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With dozens of world-beating Asian players out of commission due to covid restrictions, now is the time for US and European players to put the hammer down to try to win major championships.
Agreed, and your post whets our collective appetites for the kind of fields we'll get again when the Asians rejoin the major tournament scene. That said, I do not agree that there are dozens of Asians that will figure in the major titles. Ten or twelve might be a better estimate. Finally, I wonder whether we'll see Dennis Orcullo in the Europe-based majors.
 
With dozens of world-beating Asian players out of commission due to covid restrictions, now is the time for US and European players to put the hammer down to try to win major championships.
I doubt there are dozens. Pre-Covid, Asians had no Monopoly on major events.

Can't wait though to see the top Asians competing again.
 
I doubt there are dozens. Pre-Covid, Asians had no Monopoly on major events.

Can't wait though to see the top Asians competing again.
I was thinking of this chart:


20+ players are highlighted. I agree that it's more like 10-12 that form the core of the major contenders though.
 
Another thing worth noting is that the conditions got tougher as the week continued. Credit to Karl Boyes for mentioning early in the week that this would be the case. Both of the tables in use got about ten hours of play on each of the first seven days of the event. By the time we got to the climactic eighth day, the top pros were playing on worn cloth and the conditions were noticeably a little tougher than on day one.
They recovered the tables after stage one, which was day six I believe.
 
sjm, what are your thoughts on SVB winning another major(s)? He's still racking up prize money via deep finishes in basically every tournament he enters, but his wins seem to have dried up a bit since 2017 or so, which coincides with the rise of Filler, Gorst, Ouschan (although Ouschan nabbed a world title in 2016), and even Shaw to a degree. It will also be even tougher for him to win another one once the Taiwanese players are back in action in the major events.
You didn't address this to me but here is my take: SVB has shown us that he will be very hard pressed to win another major like this.

Skill-wise he is playing as good as ever. The competition has grown much stronger and is only getting stronger. What isn't the same is his desire and mindset.

This isn't taking a shot at him. SVB was the most dominant pool player in the world for about 10 years. That is an accomplishment shared by only a handful of people throughout history. There is no reason for SVB to feel anything but pride and satisfaction looking back on his career. But along with that satisfaction comes ice fishing and a little less fight.

This has played out the same for the last five years. SVB will get himself deep into events due to his overall great skill level, but come up a little short in the key moments. His opponents seem to want it more and be ready to make things go their way. I think of the two 2nd place finishes at the world championships, on top of the many other deep runs he's made in big tournaments only to have things go sideways at the end. As recently as 2016 things didn't go sideways for him, it was the opposite: When it looked like he had no road to victory he'd find a way. Now it looks like the stars would have to align because he isn't getting through these matches tournament after tournament.

This format was a great example. As long as it was a marathon, with a series of many races to 5, and no one set being all that defining, SVB was in good shape. He put his autopilot on, caught a gear, and was able to manage through the levels of pressure that came along. The moment is shifted to sudden death he fell way behind on score to Albin and proceeded to get eliminated. I know this is a super small sample size of one race to seven (that is why I wish I could've seen more pool here), but this just feels like how it's going to go. Compare that to Filler and Albin who both seem to be mentally where SVB was 10 years ago.

With SVB's skills he's certainly a threat to win if things go his way, and it's not impossible that he catches a second wind in his career. But with what we've seen right now he's shown that it is very unlikely that while he's going to always be around the last stretches of any major, he's an underdog to win the last handful of sets.

Again I feel the need to say this is no disrespect. None of us on these forums could do any better. We're talking about adversity beyond anything I've faced in my pool lifetime. Saying he isn't at his peak is really a compliment to his peak. SVB is among the greatest of all time and I'm honestly happy that he's in a spot where he's content in life and enjoying his time. He has brought so much inspiration to so many, he deserves some peace and joy.
 
1. The road 2. being gone. 3. Living outta hotels. 4. Restaurant food etc. eventually has to run it's course.
With payouts & expenses no where near other sports, the GRIND is waaaaaaay more prevalent for pool players than, golfers, tennis pros at his level. He's borne from a pool family, and I'm impressed what family did to get em to this stage in life.
Personally I think Shane should pull back and pick and choose events, instead of Always being out there, in the grind.
Plus he needs a good woman in his life, not one that plays pool.

Looking forward to the 8 ball Express doing what the Bloombergs have always done....he's still young.
 
You didn't address this to me but here is my take: SVB has shown us that he will be very hard pressed to win another major like this.

Skill-wise he is playing as good as ever. The competition has grown much stronger and is only getting stronger. What isn't the same is his desire and mindset.

This isn't taking a shot at him. SVB was the most dominant pool player in the world for about 10 years. That is an accomplishment shared by only a handful of people throughout history. There is no reason for SVB to feel anything but pride and satisfaction looking back on his career. But along with that satisfaction comes ice fishing and a little less fight.

This has played out the same for the last five years. SVB will get himself deep into events due to his overall great skill level, but come up a little short in the key moments. His opponents seem to want it more and be ready to make things go their way. I think of the two 2nd place finishes at the world championships, on top of the many other deep runs he's made in big tournaments only to have things go sideways at the end. As recently as 2016 things didn't go sideways for him, it was the opposite: When it looked like he had no road to victory he'd find a way. Now it looks like the stars would have to align because he isn't getting through these matches tournament after tournament.

