Matching a shaft

cueguy

cueguy

Just a repair guy
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Hello cue masters. I am just a beginning repair guy - have been doing tips, ferrules, cleaning, wraps for a few years. Also a couple of butts with the knowledgable help from Jim Sickle. I have a customer that has purchased a 314 shaft and it doesn't fit perfectly on the butt. It has a very small overhang on one side. Could anyone give me good ideas on how the best way to match it back up? I appreciate any and all responses.
Thanks, Larry.
 
cueguy said:
Hello cue masters. I am just a beginning repair guy - have been doing tips, ferrules, cleaning, wraps for a few years. Also a couple of butts with the knowledgable help from Jim Sickle. I have a customer that has purchased a 314 shaft and it doesn't fit perfectly on the butt. It has a very small overhang on one side. Could anyone give me good ideas on how the best way to match it back up? I appreciate any and all responses.
Thanks, Larry.
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Larry,
Many things can be happening IMO. The pin might not be centered in the cue, or the shaft insert might be not centered in the shaft. What Type of cue is it? Did someone make a custom Predator Shaft, or is it one purchased from the factory? I can help further with those questions answered. Jim
 
i would flat-face both the shaft and the butt again to make sure the face is right.if that doesn't work,you could screw them together in the lather and fix it.
 
The butt is a McDermott and the new shaft is a 314-2. I believe he recently purchased the shaft from a dealer here in town. It seems that about 1/4 of the shaft fits just right and the other 3/4 hangs over just a tiny bit - hardly noticeable. Just enough for him to want it corrected. Thanks, Larry.
 
if your lathe chuck is on center, set up your dial indicator to see which one is off.... speculating will never find out the problem.

***make sure the lathe is dead nuts on before any check for an off-center shaft or butt... :) ..... jflan
 
Join the cue. Chuck up below the joint on a $25,000 Hardinge lathe.
Set up the taper bar to match the taper of the butt.
Take a real fine pass on that shaft collar's overhang. Refinish after.
Joey~Dreaming of a Hardinge Lathe~
 
To repair the problem that you have can be done in a couple of ways. It really doesn't matter much which is off center, the pin or the shaft threading as the fix is the same. If the pin is not centered then it could be removed, plugged and replaced where it should be but then the other shafts for the cue will no longer fit. If the insert or thread hole is off center then that could be plugged and drilled/tapped properly but the problem with doing either of these options is you are back to where you were where instead of hanging over in one area it will hang over all the way around.

The easiest and most economical and the way I would repair it is to chuck up the butt so that the joint is running true. Now put on the shaft, making sure that it does not need facing to make run straight as this can't be done later. Now turn the deco-ring so that the high side is now concentric with the joint. Sand and put on some finish and send out the door. If you don't have the equipment to turn the shaft and butt together then you can use a file to cut the high areas down even with the joint then sand and finish.

Dick
 
If you hold the butt stationary straight up and down and spin the shaft off does the shaft wobble side to side like the insert is off center or does it spin off straight. If it spins off straight Chuck the butt up and cut the shaft rings to the but and refinish the joint IMO.
 
Varney Cues said:
Grab me one if they have a scratch & dent yard sale.:D
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they won't even have to worry about calling a shipper, I'll come pick it up...lol :p
 
They would have to move the decimal a couple places to the left for me to get one ;-) Thanks for the info - I'll try it out tomorrow and let ya know.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Thank God something is still made in the US.
Absolutely the best manual lathe imo.
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Wrong! Wrong! There are many other things worth having, sometimes, made in the good ole U.S.. The operating manuals for all the equipment made elsewhere. The really sorry thing is, not just that most manufacturing has left the country but that the manufacturers of the basic machinery needed to build machinery is now gone. With a large war, we can't even build machinery to build war time needed supplies ( tanks, bombs, cannons missiles and such ).

Dick
 
rhncue said:
Wrong! Wrong! There are many other things worth having, sometimes, made in the good ole U.S.. The operating manuals for all the equipment made elsewhere. The really sorry thing is, not just that most manufacturing has left the country but that the manufacturers of the basic machinery needed to build machinery is now gone. With a large war, we can't even build machinery to build war time needed supplies ( tanks, bombs, cannons missiles and such ).

Dick
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Are you referring to Clausing or Cincinnati lathes Dick?
 
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JoeyInCali said:
Are you referring to Clausing or Cincinnati lathes Dick?
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Not sure what you mean, Joey. I was just trying to be fisicious with the answer I gave concerning what the U.S. manufacturing industry has fallen into being, that, instead of building things, all we do now is explain how to use them.
As far as machine tool builders are concerned, the entire industry is gone. You can now count the U.S owned machine tool builders on one hand in this country compared to the past when the U.S was the number one country in the world furnishing machine tools to literally every country in the world. Anywhere in the world, if you needed serious machinery, you had to buy American.

Dick
 
Hardinge

rhncue said:
Not sure what you mean, Joey. I was just trying to be fisicious with the answer I gave concerning what the U.S. manufacturing industry has fallen into being, that, instead of building things, all we do now is explain how to use them.
As far as machine tool builders are concerned, the entire industry is gone. You can now count the U.S owned machine tool builders on one hand in this country compared to the past when the U.S was the number one country in the world furnishing machine tools to literally every country in the world. Anywhere in the world, if you needed serious machinery, you had to buy American.

Dick
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Hardinge is the best. In the past I had several 2nd op Hardinges and a tool room lathe. Incidently, Hardinge recently bought Bridgeport.

Bob Flynn
Denali Pool Cues
 
rhncue said:
Not sure what you mean, Joey. I was just trying to be fisicious with the answer I gave concerning what the U.S. manufacturing industry has fallen into being, that, instead of building things, all we do now is explain how to use them.
As far as machine tool builders are concerned, the entire industry is gone. You can now count the U.S owned machine tool builders on one hand in this country compared to the past when the U.S was the number one country in the world furnishing machine tools to literally every country in the world. Anywhere in the world, if you needed serious machinery, you had to buy American.

Dick
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Oops, I didn't catch the humor there. Thanks.
Ain't it a shame. We could build a battleship in a few months in the 40's.
 
QMAKER said:
Hardinge is the best. In the past I had several 2nd op Hardinges and a tool room lathe.
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Hardinge was and is always about quality. Talking with some friends that work there, they have no substitute for their quality. Just a bit of info relayed to me, most of Hardinge customers are overseas. Only about 30% or so is US based.

It's really something that something made so close to home has world wide recognition.

Craig
 
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