MARK WILSON Phase3 and Phase 4

Teacherman said:
I thought this was a pool/billiard site....but it's hard to find any knowledge here....

... No change in personnel needed.
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Or from my point of view & what I saw, one player basically gave Europe 3 points in a race to 11 by losing what should have been wins.

Best Wishes to You & Yours...

& All.
 
(((Satori))) said:
Why not let the players pick their teams?

For instance... if Bergman, Hall, Chip, Joey, and Skylar decided that they had a chance then they could sign up as a team. If Johnny, Shane, Rodney, Earl, Hatch teamed up then they are in. If Corey, Mike, Sossie, Mills, Oscar sign up then they are in. And so on and so on.


The teams that sign up have a team type tournament and the winning team is team U.S.A.
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If I quote myself does it show up to the people who have me on ignore?:smile:
 
watchez said:
I like that idea along with adding something on this lines with an AtLarge - Accustats scoring mechanism to give the player an overall rating to add to his win/loss. Not sure a player should be dinged hard because in a race to 5, alternate break if your opponent broke and ran all his racks and you lose 5-3 making one mistake.

The only way to do a round robin tournament would be to put each of the 10 players in isolation chambers. Pull two out at a time, play their match and then put them back in their chamber. This was when Player X is best friends with Player Y and it comes down to their last match, and Player X is 4-0, he lets his buddy win. For that matter, you put the players up that you know are close friends with each other against each other first.

Or have 12 players who are the top point getters, do a 16 man double elim tourney - race to 5. Top 4 point getters through out the year get a bye in the first round. Top 4 finishers and one captain pick is your team. And the tournament is run with their opponent allowed to scream at the other player from a distance of 6 feet whenever he wants --- next years event will be in front of 2500 drunk Europeans, let's see who can take the heat.

They want to have all these point tourneys all across the country, tying in some of the regional tours along with national events. Well, let's say SVB was Donny Mills and didn't like to travel. What tournaments are gonna be convenient to him in Sioux Falls SD. While Oscar gets to play in a dozen events in California/Vegas throughout the year that are within 3 hours of his house.
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The round robin thing would have to have to the hammer of the Captain picking the whole squad to reduce the amount of BS. Just knowing that even if you miss the top five by one loss you may still have a chance if you do everything else right could mitigate the nonsense. But still tough because players gonna player.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of two five man teams playing the whole cup format and choosing from there. You are gonna see guys get stuck with partners that shoot up in the air and see how they deal with it. Does a guy focus or just give up? You put the guys in the grease and pick the ones who make the best squad at that time and place.

As far as points I dont think there is an easy solution. Of the cuff it seems you either do a small number of big events or give points to everything over $1000 added so it evens out the chance for people to get to them. One way to mitigate any weirdness in the points availability is to take the top ten for trials.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Thanks for the chuckle.:wink:
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You're welcome.

Seriously though. The players who pick their own teammates will have team chemistry and the top players are going to be selected on someones team... more than likely an elite team will be formed. So I like the idea. But if that elite team gets beat then the winning team goes.
 
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Just thinking about this trials thing and I know its kind of what Mark did his first year but it all took place basically behind closed doors. What I'm imagining is basically a mini cup. Imagine it at Steinway or somewhere similar with a good crowd and a quality stream. There would be a lot to sell with something like that.

I would hope some money could be ginned up as a prize fund. Instead of paying winning team the guys who dont make the last cut would get some jelly. Always holes but interesting possibilities.
 
Yes....you can't....won't....offer any percentages....because it will expose your lack. And if the same exact shot was selected as a safety....in another point in the game....having to hit the 7 thin and freezing up on the 9.....you would be all over his ass for playing a low.....very low....extremely low....percentage shot.

Again....you don't find much knowledge here.

Set the shot up.

You get to hit it once a day for 30 days. You have to freeze up on the 9.

LMAO
 
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(((Satori))) said:
You're welcome.

Seriously though. The players who pick their own teammates will have team chemistry and the top players are going to be selected on someones team... more than likely an elite team will be formed. So I like the idea.
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I like it too.

Then, there would be no need for a 'Captain', but then perhaps only a Team Administrator appointed & paid for by Match Room.

Also, perhaps they should emulate the Ryder Cup where the numbers are changed so a tie can be had with the holder retaining The Cup or like the President's Cup does where in the event of a tie the Captains pick players to play for the deciding point, or maybe the Captains should play.

Best 2 Ya.
 
Teacherman said:
Yes....you can't....won't....offer any percentages....because it will expose your lack. And if the same exact shot was selected as a safety....in another point in the game....having to hit the 7 thin and freezing up on the 9.....you would be all over his ass for playing a low.....very low....extremely low....percentage shot.

Again....you don't find much knowledge here.

Set the shot up.

You get to hit it once a day for 30 days. You have to freeze up on the 9.

LMAO
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I wouldn't expect him to make that mistake more than 5% of the time.

So if that's your definition of a bad roll then so be it.

I prefer to stay out of fantasy land and say he played the shot poorly. It happens. He definitely played more great shots than bad.
 
ENGLISH! said:
I like it too.

Then, there would be no need for a 'Captain', but then perhaps only a Team Administrator appointed & paid for by Match Room.

