Manalo's First Loss Sux

[Cornerman]

The score was 5-5. Bustamante dogs the runout and ties up his ball. Manalo plays safe. Busta knocks one of Manalo's balls up table, leaving only the tied up balls and the 8-ball down table, with all of Manalo's balls up table.

Manalo plays this safe, instead of separating the balls:

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The referee doesn't realize what Manalo was doing, and couldn't tell if it was a good hit. Folks, it was a good hit by a mile, but the cueball grazed the one ball on the way in, hit the cushion, and immediately hit the one ball again. I think the ref. didn't realize what Manalo was doing.

Bustamante points to the crowd when someone says, "Foul." The referee asks the crowd, and three people say it was. SCREW THAT!!!! It was a good hit, and the replays will show it.

In the meantime, Busta take ball in hand and cans this bank:

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to win the game, and proceeds to run out the set.

Manalo may not make the finals if Busta wins again.

Fred <~~~ not happy

 

[X Breaker]

The referee asked the crowd to decide if a hit was good? That does not sound very professional.

Did Marlon protest?

Thank you for the updates, Fred.

Richard

 

[LastTwo]

If the ref couldnt tell it was a foul, he should have either let it go as a good hit or go check the instant replay. He should lose his job for listening to the crowd. Did Marlon try to argue at all?

 

[mjantti]

If the ref couldnt tell it was a foul, he should have either let it go as a good hit or go check the instant replay. He should lose his job for listening to the crowd. Did Marlon try to argue at all?

Agreed 100%. That referee sounds like chickening out of making real decisions. A real referee never asks the crowd to help making his decision. It only him and the TD who rule over the table, no one else.

Where the hell they get these people for referees ?

Nothing against either player, it just seem so harsh to make such an amateur refereeing mistake in such an important place. Does the referee in football (both football and soccer) take influence from the crowd in his decision ? Hardly.

 

[lewdo26]

What was the referee's name?

 

[PoolBum]

That's bizarre. Even if the ref didn't see it I can't imagine that a match referee would rely on the crowd to determine a call.

 

[jsp]

Granted, that missed call was probably the turning point in the match. However, you still have to give credit to Bustamante on making that bank shot. You cannot sum up the whole match just on that one shot. And besides, Busta still beat Manalo by a fairly decent margin (8-5), it wasn't like it was hill-hill.

However, that referee should be fired for missing such an important call (if in fact it was no foul). That is the job of the referee, to make correct calls. Deferring the call to the audience is just absurd to me.

But we shouldn't forget to give Django his credit. I just wish I was there to witness everything! Fred, just be happy that you're able to witness pool history, lucky &%#*$!

 

[DougT]

Correct call by Ref

From Kirstin Pires at IPT's site...

"Buzz from the camera men was that they reviewed the tape and the call was good. But either way, the call wasn’t questioned at the time it was made, so it stands."

I'd be stunned if a ref even acknowledged the crowd, but I'm not there.

 

[LastTwo]

Granted, that missed call was probably the turning point in the match. However, you still have to give credit to Bustamante on making that bank shot. You cannot sum up the whole match just on that one shot. And besides, Busta still beat Manalo by a fairly decent margin (8-5), it wasn't like it was hill-hill.

However, that referee should be fired for missing such an important call (if in fact it was no foul). That is the job of the referee, to make correct calls. Deferring the call to the audience is just absurd to me.

But we shouldn't forget to give Django his credit. I just wish I was there to witness everything! Fred, just be happy that you're able to witness pool history, lucky &%#*$!

That foul was what cost him the set. After winning that game, Bustamante broke and ran out the rest of the set.

 

[jsp]

That foul was what cost him the set. After winning that game, Bustamante broke and ran out the rest of the set.

How are you so sure that Manalo would have ran out the rest of the way if that call went his way? Django still did his part and ran out, so all i'm saying is give him credit for doing that.

 

[juegabillar]

This says a lot about Bustamante and the referee. Bustamante for taking the foul if he knew it was not.....and the referee for not knowing the rules. If he didn't see it, he could not have called it based on the crowd's opinion.

 

[bruin70]

The score was 5-5. Bustamante dogs the runout and ties up his ball. Manalo plays safe. Busta knocks one of Manalo's balls up table, leavi
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to win the game, and proceeds to run out the set.

