my limit for one session) and only have to chalk every 3 racks, yes, make practice more fun and also I do get more practice in then chalking after every shot.

So, to answer your own question, why kind of tips do you put on your custom cues? LePro's ? Just curious. I'm betting they are not cheap, but like most folks, prefer a better performing tip... well, why not better performing chalk, as tested and documented by Dr. Dave? Seem silly to spend $30 for a tip and then use cheap chalk?

Makes sense to me. But if folks like their Master Chalk, or BD or Kaumui, then it's all good, as long as folks are playing pool :thumbup:

If folks didn't always try and build a better mousetrap, we would be home writing letters to each other, instead of being on the internet :)
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I really like both you guys, should I get my popcorn out? I think RJ should send Matt a box for his review. Matt plays with Kamui tips on most of his cues and loves them. Also if Matt likes something he will be the first to recommend it.
 
Shooter08 said:
I really like both you guys, should I get my popcorn out? I think RJ should send Matt a box for his review. Matt plays with Kamui tips on most of his cues and loves them. Also if Matt likes something he will be the first to recommend it.
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No problem, I think we are having good quality banter. I'm sure it's weird to spend $4 for chalk, or $30 for tips, or $2k for a cue.

Heck, I remember when the Pro Justabridge first came out. They were expensive. They were made from all aluminum, and will last a lifetime.

Yep, I bought one. $60 for a bridge, but it was just so darn good, that it seemed silly not to have one. Well, the inventor wisely went to plastic to reduce the cost and thus sell more bridges. they are now $30. But I'm glad I have the first generation bridge, as I still have it, and don't ever plan to ever sell it or use any other bridge.

So, yeah, I was mocked for spending such a "huge " amount of money on a bridge over 10 years ago. Seems silly now, been using it ever since.
 
When will Magic Chalk become like BD,Masters and Kamui, etc; available from many retailers
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I'm trying to make it happen. So, stayed tuned ;)
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Take some down here next month and you might sell quite a few.
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$8.00 Per Box....

Jeez,,,,,,is MC is only $8.00/box and add $2,50 shipping so let's say $5.00 per cube laid in.....it isn't that expensive compared with BD chalk......like I wrote earlier,
I bought a carton of BD and it's going to last me a long time......but I'd still be willing to take the extra boxes of BD off Skip's hands because I really like the product.

Dr. Dave can test all day long about how many hits before a miscue occurs without having to reapply chalk in between strokes. That is meaningless information for
me because I am not going to remember to chalk every 1/2 hour or every 20 or 30 shots.......Nope, I am going to chalk my cue every other or every 3rd shot as I do
now.....just a light swipe of BD chalk across my cue tip.......Kamui Clear Black......because it's my shot routine. I've been doing this with any brand chalk I've used
over the years......every other or every 3rd shot I chalk my cue.....lightly.

Now when I can start applying extreme application of English, like a masse shot, and the chalk allows me to use more English than with another brand say, 2 1/2 tips
(12.75mm), horizontal English and the chalk lets my tip have better contact and control over the cue ball, then I am interested in that chalk but not the pasty Kamui
(either version) chalk,.....you can keep that chalk even if it grabbed like flypaper.......tried it and really do not care for the texture/composition of Kamui chalk.,

I believe if you have a solid pre-shot routine and stick to it, then chalk is less important that many here imagine it to be. While some will not agree with me, the pool greats
of yesteryear never played with Kamui, or MC or BD or any of these specialty chalks, And those guys were better than today's players who have all the advantages of
modern training methods, newer equipment changes, etc.

So I just don't see any advantage other than if you do not like to chalk your cue, which I really do not mind & in fact, I like doing it because it is part of my pre-shot routine
standing outside the box at the pool table before I assume my shooting stance. Oh well, to each their own but I think there's a lot more to be gained from discussing tip
brands, construction and hardness than splitting hairs over which chalk is best because it looks like chalk is just chalk until you play with some cheap crap you really dislike.

Matt B.
 
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Bavafongoul said:
Jeez,,,,,,is MC is only $8.00/box and add $2,50 shipping so let's say $5.00 per cube laid in.....it isn't that expensive compared with BD chalk......like I wrote earlier,
I bought a carton of BD and it's going to last me a long time......but I'd still be willing to take the extra boxes of BD off Skip's hands because I really like the product.

Dr. Dave can test all day long about how many hits before a miscue occurs without having to reapply chalk in between strokes. That is meaningless information for
me because I am not going to remember to chalk every 1/2 hour or every 20 or 30 shots.......Nope, I am going to chalk my cue every other or every 3rd shot as I do
now.....just a light swipe of BD chalk across my cue tip.......Kamui Clear Black......because it's my shot routine. I've been doing this with any brand chalk I've used
over the years......every other or every 3rd shot I chalk my cue.....lightly.

