Manalo's First Loss Sux

[runall8]

Nice to hear what TX Poolnut and runall8 have to say on this issue. Bustamante's character was made suspect for a while there with post like the above. Glad the "if" word was rightfully used.

i will say this...after the shot the ref did not say anything for the first few seconds...he just looked at manalo...manalo tried to tell the ref the hit was good...by this time bustamante was at the table waiting for the call...the ref then said foul...witch was the right call..but the ref did not have a clue at first untill he listen to manalo and bustamante...he guessed at the call and got it right....Joe

 

[Bob Jewett]

Kim Davenport was the one who succesfully got his opponent on three fouls. His opponent was Karen Corr. The match was on day one.

I think I heard that Efren also got a couple of games on three fouls.

As for the Manalo safe/foul, there are two points. He was playing on a ball that was quite close to a cushion and he should have made very sure the ref was ready to make an accurate call. I think the ref did make an accurate call. In some situations it is better to choose a shot that doesn't put the ref in a situation where he has to make a close call, but if you have no choice of shot, you better minimize the chances of a mistaken call.

Secondly, he played the wrong shot under three foul rules. The shot he was trying would have left an easy hit for Bustamante on his last ball. If instead Manalo had played from the three ball to the cushion and back to the three, the hit would have been far more difficult. In fact, I think he played the wrong shot, period.

 

[pillage6]

I will be talking to Marlon later this week, I will point out his mistake Bob. He is a very gracious guy and obviously learns quickly, I will be sure to credit you with the right shot to play in that situation.

 

[Deno J. Andrews]

Gabber,

If I wanted to post a slo-mo of the shot I could. However, Manalo waited until after the match to dispute the call. He signed the score card. The match is and was over when he did that. Even if the hit was good absolutely nothing would have been done about it after the score card was turned in. So basically, you can purchase the DVD if you want to see the shot. Remember, the most compelling evidence is the fact that Manalo signed the score card.
Deno

 

[BlowFish]

Was it a foul?

It was a foul, no it was not. The ref called it rightaway, no he hesitated first. Ref asked the audience, no it was Manalo. Busta saw it, no he didn't. Ref was 10' away, no ref was on top of it. The slow-mo shows it was a foul, but Manalo signed the card already.

The plot thickens and is still a mistery.

The question is still not answered.

Nothing gets better than this.

Back to lurk mode.

 

[JAM]

Here's a little hearsay. I came into the room after the shot. Marlon claimed at the conclusion of the match, much to everyone's dismay, that he "grazed" the ball before it hit a cushion. He then proceeded to set up the shot several times to exhibit what he meant.

I agree that he should have called a ref over to watch it at the time it occurred. Maybe Marlon hit it softer than he had hoped, but he claimed he touched it ever so slightly.

I did hear on the rail that the shot was reviewed by the tournament staff at the conclusion of the set, and that, in fact, it really was a foul.

I asked Francisco Bustamante after the tournament was over on Sunday what he thought about that shot of Marlon's, and he said he didn't even see it.

Sunday night at the end of the tournament, all of the players seemed to want to continue the moment. Marlon, Bustie, Efren, and Mike Lebron went out to dinner to celebrate. They invited us to join them. Keith was talking to Harry Platis on the cell phone and handed it to Efren Reyes so Harry could congratulate him. Efren told Harry, "I got lucky, Harry. I won the tournament." He was truly on top of the world!

Picture of Hall of Famer Buddy Hall who received $30,000 at the IPT King of the Hill Shootout and fourth-place finisher Marlon Manalo. I'm thinking the $60,000 Marlon pocketed has only whetted his appetite for the next IPT tournament. I was quite impressed with his performance as a whole, to say the least.

JAM

 

[Jack Madden]

JAM
Its nice to see you posting with your insights and observations --- most of us don't get out and about like you do --- nice pics too
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com

 

[JAM]

JAM
Its nice to see you posting with your insights and observations --- most of us don't get out and about like you do --- nice pics too
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com

Hi, Jack! I'm going to post a full report about the IPT King of the Hill Shootout as well as the IPT Tour within the next day or two. This was truly an extraordinary event, and I was fortunate to witness it.

It is hard for me to embrace the IPT because of its magnitude as well as the impact that it is going to have on the sport. Yes, I can now call pool a "sport."

At the players meeting, the IPT members were introduced to Kevin Trudeau and heard him speak for the first time. I've got to say that I, like most, was hanging onto his every word. The players must have given him a standing ovation 10 times or more during the meeting, cheering loudly.

