Man, pool halls are dangerous

it is strictly the diameter of the bullet not the whole shell size. although they are most times small ones.
yet an ar-15, which is the most feared by many, used by the military in vietnam. is merely a 22 diameter bullet as well. just tiny bit heavier in some cases and much more powder.
 
DynoDan said:
‘Penetration’. A likely minor issue compared to ‘hydrostatic shock’, which is probably what initially discourages aggression (universal organ disruption). Of course, when major organs ARE penetrated, perpetrator recovery may be hindered/suppressed (?). But, even when the aorta or cardiac chambers are punctured, the time it takes to shut down the cerebral blood supply is still plenty enough to swing a blade or empty a clip (not impossible with those shot 17 times with over-penetrating 9mm hardball).
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One of the old time outlaws was shot in the heart and managed to shoot 11 times afterwards. Not unusual at all for them to fire two or three rounds, potential to kill one to three people, maybe more. Hydrostatic shock stops people faster, penetration might eventually kill more people. That is why I prefer a forty or forty-five with the right bullet. More likely to stop a person than most rounds. That is what gets you and your family through the night. I had a peeping tom look in my bedroom one night. I wasn't sure that the wife had seen something, the dachshund had the hair from the base of her skull to out on her tail sticking up and wider than I had ever seen it.

I grabbed my 870 riot gun and put it close to hand. My wife didn't know much about guns and asked what good that would do with the peeping tom outside and us inside. I laughed a bit then told my her that if they made it to the emergency room the doctor would be spending hours trying to get glass, asbestos, and wood out besides the 00 pellets which are about 35 caliber best I recall.

Same thing with the gun under my sales counter. I had to explain to my wife that the thin plywood the counter was made out of wasn't going to slow a 357 enough to talk about.


Hail Mary Shot said:
The wonders of medicine. Nowadays, .22 is treated nothing more than a child's plaything. We mainly use it for target practice and hunting small game.
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The child's plaything is used in seven percent of crimes, ahead of many more deadly calibers. US numbers, 2022:


Ahead of every single pistol bullet except the 9mm and 40. Ahead of the twelve gauge too.

In 2024, the .22 is the bullet that kills the most people in Australia and New Zealand.

People use what they have handy and that is often a .22. I suspect that if crimes or kills are considered over the lifetime of the bullet 22's would rank quite a bit higher.

I have never seen somebody that didn't respect a 22 when it was pointed at them.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
The child's plaything is used in seven percent of crimes, ahead of many more deadly calibers. US numbers, 2022:


Ahead of every single pistol bullet except the 9mm and 40. Ahead of the twelve gauge too.

In 2024, the .22 is the bullet that kills the most people in Australia and New Zealand.

People use what they have handy and that is often a .22. I suspect that if crimes or kills are considered over the lifetime of the bullet 22's would rank quite a bit higher.

I have never seen somebody that didn't respect a 22 when it was pointed at them.

Hu
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it's not just about respect but accessibility. but then, you might consider that as disrespect as well. on the otherhand, I don't believe that the caliber would matter against someone who are not in the right state of mind. seeing the gun alone by a perp with a knife or any weapon for that matter alone, doesn't scare them. in situations of home invasion crimes, the criminals wouldn't get scared unless they start hearing the discharge of a gun. but I know a louder bang would get their attention enough for them to start running. it helps to have an alarm setup and have the guns as a last resort. for my folks case, my brother just bought 4 more additional dogs to guard their farm. 2 german sheperds and 2 akitas apart from the 2 aptb that they have and my dad's 1911s (beautiful) when everything goes sideways. that should be more than enough protection.
 
maha said:
a rifle is what is needed on the farm.
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My "farm" was only a bit over five acres at the time. I was gone four weeks. When I got back my neighbor had stolen every drop of gas on the place including the pint out of my trim mower! I caught him in his yard a few days later. No fence so I stepped out of my truck and walked up to him, very close, within a foot. I told him about the stolen gas, the loose cables on the battery of the only vehicle with a hood that opened from outside.

I asked him if he thought I should shoot the thief with my 357 or my 308. The 357 was more convenient but I could step out to the highway and hit them as far as I could see them with the 308. I stopped and waited for an answer, staring him eyeball to eyeball. He realized I was going to wait for an answer until I got one. After a minute or so he said, "Uh, either one will work."

I said I thought so too and turned and walked away. The next year I left for three weeks and besides the vehicles and gas powered equipment I left twenty gallons of gas outside in cans. When I got back none of it had been touched!