Now when I can start applying extreme application of English, like a masse shot, and the chalk allows me to use more English than with another brand say, 2 1/2 tips
(12.75mm), horizontal English and the chalk lets my tip have better contact and control over the cue ball, then I am interested in that chalk but not the pasty Kamui
(either version) chalk,.....you can keep that chalk even if it grabbed like flypaper.......tried it and really do not care for the texture/composition of Kamui chalk.,

I believe if you have a solid pre-shot routine and stick to it, then chalk is less important that many here imagine it to be. While some will not agree with me, the pool greats
of yesteryear never played with Kamui, or MC or BD or any of these specialty chalks, And those guys were better than today's players who have all the advantages of
modern training methods, newer equipment changes, etc.

So I just don't see any advantage other than if you do not like to chalk your cue, which I really do not mind & in fact, I like doing it because it is part of my pre-shot routine
standing outside the box at the pool table before I assume my shooting stance. Oh well, to each their own but I think there's a lot more to be gained from discussing tip
brands, construction and hardness than splitting hairs over which chalk is best because it looks like chalk is just chalk until you play with some cheap crap you really dislike.

Matt B.
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I mean no offense, but you say it doesn't matter what chalk you use if you have the same preshot routine, but then you mention you play with BD ? That seems a bit odd to me. If it does not matter, why are you NOT using 'Silver Cup or Masters, you can buy 10 times as much for the same price as BD ??

Also, I tend to believe that is chalk stays on the tip so well, that using extreme English is gonna be better with that chalk over other chalks. Also, I don't do a time limit, I just chalk before the game starts. I don't have to count anything. But if I take more than 30 shots in 8b, I think I'm suppose to lose anyways ;)
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I mean no offense, but you say it doesn't matter what chalk you use if you have the same preshot routine, but then you mention you play with BD ? That seems a bit odd to me. If it does not matter, why are you NOT using 'Silver Cup or Masters, you can buy 10 times as much for the same price as BD ??

Also, I tend to believe that is chalk stays on the tip so well, that using extreme English is gonna be better with that chalk over other chalks. Also, I don't do a time limit, I just chalk before the game starts. I don't have to count anything. But if I take more than 30 shots in 8b, I think I'm suppose to lose anyways ;)
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8 ball on a bar box table??
 
I use Blue Diamond because it doesn't come off on my hands or cue shafts so my bridge hand stays cleaner and so does my pool cue
and I also play with BD because it easily and evenly applies so when my cue tip strikes the cue ball, even for a stun shot right, there
aren't any chalk specs or flakes that are noticeable........it is just a cleaner chalk to play with. I see chalk debris on pool tables all the time
and undoubtedly people over chalk their cues but people who buy BD tend to know how to properly chalk a cue. I'm sure that also applies
to people who buy MC or Kamui, or any other gizmo chalk that comes along.

After hours of play, my bridge hand and cue shafts attest to this post. The fact that I can take multiple shots without worrying about having
forgotten to chalk, well, that's just a plus. As I previously wrote, my pre-shot routine always has me chalk on every shot or every other shot
and never less than every 3rd shot at the most......so being able to shoot more shots in between chalking my cue tip is pretty meaningless to
me. I use Blue Diamond chalk for the aforementioned reasons and cost was pretty insignificant as I got my carton of BD chalk (25 boxes) for
only $76 or basically $1.50 per chalk. If MC created better friction than BD, I'd buy it but not for just being able to not chalk for longer periods.

Matt B.
 
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Bavafongoul said:
I use Blue Diamond because it doesn't come off on my hands or cue shafts so my bridge hand stays cleaner and so does my pool cue
and I also play with BD because it easily and evenly applies so when my cue tip strikes the cue ball, even for a stun shot right, there
aren't any chalk specs or flakes that are noticeable........it is just a cleaner chalk to play with. I see chalk debris on pool tables all the time
and undoubtedly people over chalk their cues but people who buy BD tend to know how to properly chalk a cue. I'm sure that also applies
to people who buy MC or Kamui, or any other gizmo chalk that comes along.

After hours of play, my bridge hand and cue shafts attest to this post. The fact that I can take multiple shots without worrying about having
forgotten to chalk, well, that's just a plus. As I previously wrote, my pre-shot routine always has me chalk every time every shot or every
other shot and never less than every 3rd shot at the most......so being able to shoot more shots in between chalking my cue tip is pretty
meaningless to me. I use Blue Diamond chalk for the aforementioned reasons and cost was pretty insignificant as I got my carton of BD
chalk (25 boxes) for only $76 or basically $1.50 per chalk.

Matt B.
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I chalk after every shot out of habit and I still prefer Magic Chalk. I haven't used BD enough to review it, but with the amount of other money I spend on pool I don't mind paying the cost of something I personally believe in. Matt I know your sold on BD which if you prefer is fine by me, but if RJ hasn't already sent you a box let me send you one for your review. I always appreciate your opinion and would like your personal feed back, if you don't like it, feel free to give it to someone else who wants to give it a shot. THx
 
I have used Blue Diamond for at least four years, before that only Masters, both good chalks and I would not have a problem using them again. Measureman out of Denver gave me a cube of Magic Chalk last time we matched up and I started using it. I prefer this chalk over anything else I have used. I would choose Magic chalk because of how it feels going on the tip, it seems to make my hands less messy and I spin the rock and this grips better then others.
 