The next day, a CD was available of this presentation at the players meeting, which I intend to transcribe in its entirety. These CDs were FREE, and the players were encouraged to take as many as they desired, to share with others. The CD explains the IPT in all its glory, and believe me, it was sweet music to everyone's ears. Pool will never be the same, and this is only the beginning.

I am very impressed with Kevin Trudeau after hearing him speak. Throughout the whole event, every single day, he was right there in the trenches with all of us. He personally asked me how I was doing several times as I was watching Keith in combat. Everybody wanted to speak to Kevin Trudeau, and he never turned anyone away. I couldn't get over how nice he was to everyone, but most of all, the man is the real deal and is going to make this happen. WOW!

Located by the front doors was a Suggestion Box, and folks were encouraged to write their thoughts, good or bad, if any. I heard that somebody suggested that if a player runs 8 racks that there should be a prize, and thereafter, it was anounced that anybody who did run 8 racks would receive a $100,000 bonus.

Kevin Trudeau is the change agent that pool as a sport has lacked for so long, and believe it or not, the BEST is yet to come!

JAM

 

[rackmsuckr]

Hi, Jack! I'm going to post a full report about the IPT King of the Hill Shootout as well as the IPT Tour within the next day or two. This was truly an extraordinary event, and I was fortunate to witness it.

It is hard for me to embrace the IPT because of its magnitude as well as the impact that it is going to have on the sport. Yes, I can now call pool a "sport."

At the players meeting, the IPT members were introduced to Kevin Trudeau and heard him speak for the first time. I've got to say that I, like most, was hanging onto his every word. The players must have given him a standing ovation 10 times or more during the meeting, cheering loudly.

The next day, a CD was available of this presentation at the players meeting, which I intend to transcribe in its entirety. These CDs were FREE, and the players were encouraged to take as many as they desired, to share with others. The CD explains the IPT in all its glory, and believe me, it was sweet music to everyone's ears. Pool will never be the same, and this is only the beginning.

I am very impressed with Kevin Trudeau after hearing him speak. Throughout the whole event, every single day, he was right there in the trenches with all of us. He personally asked me how I was doing several times as I was watching Keith in combat. Everybody wanted to speak to Kevin Trudeau, and he never turned anyone away. I couldn't get over how nice he was to everyone, but most of all, the man is the real deal and is going to make this happen. WOW!

Located by the front doors was a Suggestion Box, and folks were encouraged to write their thoughts, good or bad, if any. I heard that somebody suggested that if a player runs 8 racks that there should be a prize, and thereafter, it was anounced that anybody who did run 8 racks would receive a $100,000 bonus.

Kevin Trudeau is the change agent that pool as a sport has lacked for so long, and believe it or not, the BEST is yet to come!

JAM

Hey JAM,

I totally agree. This was a first class production and Kevin surrounds himself with first class people, like Deno. My husband was the one that suggested to Deno that if someone ran 8 consecutive racks that they should get $10-$25,000. I poked my husband and told him not to be a troublemaker, because KT had already contributed so much money already. Yet, the very next day, the announcement came that KT was paying $100 Grand for that feat! Unbelievable!

Kevin came by every day and inquired how everyone was doing, stopped and took the time to answer questions and share himself with everyone. He is pretty easy on the eyes too!

Tonight, Mike Massey came for the private grand opening party at Parlor Billiards doing trick shots. I gave the owners an IPT program as a gift. I was the only winner against Mike when I broke and ran a game of 8 ball on him. (Tooting my own horn) and Harry Platis, Dan Louie, and others were there, among hundreds. Coincidentally enough, so was the ref that scraped the balls. Tactfully, I asked him if he was fired and he said on the contrary, KT thought it was great drama, and it didn't change the outcome of the shot or game, so he was pretty happy. I know this guy and I always thought he was a super ref - just a humiliating, bizarre lapse of concentration or misinterpretation of Efren's intent, so I'm glad he is still with the IPT.

I am including the text of an article I wrote to recap the first few days. It will be published in a regional pool magazine. It was great to meet you and talk with you and hope to do it again in Feb.

 

[Cornerman]

I will be talking to Marlon later this week, I will point out his mistake Bob. He is a very gracious guy and obviously learns quickly, I will be sure to credit you with the right shot to play in that situation.

Good. Tell him that if he wasn't thinking of 3-foul (which I suspect he wasn't because he was allowing Bustamante a piece of his ball), then the proper strategy is to work to separate his cluster while playing safe. He had ball-in-hand. Doing it right there may have been the best option. If he is playing a world class kicker (which he was), then the proper play is to play a ball down table towards the cluster while playing safe. The idea trying to keep two balls in the same vicinity giving more options.

IMO, his choice was the worst.

Fred