Hu
 
Hail Mary Shot said:
the criminals wouldn't get scared unless they start hearing the discharge
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Actually, I have found that racking the slide on a shotgun or 1911 commands instant respect! Not the same thing but funny, A friend came to my salvage yard and saw the riot gun in the corner. "You should load that with buckshot." I started fanning the slide and had eight shells in the air before the first one hit the floor. The dozen people in the waiting room were jumping around like the shells hitting the floor were venomous snakes. Iron John picked one up. "Gawddamn, that is double ought!" I was having an issue with theft and wanted word to get around that I was tired of it.

A friend lived a few doors down from a tenant that turned out to be a crackhead. Tommy, the crackhead, called Walter one night and used totally unacceptable language, obviously higher than a kite! Walter told Tommy that if he was going to talk like that they needed to talk face to face. Tommy was at his door in less than five minutes!

Walter sat at his smaller eating table covered with an old fashioned checkered oil cloth. Tommy burst through the door. When he did Walter slid back from the table, 1911 in hand. Walter told Tommy he wasn't in shape to fight with Tommy but he would take him out. Tommy took a long look at the 45 and went back out the door as fast as he came in. Abject apologies and a new understanding the next day!

I was a range rat and volunteer range officer for a few years. People sneered at the .22's or mouse guns I was practicing with sometimes. I offered $100 or more if they would stand at the hundred yard line and let me take one shot. In years, no takers!

Hu
 
A friend of mine had a ranch on the Crow Reservation his wife worked in town and he always was fixing fence , swathing or baling hay typical ranch work , the tractor broke down and he had his hired man running the swather cutting hay well he left a jerry can full of gas next to the fuel tank as it was a rusted up thing and not worth stealing .
When he went into town after parts , long story short he didn't get back in the afternoon but did just before dark , and noticed the swather parked in the field that wasn't cut .

When he seen the hired man he asked why he didn't finish the field the answer was he came after the extra gas but the jerry can was empty !
He said he would refill the can but to leave it alone and not use it .
He dumped a full jug of Karl syrup in that gas can that night , later the next day there was a car broke down not far from his turn off !
It was probably the hired man's relatives that stole it !

After that they didn't loose very much gas !
 
friend had his gas missing from his 5 gallon tank for lawn mower twice. i said add a bunch of sugar to it and leave it in the same place. sure enough it was empty a few days later. a few days after that he said the neighbor kid down the block had his engine seized up on his brand new car.
he said he was a nice kid and did not think it was him.
 
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ShootingArts said:
My "farm" was only a bit over five acres at the time. I was gone four weeks. When I got back my neighbor had stolen every drop of gas on the place including the pint out of my trim mower! I caught him in his yard a few days later. No fence so I stepped out of my truck and walked up to him, very close, within a foot. I told him about the stolen gas, the loose cables on the battery of the only vehicle with a hood that opened from outside.

I asked him if he thought I should shoot the thief with my 357 or my 308. The 357 was more convenient but I could step out to the highway and hit them as far as I could see them with the 308. I stopped and waited for an answer, staring him eyeball to eyeball. He realized I was going to wait for an answer until I got one. After a minute or so he said, "Uh, either one will work."

I said I thought so too and turned and walked away. The next year I left for three weeks and besides the vehicles and gas powered equipment I left twenty gallons of gas outside in cans. When I got back none of it had been touched!

Hu
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I thought when he answered, you would pull out either gun and point it at him. lol
 
Hail Mary Shot said:
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I thought when he answered, you would pull out either gun and point it at him. lol
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Threats and bluffs are not a good idea. The other person may believe you in strike first. My father always told me if you say something be prepared to do it. He came to America from Italy at the turn of the last century. Although I knew him as an old man even then it just took one look to know that whatever he said was meant.
Bluffing happens in life all the time.
The bluff thing very often occurs in pool rooms. You tell the guy I'll give you the 8 play some $100.00 sets. He comes back with make it the 7 and the break $300.00 a set.

He really doesn't want to play so he makes an offer he knows you will turn down. You call his bluff and say sounds good. The thing is, you are not bluffing, it is how you really wanted to play in the first place. He has trapped himself.

Chances are he will try to wiggle out which is fine. You then go back to the $100.00 set and offer the 7 and the break. Good chance you will get him to play.

Salesman use this all the time. What would you like to pay? You better not answer that question because you started the beginning of a deal. He may not even negotiate and just say yes and grab the paperwork and start filling it out.
Back to my original comments, it's not good to bluff unless you're willing to go through with it.

There's a movie that I forget the name of and these two guys are having a confrontation and the one guy punches the other guy he goes down and then he starts walking away. The guy on the ground begins shouting all Fn kill you and your whole family. The guy stops turns around walks back. He stands there for a second and says I believe you. He pulls out a gun and shoots him in the head.
I just remembered the name of the actor but not the movie it was Joe Don Baker who shoots the guy.
 
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