Manalo may not make the finals if Busta wins again.

Fred <~~~ not happy

if it was going to be a very thin hit in a very crucial play, why didn't anyone call the ref to get a close look at the shot. they always ask the ref to watch a close shot in 9ball, don't they?

ref's AND manolo's fault, yes?

btw,,,that's a kick-ass bank

 

[Crispy Fish]

The referee asked the crowd to decide if a hit was good? That does not sound very professional.

Scott Smith once asked me to rule on a bad hit. I honestly didn't think it should be my call, and some other audience members disagreed with me and said it was a good hit. So I just said, "We don't agree" and it was ruled a good hit.

Instant replay would be a great benefit in situations like this.

 

[Cornerman]

From Kirstin Pires at IPT's site...

"Buzz from the camera men was that they reviewed the tape and the call was good. But either way, the call wasn’t questioned at the time it was made, so it stands."

I'd be stunned if a ref even acknowledged the crowd, but I'm not there.

I'd be stunned if you could tell on the reviewed tape. If there was high res, and a closeup, maybe.

Fred

 

[Cornerman]

if it was going to be a very thin hit in a very crucial play, why didn't anyone call the ref to get a close look at the shot. they always ask the ref to watch a close shot in 9ball, don't they?

ref's AND manolo's fault, yes?

btw,,,that's a kick-ass bank

Good point. If it were a seasoned tournament 8-ball player, this safety comes up often. You would normally tell the referee what you were doing so that he doesn't mistake the quick carom off the cushion as a bad hit.

Fred

 

[Cornerman]

The referee asked the crowd to decide if a hit was good? That does not sound very professional.

Did Marlon protest?

Thank you for the updates, Fred.

Richard

Yes he protested. And that tells me without any doubt, regardless of tape review, that he did inded brush the ball before the cueball contacted the cushion. The first people that said "foul" were on the wrong side of the one-ball to see the brush.

Fred

 

[jsp]

To put people's mind at ease...even if Manalo ended up winning that match by the score of 8-5, Efren Reyes would STILL be advancing to the finals, given that Reyes still beats Manalo 8-4 in the final match.

Manalo's GLI before the final match would have been 4.33 (78 losses in 18 matches), exactly the same as Reyes' (39 losses in 9 matches). The math says that Reyes would still have a lower GLI by winning 8-4 for the final match. (However, if Manalo ended up winning 7 racks against Efren, then he would had the lower GLI by the slimmest of margins).

So Efren would be on the hill regardless of this gaff by the officials. Third and fourth place prize money is a different story though. As it turns out now, Django has the lowest GLI so he should get 3rd and Manalo 4th. However, if Manalo won that match, he would have had a better match record than Django, and he would have gotten 3rd place. That's a difference of $10k! Big difference. Fire that official!

 

[JAWS]

i believe that there are times when asking the audience is acceptable under the rules

 

[jay helfert]

Bad Call

The score was 5-5. Bustamante dogs the runout and ties up his ball. Manalo plays safe. Busta knocks one of Manalo's balls up table, leaving only the tied up balls and the 8-ball down table, with all of Manalo's balls up table.

Manalo plays this safe, instead of separating the balls:

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The referee doesn't realize what Manalo was doing, and couldn't tell if it was a good hit. Folks, it was a good hit by a mile, but the cueball grazed the one ball on the way in, hit the cushion, and immediately hit the one ball again. I think the ref. didn't realize what Manalo was doing.

Bustamante points to the crowd when someone says, "Foul." The referee asks the crowd, and three people say it was. SCREW THAT!!!! It was a good hit, and the replays will show it.

In the meantime, Busta take ball in hand and cans this bank:

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to win the game, and proceeds to run out the set.

Manalo may not make the finals if Busta wins again.

Fred <~~~ not happy

They need better Refs! And someone tell Kirstin Pires that one game is not a "set". HELLO!

 

[jay helfert]

From Kirstin Pires at IPT's site...

"Buzz from the camera men was that they reviewed the tape and the call was good. But either way, the call wasn’t questioned at the time it was made, so it stands."

I'd be stunned if a ref even acknowledged the crowd, but I'm not there.

She doesn't even know the difference between a "game" and a "set". I wouldn't rely on her.