Mark Tadd
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cueball1950 said:
i saw dennis trounce mark at chelsea in the mid 90's. it was very late, maybe after midnight, and dennis let mark to the table maybe once. mark conceded it was dennis's night. he just broke and ran all evening,,,,possibly the most boring match i've ever seen. no spot, i believe, but it didn't matter.
i told this before because i was actually more impressed with mark!!! he was chomping at the bit to get a chance in spite of getting creamed. when dennis broke without sinking a ball, mark leaped to the table and ran it in less than a minute,,, broke, came up dry, sat, and was never at the table again.
ginsu said:
ginsu.... i would have to agree from everything i have heard about Mark Tadd. But if not for Tony veryifying it i would not have believed it myself......................mike
bruin70 said:
bruin.....was Tony Robles and his father there. Maybe that is where they played. I thought it was at Tony's fathers place. I may be and probably am wrong on where it took place...........mike
cueball1950 said:
It was Cliff, alright. I may have underestimated his speed at the time, but he didn't play bad at all. I spoke to him on the phone about a year ago, I think. We have a mutual friend who used to work at PBL, who moved back to the NYC/NJ area before I moved south, and we've kept in contact. Cliff calls or writes him frequently.
bruin70 said:
Dennis could spot Efren the 3-out, and if Efren never gets to the table, Dennis wins. Everyone should keep in mind, that no matter who spots who, if only one person is playing, it doesn't matter who gave what to who. I've heard of Mark Tadd giving pros weight, and the same thing, they got to the table maybe twice. Doesn't mean much when both players are capable of running the whole set out.
exactly....
I've tried to explain this concept to people and for some reason they just don't get it. At that level of play, the advantage that a spot gives is insignificant. A bigger spot would be the breaks. In fact, the few times that I play for money, if someone offers me weight I just ask for the breaks.
cuetechasaurus said:
I've tried to explain this concept to people and for some reason they just don't get it. At that level of play, the advantage that a spot gives is insignificant. A bigger spot would be the breaks. In fact, the few times that I play for money, if someone offers me weight I just ask for the breaks.
Pushout said:
Pushout.....if you see or talk with Cliff please tell him that Mike peabody says Hi.... We go back a long long way....great person he is.......mike
cueball1950 said:
I won't see him, that's for sure. I've been unemployed for over 2 years, going to tech college full time. I've got a semester break coming, but don't have the money to go north, either driving or flying. It's been about 5 years since I've been back to Binghamton.
We have Vonage, so I may call Ball Busters some Saturday, the current owner is an old friend of mine.
Voodoo Daddy
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wow, way off
Possibly one of if not THE dumbest statement I have read in a while. I know Mark Tadd from his road days...great player and triple tough to beat and I would never take anything away from his talent but your NOT giving Hatch his due. I guess the diference is they both stopped playing for an extended amount of time <different reasons granted> but Dennis came back to be a world beater after his sabatical.
ginsu said:
Possibly one of if not THE dumbest statement I have read in a while. I know Mark Tadd from his road days...great player and triple tough to beat and I would never take anything away from his talent but your NOT giving Hatch his due. I guess the diference is they both stopped playing for an extended amount of time <different reasons granted> but Dennis came back to be a world beater after his sabatical.
I agree
I agree !! I cant believe anyone would say Dennis Hatch has no chance. I have played both players. I played Tadd back in 91 or 92. He would practice breaking for hours at a time. His work ethic was unreal. He worked hard at his game.I saw Dennis play four or five times last year in Florida. Dennis Hatch is one of the most fearless players I have ever seen. I would think he is capable of beating anyone if he is breaking well.Voodoo Daddy said:
kevin s said:
I can. And I sort of understand the phenomenon, too.
What happens is players that haven't spent a lot of time around multiple pros see one pro when they are having a hot day, and automatically think that player is the best in the world. Conversely, they see another pro have a bad day, and believe they are not capable of beating so and so.
Guess what, everyone? ANY good pro can run 10 racks on a bar table, on any given day. ANY good pro can run 6 racks on a 9 foot table on any given day. ANY good pro has the ability to totally shut out their opponent for one set.
Kevin, you're right. It is ludicrous to think there is ANYone that Dennis won't lay the smack down on on any given day, gambling or tournament. Dennis is a world class player that just happens to be not totally in the game right now.
Furthermore, If Dennis decided to say right now that he was going to win the U.S. Open next year, and wanted 10-1 on a bet against it, I sure as hell wouldn't give him those odds. All a player of Dennis' caliber needs is for someone to say they are washed up. The same thing happened to Jose Parica a few years back when he overheard a bunch of Filipinos saying he was over the hill and couldn't win anymore.
He won at least three tournaments later that year, after having been in a dry spell.
Russ
The truth was more like the reverse, according to W.W. Woody in Buddy Hall's biography Rags to Rifleman, Then What? Efren may have been tired from winning the tournament, but Buddy had been sitting at the bar for several hours drinking, and was loaded. Efren's stakehorse approached Buddy to play 10 ahead 10-ball for $10,000.cuetechasaurus said:
Buddy started glugging coffee and hitting warmup balls. When they started, Efren ran the first two racks. Buddy answered with a 5-pack. He played near perfect pool, which evidently broke Efren down. Buddy took less than two hours to win the set.
