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Watching "The Hustler" I noticed a wall sign at Ames that that read "No Masse' Shots". I know jumping has always been a source of contention, but I was unaware of masse' ever being frowned upon. I assumed it had always been generally accepted as part of the game. Was it disapproved of in a specific era or just in certain pool halls? Can someone gives us a little history on this?
 
There are all kinds of house rules in lots of pool halls, I have been in a few pool halls where the rules are NO JUMP SHOTS, NO MASSE. The oddest was "IF CB HITS FLOOR = LOSS OF GAME. For those that stuck with the rule it sure did make them play more delicately and you didn't see any real jumping.
 
The room owner is attempting to protect his equipment from injury. A good player rarely has a problem performing a shot with masse, but a neophyte can reek havoc with the table cloth. Therefore the signs. :smile:
 
The room owner is attempting to protect his equipment from injury. A good player rarely has a problem performing a shot with masse, but a neophyte can reek havoc with the table cloth. Therefore the signs. :smile:

This quote.

Sadly, I was once a neophyte. I had to practice somewhere (and without an instructor, might I add)...:(

Still, it was all well worth it. :)
 
Watching "The Hustler" I noticed a wall sign at Ames that that read "No Masse' Shots". I know jumping has always been a source of contention, but I was unaware of masse' ever being frowned upon. I assumed it had always been generally accepted as part of the game. Was it disapproved of in a specific era or just in certain pool halls? Can someone gives us a little history on this?

:smile:

In the old days, jump shots were illegal so there was no need for a sign.
 
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Watching "The Hustler" I noticed a wall sign at Ames that that read "No Masse' Shots". I know jumping has always been a source of contention, but I was unaware of masse' ever being frowned upon. I assumed it had always been generally accepted as part of the game. Was it disapproved of in a specific era or just in certain pool halls? Can someone gives us a little history on this?
At the Student Union where I learned to play, Mr. Stone (the manager) had posted signs:
No Gambling
No Masse Shots
Use the Ashtrays
Whenever one of us started to do a masse shot during our small-stakes games, someone would say "Use the ashtrays" and we'd all laugh and the shooter would try the masse shot. Of course that would be in the evenings when Stoney was not there. I think he had no problem with the gambling but torn cloth and ashes on the tables offended him.

I think it was a standard sign for pool halls more honored in the breach than the observance.
 
I appreciate everyone's replies. It's interesting learning about how the game and establishments evolved. That time period seemed to have developed some of the greatest venues for pool in the U.S. That line,"This is Ames mister" sure gave the impression of integrity. What a time in history!
 
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In the old days, jump shots were illegal so there was no need a sign for it.
I think this was only a local rule. So far as I know, jump shots have always been legal at pool according to the official rules.
 
I think this was only a local rule. So far as I know, jump shots have always been legal at pool according to the official rules.

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Round balls were made to roll on tables, not jumped. Balls leaving the table surface was not allowed. This is the official rule when I played a long time ago. It didn't need to be written down.

Lots of different books with different rules.

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Watching "The Hustler" I noticed a wall sign at Ames that that read "No Masse' Shots". I know jumping has always been a source of contention, but I was unaware of masse' ever being frowned upon. I assumed it had always been generally accepted as part of the game. Was it disapproved of in a specific era or just in certain pool halls? Can someone gives us a little history on this?

I am guessing that Masse' shots were more common in 3 cushion games back then. (may be wrong) I wonder how often a person actually used a shot like that in pocket billiards. I have never used a over the shoulder masse' shot in straight pool, and maybe only once used a jump shot. It seems to me that there are usually more options in a straight pool game and your seldom forced to use a last resort shot.

In either case it was just to protect the equipment as others have already said.
 
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Round balls were made to roll on tables, not jumped. Balls leaving the table surface was not allowed. This is the official rule when I played a long time ago. It didn't need to be written down.

Lots of different books with different rules.

:sorry:

A official rule that isn't written down is not "official"!

Maybe you meant to say unspoken rule?:)
 
Watching "The Hustler" I noticed a wall sign at Ames that that read "No Masse' Shots". I know jumping has always been a source of contention, but I was unaware of masse' ever being frowned upon. I assumed it had always been generally accepted as part of the game. Was it disapproved of in a specific era or just in certain pool halls? Can someone gives us a little history on this?

I would take a guess in that the masse shot is a high skill shot and is difficult to learn, someone repeatedly practicing masse shots will really tear up a table. So "No masse" shot was a common sign seen in pool rooms. That is not to say when they came up people didn't do them but it was frowned on.

The masse shot per say, (A complete change or direction of the cue ball, not just a light curve), is not really that common in pool but in straight rail billiards it is a very common shot and it's use in pool is a cross over. Either way, I saw those signs in almost every pool room I went in back in the 60's. Many even had signs, "No Powder", "Don't sit on the tables", "Quiet" and so on. In most all cases it was the call by the establishment and had to be respected. I remember one place I went if the guy saw you with a can of power he went after you like you had insulted his mother.

Mean time I played in places, usually in the south, where they never used bridges and you would see a guy on his knees in the middle of the table shooting.

I had to come back and add this. I had forgotten that way back when the cloth was not like today. It was mostly wool and you could put a tear in it very easily. Heck, I remember actually tearing it when stretching a new cloth too much. Most pool rooms had tables where you could see repairs in the cloth often making the cueball change directions when it rolled over it. They didn't even like seeing you break on a new cloth, many places would give you a small piece of scrap cloth to break from. The cloth today is bulletproof compared to that old stuff.
 
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A official rule that isn't written down is not "official"!

Maybe you meant to say unspoken rule?:)

:ok:

Just remember...there was no official ball in hand rule a long time ago and it was not written or spoken of....

:sorry:

:ignore:
 
With my bad position, I do a lot of masse' shots. With the right tip it really isn't bad. You got to know your tip and what you can do with it.

Some tips grab more than others and some don't grab at all. You just got to know your tip.
 
With my bad position, I do a lot of masse' shots. With the right tip it really isn't bad. You got to know your tip and what you can do with it.

Some tips grab more than others and some don't grab at all. You just got to know your tip.

It's also worth mentioning that one persons idea of a masse shot could be very different than another persons. I think the real shot that is in question are the extreme, over the shoulder shots that tend to dig into the cloth.

I actually had a person pull this "house rule" crap on me one time when I curved the cue ball around a blocker ball using a relatively level stroke. He said "Foul, you can't Masse'!" I said it wasn't a masse' shot I just used a lot of left hand spin at the correct speed (it only broke a inch or so)......... He lost the argument and his money.:wink:
 
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