According to Dr. Dave's tests, the max spin/miscue test was about the same for all tested. The major difference was the # of shots before miscue and the residue on the cue ball. Since I chalk almost every time between shots, except when practicing, I see the residue on the cue ball as something that might be the deciding factor in switching from BD to MC.
 
Bavafongoul said:
I use Blue Diamond because it doesn't come off on my hands or cue shafts so my bridge hand stays cleaner and so does my pool cue
and I also play with BD because it easily and evenly applies so when my cue tip strikes the cue ball, even for a stun shot right, there
aren't any chalk specs or flakes that are noticeable........it is just a cleaner chalk to play with. I see chalk debris on pool tables all the time
and undoubtedly people over chalk their cues but people who buy BD tend to know how to properly chalk a cue. I'm sure that also applies
to people who buy MC or Kamui, or any other gizmo chalk that comes along.

After hours of play, my bridge hand and cue shafts attest to this post. The fact that I can take multiple shots without worrying about having
forgotten to chalk, well, that's just a plus. As I previously wrote, my pre-shot routine always has me chalk on every shot or every other shot
and never less than every 3rd shot at the most......so being able to shoot more shots in between chalking my cue tip is pretty meaningless to
me. I use Blue Diamond chalk for the aforementioned reasons and cost was pretty insignificant as I got my carton of BD chalk (25 boxes) for
only $76 or basically $1.50 per chalk. If MC created better friction than BD, I'd buy it but not for just being able to not chalk for longer periods.

Matt B.
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So, basically you have a reason to spend more on chalk. And those same reasons apply to MC, as well as holding up better on more shots with English. And yes, the more you chalk, the more mess is created, the more chalk on the table, the more on your shaft, etc. etc.

You could play on my pool table in my basement and you will NOT see any blue on your hand, it stays that clean. I mean, instead of chalking every shot and only every 30or 40 shots, it would have to be cleaner just by pure "usage" numbers.

Again, use what you want, and you do. I think BD is good chalk too. Certianly not the best, but good enough to play with no problems. Others want a little more, and for that they pay a few more pennies, just like you pay a few more pennies for BD over Masters and Silver Cup.

But I'm still not sure how you started to kind of knock "special chalk users" in general when you are one of those guys too ??

Dude, you're not the founding member, but you're a member of the Chalk Club :thumbup:
 
I think the chalk story...or drama....really exploded with the arrival of Kamui's chalk products......which seems inordinately expensive for a piece of chalk.
There were lots of tales about how great this chalk played and I think the reality is you just chalk less.......like with MC and also BD.......I went with BD
because of price and performance.......I'd pay $10 for a box of MC in a heartbeat if it performed better than BD, not just because I'd chalk less often and
that's not a a good enough reason for me to use it.

I am willing to pay for better quality in my pool cues and better performance in pool accessories but only when the difference is discernible and meaningful
to me...... it has to be a genuine improvement or why bother. So until some chalk comes along that has an edge in cue ball control, I'll just play with the chalk
that seems to be the cleanest and least messy to use. Personally speaking, that's BD chalk but I'd switch tomorrow if there was something better & reasonably
priced unlike Kamui's chalk products which I don't even like because ot the texture/composition of the chalk.

Wileydog's post hit the bullseye dead center....."According to Dr. Dave's tests, the max spin/miscue test was about the same for all tested. The major difference
was the # of shots before miscue and the residue on the cue ball".........so that's not enough reason to switch from BD chalk to MC, or KC, or any other chalk.

I guess I am a member of the Chalk Club because I know there are some cheap, terrible chalks and I simply refuse to use them so maybe I am a snob of sorts.

Matt B.
 
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Bavafongoul said:
I think the chalk story...or drama....really exploded with the arrival of Kamui's chalk products......which seems inordinately expensive for a piece of chalk.
There were lots of tales about how great this chalk played and I think the reality is you just chalk less.......like with MC and also BD.......I went with BD
because of price and performance.......I'd pay $10 for a box of MC in a heartbeat if it performed better than BD, not just because I'd chalk less often and
that's not a a good enough reason for me to use it.

Matt B.
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It's MORE than just chalking less. There is a LOT less mess. The shafts don't blue up like other chalks. Is there a Dr. Dave test with those results? Nope.

So, it's just me telling you so. But, I have a money back guarantee, including shipping fee's, and that is why folks take the chance. I've yet to RETURN one dollar with 1500 boxes sold. Not one.

I'm a bit shocked on that part. I figured there had to be few that says, "eh, I don't like it", cause quite frankly, everyone can't like it, just not mathematically possible. I mean, heck, if JC was on earth today, there would still be a few knockers ;)

And I've already had dozens of people switch from BD to MC. I've had LOTS of folks switch from Kamui, and even more switch from Masters, Silver Cup and the like.

But hey, it's not for everyone, but so far it has been ;)


The important thing is to shoot well and often, regardless of your cue, tip or chalk :)
 
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