Also, perhaps they should emulate the Ryder Cup where the numbers are changed so a tie can be had with the holder retaining The Cup or like the President's Cup does where in the event of a tie the Captains pick players to play for the deciding point, or maybe the Captains should play.

Best 2 Ya.
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The problem is what happens when you get three "teams" who say they are coming? One shows up with four, one shows up with three and Earl stabs someone.

It sounds good in theory but as someone who has herded his share of cats it would be a bloody nightmare in execution. Plus you would lose all the hype of the points throughout the year.
 
Holding yourself should NEVER happen at that level unless there were some very very mitigating circumstance that make the shot requirement very tough.

He merely shot a loose shot. Sort of a brain fart. It does happen...

but it should not happen at that level & especially with what's at stake.

Best Wishes 2 All.
 
BeiberLvr said:
I wouldn't expect him to make that mistake more than 5% of the time.

So if that's your definition of a bad roll then so be it.

I prefer to stay out of fantasy land and say he played the shot poorly. It happens. He definitely played more great shots than bad.
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And if you had any knowledge you'd be talking about his 6 ball....not whether the 7 was a roll or not.

The 6 ball was an unforced error....which is the point of my earlier post.
 
JCIN said:
I agree with a lot of what you say but the thing is the US always loses because they make more unforced errors. Also they usually failed to make the Euros pay when they made one. This year was certainly progress but to act like the US just barely missed I think is giving them a bit too much credit. Especially considering where they are gonna be playing next year.
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That's the bottom line, isn't it? All things being equal, we just flat out made more mistakes. I'll just throw this out there, because it sticks out to me every year...the videography at the MC every year is so good, it really gives you good looks/POVs that shows the players' various PSRs and strokes in ways you don't normally see. What I always see is that the Euros all have similar if not identical PSRs, all address the CB where they intend to hit it, etc., while the U.S. players are all over the map with their strokes. Not sure what it indicates, but no one can deny the Euros weren't stroking straight.

I'm starting to agree with the others that maybe the only players with experience next year should be Sky and Justin. The others have all had enough bites at the apple, let's make it a true young stable across the board. Logan's Run rules, no one over say 32 years of age. Then maybe Mark would have a team that totally buys into his vision and really IS a team...a team that is actually coachable.
 
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JCIN said:
The problem is what happens when you get three "teams" who say they are coming? One shows up with four, one shows up with three and Earl stabs someone.

It sounds good in theory but as someone who has herded his share of cats it would be a bloody nightmare in execution. Plus you would lose all the hype of the points throughout the year.
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I hear you & can see the 'mess'...

But if 'they' want their team then they would have to make sure that they don't forfeit out.

If they forfeit out, then they forfeit out.

I think this is hypothetical as I seriously doubt that Match Room would sign off on the likes of a 'their own team' kind of concept.

I've played on a lot of flag football teams that never made the playoffs.

I then put together a team of friends that I thought would be a good team. We made the payoffs but lost in them when the size of the playing field was changed & was an advantage to a much younger team.

The "TEAM" concept is a good one, when it's a TRUE TEAM.

Best 2 You & All.
 
How much does anyone think the European Capt. 'Coached' that team in the sense that some seem to mean it?

To put any age limit on the team just to 'go young' is totally wrong IMO. I don't care if it has a 12 year old & 70 year old on it as long as they can flat out play for the TEAM WIN!

Playing for the TEAM WIN means putting one's self aside & that means relying on your team mates too. Don't make an unforced error trying to do more than is necessary because you may not have trust in your team mate & because you arrogantly 'know' you can do it.

Instead... just do just enough that IS necessary & trust that your team mate will do what is necessary too.

Doing what is necessary gets the job done. Making mistakes trying to do what is unnecessary usually leads to NOT getting the job done.

Some seem to think that Mark Wilson has some new found formula. I don't think so. It's just that the US Teams have had some not so good team mates for at times various reasons.

Get 5 good TEAM mates & my 2 year old Grandson can 'Captain' the TEAM.

That said, it Certainly helps (perhaps a lot) if the TEAM really wants to WIN for the Captain, maybe even more so than they want to WIN for themselves & their team mates (or the Fans).

Most of Vince Lombardi's players wanted to Win as much for him as they did for any other reason. They did that because they knew how important doing what it takes to WIN was to him... & Winning is the judge of how well one or a team has done that.

Best Wishes to ALL.
 
West Point 1987 said:
That's the bottom line, isn't it? All things being equal, we just flat out made more mistakes. I'll just throw this out there, because it sticks out to me every year...the videography at the MC every year is so good, it really gives you good looks/POVs that shows the players' various PSRs and strokes in ways you don't normally see. What I always see is that the Euros all have similar if not identical PSRs, all address the CB where they intend to hit it, etc., while the U.S. players are all over the map with their strokes. Not sure what it indicates, but no one can deny the Euros weren't stroking straight.

I'm starting to agree with the others that maybe the only players with experience next year should be Sky and Justin. The others have all had enough bites at the apple, let's make it a true young stable across the board. Logan's Run rules, no one over say 32 years of age. Then maybe Mark would have a team that totally buys into his vision and really IS a team...a team that is actually coachable.
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+5 for Logan's Run reference
 
Dear Mark,

Other people's views and troubles can be contagious. Don't sabotage yourself by unwittingly adopting negative, unproductive attitudes through your associations with others.

Your friend,
Epictetus



- - Applicable to both players and fans.
 
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