Efren said he was tired, and that he'd play some more the next day. Buddy and his horse hung around for several days waiting, but Efren never showed. They finally left for Florida.
Doc
gulfportdoc said:
I wouldnt believe the book, it sounds like there is some hype in it. I also forgot to mention that not only do Cardone and DiLiberto say that Efren had been up playing for two days with no rest, but Scott Smith says so too!! I highly doubt that he would lie about that, especially to an audience which was the Derby City Classic about two years ago. He told the story of Efren coming as Cesar Morales, and then says that he beat every top player for the cash over a span of two days with no sleep. Then Scott says "The only player to beat Efren was Buddy, but Efren was visibly tired and could barely keep his eyes open".
Incardona also points out that Efren's backers were not scared of Buddy. Both Efren and Buddy just had a mutual respect for each other, and would not ask the other one to play. If either one did ask to play, supposedly they would have played, but that mutual respect was so strong, they never did.
In his book 'Rags to Rifleman' of course they are gonna exaggerate Buddy's win over Efren at Red's. It's a book, they gotta make everything look good. Kinda of like Playing 'Off The Rail', there were quite a few exaggerations in that book.
cuetechasaurus said:
For what its worth, Parica told me that Buddy was supposed to play Efren again the next day and Efren never showed. Parica also said that the last year Buddy won the US Open ('98 I believe) Buddy offered to play Efren some even 9-ball for any amount if Efren would come to Florida where Buddy's stakehorse lived and Efren politely declined. Parica said when Buddy was playing good, no one could beat him in an ahead set. I also have an accu-stats video where Grady says that Buddy was the best money player ever and that in the 25 years he had known Buddy that no one beat Buddy playing for any serious amount of money. Grady said he knows from experiance because the story was true about him not missing a single ball while playing Buddy 3 or 4 races to 11 for money and Grady still lost.
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cuetechasaurus said:
I call BS on this. First Efren is known for his legendary staying power. Second Buddy put a runout clinic on him. Third Buddy had been drinking and carousing as well.
Buddy literally ran out the set so Efren didn't get much to shoot at.
I have traveled a little bit with Buddy Hall. Buddy once told Efren, Parica and Bustamante that all three of them could play IF they each bet $10,000 and he played them one after the other. Not one of them stepped up.
I LOVE Efren Reyes. He is a humble and gracious guy as well as the greatest player of the modern era. I won't stand by however when people want to denigrate other great players who were JUST AS CAPABLE like Buddy Hall. Buddy Hall in his prime was a man that absolutely unequivocably feared no player breathing in a money game.
He beat Efren simply because Buddy Hall was the best player in the world at that time for the money. I am QUITE sure that Efren's backers didn't want to go broke trying to outrun Buddy's stroke.
kevin s said:
yes it is true, i remember Fred Guranio just had the tables recovered and mark tadd walks in to able 18 (in92 or93)and starts breaking the balls, i sat there fora while and watched, i left to go eat or something and came back a few hours later and mark was still hammering away,he didnt use a rack he had big hands and set them tight with them, Fred came back there was a huge divit where mark was breaking from and fred was *****ing that his newly recovered table was ruined and it was, he didnt recover them for along time and the damage mark did in 3-4 hours to the cloth never could be brushed away,
i watched mark at cue club play CJ Wiley 10 ahead for 10,000 CJ wins 2 sets in just over an hour mark only won only 3 racks. 23-3 was the final, CJ made 4 out of 4 jump shots and had shape each time, nobody in the world could have beat CJ that night, Buddy hall, efren noone because cj never missed a ball, i have never seen 9B played like that, no one could play that good all the time, mark and who ever backed him just caught /cj at the wrong time
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playboy said:Was maybe the most talented pool player I ever saw..except for maybe Jack Hines,but that's another story..I've heard a hundred different stories as 2 why he gave up pool for 10 years(religious reasons primarily)..but I don't think anyone knows for sure except Mark(and his stakehorse LMAO)
Anyway I understand he made a comeback last year..has anyone seen him recently?.. and if so,how is he hittin'em? and is he gambling again?
Any Mark Tadd info AZ?
I staked Mark to play in the Reno tourney last December. He finished something like 17-24th for $500. I told him to keep the money and I would stake him at Derby City in January. He just had to show up. He was a no show, and we have only talked one time since.
jay helfert said:
i feel bad for him is a way, i think he is just lost. I awalys got that vibe from him, i remember one night during the WSOP he was playing in a side game-big $$$ he didnt know how to play poker this was in 92, he was loud walking around trying to fit in etc. I was just a rail bird. The fat lady who ran that part of the poker room-the Mint side of the Horseshoe was walking by shaking her head about Mark and his antics he wasnt out of line, I asked he if she knew who he was, she perked up and said no but we have all been wondering, he has been comming in here and loseing piles of $$$ like it was nothing, she asked if i knew, and if he had a rich family, I said no he is one of the best pool players in the world, she knew Slim, and some other pool players but i went into detail on his level of play and assured her that he probably won what ever he lost a week before and he had alot of people that staked him in big action, she said it was too bad because he couldnt play a lick of poker, I replyed" dont worrie he will, thats the kind of guy he is, he does what ever it takes to get good" she shook her head and walked away, this is the gods honest truth.