This format was a great example. As long as it was a marathon, with a series of many races to 5, and no one set being all that defining, SVB was in good shape. He put his autopilot on, caught a gear, and was able to manage through the levels of pressure that came along. The moment is shifted to sudden death he fell way behind on score to Albin and proceeded to get eliminated. I know this is a super small sample size of one race to seven (that is why I wish I could've seen more pool here), but this just feels like how it's going to go. Compare that to Filler and Albin who both seem to be mentally where SVB was 10 years ago.

With SVB's skills he's certainly a threat to win if things go his way, and it's not impossible that he catches a second wind in his career. But with what we've seen right now he's shown that it is very unlikely that while he's going to always be around the last stretches of any major, he's an underdog to win the last handful of sets.

Again I feel the need to say this is no disrespect. None of us on these forums could do any better. We're talking about adversity beyond anything I've faced in my pool lifetime. Saying he isn't at his peak is really a compliment to his peak. SVB is among the greatest of all time and I'm honestly happy that he's in a spot where he's content in life and enjoying his time. He has brought so much inspiration to so many, he deserves some peace and joy.
I am curious if you know this to be true, or if you are just making an observation? I am not disputing you at all, but I see it posted all the time by different folks that "Shane is set for life", or "SVB would rather be ice fishing" or "He is not as hungry for titles as he used to be", Which all may very well be true, but I am wondering if this is based on any info directly from the Horse's mouth, so to speak.

Along those same lines, I thought Shaw looked and sounded in his interviews like he is getting close to his pre-covid form.
 
I am curious if you know this to be true, or if you are just making an observation? I am not disputing you at all, but I see it posted all the time by different folks that "Shane is set for life", or "SVB would rather be ice fishing" or "He is not as hungry for titles as he used to be", Which all may very well be true, but I am wondering if this is based on any info directly from the Horse's mouth, so to speak.

Along those same lines, I thought Shaw looked and sounded in his interviews like he is getting close to his pre-covid form.
Fair question.

Personally I think actions speak much, much louder than words. If SVB were to say that he was determined to win another major but then followed it up with fishing expeditions and a series of lack-luster finishes, would you believe the words or your own eyes?

But he actually has said this to me and many others. I was at Turning Stone in January 2020 and he came and joined me for lunch at the food court. He went on to explain that he'd probably play another 5 years and retire. I don't remember all of the details but it was clear he was looking at pool as a job, not a calling.

I'm not betraying any confidences here, he has been very transparent on this. In fact I think he's glad people understand where he's at. I don't want the SVB legend to be tarnished by the last few years. People newer to the game might not appreciate just how superhuman he was for most of a decade.

What's scary is that even when he's not all in he is still in contention. He got into a number of big action matches last year and performed high enough to stay on the top of the Fargo Rate boards through 2021. He may not be quite as clutch, but his level of play has never been better. And his C game is as good as the A games of all but the very best in the world. It is amazing.

So I'm not speaking out of bitterness like he's letting me down. SVB is and always will be a legend and an inspiration.
 
Fair question.

Personally I think actions speak much, much louder than words. If SVB were to say that he was determined to win another major but then followed it up with fishing expeditions and a series of lack-luster finishes, would you believe the words or your own eyes?

But he actually has said this to me and many others. I was at Turning Stone in January 2020 and he came and joined me for lunch at the food court. He went on to explain that he'd probably play another 5 years and retire. I don't remember all of the details but it was clear he was looking at pool as a job, not a calling.

I'm not betraying any confidences here, he has been very transparent on this. In fact I think he's glad people understand where he's at. I don't want the SVB legend to be tarnished by the last few years. People newer to the game might not appreciate just how superhuman he was for most of a decade.

What's scary is that even when he's not all in he is still in contention. He got into a number of big action matches last year and performed high enough to stay on the top of the Fargo Rate boards through 2021. He may not be quite as clutch, but his level of play has never been better. And his C game is as good as the A games of all but the very best in the world. It is amazing.

So I'm not speaking out of bitterness like he's letting me down. SVB is and always will be a legend and an inspiration.
Thanks for the explanation, it certainly adds validation to the point when it has come from his own lips. (y)

I feel as you do. There are very few "generational" talents. Those players who struck fear in their opponents just by showing up... Those athletes who were a favorite to win any event they entered. Michael Jordan in the playoffs, Pre- divorce Tiger Woods was almost laughably better than his peers, Serena Williams, Tom Brady.

I put SVB in that same category. You can almost see him take his opponents soul in those TAR matches when he catches that gear and starts stringing rack after rack together. And even though I expect Sky to surpass Shane as the US's best sooner rather than later, I doubt he will ever have the kind of aura around him that a 30 year old SVB had.
 
Thanks for the explanation, it certainly adds validation to the point when it has come from his own lips. (y)

I feel as you do. There are very few "generational" talents. Those players who struck fear in their opponents just by showing up... Those athletes who were a favorite to win any event they entered. Michael Jordan in the playoffs, Pre- divorce Tiger Woods was almost laughably better than his peers, Serena Williams, Tom Brady.

I put SVB in that same category. You can almost see him take his opponents soul in those TAR matches when he catches that gear and starts stringing rack after rack together. And even though I expect Sky to surpass Shane as the US's best sooner rather than later, I doubt he will ever have the kind of aura around him that a 30 year old SVB had.
Sky surpasses SVB when SVB becomes a full time fisherman.

Shane will be our best for at least 10 more years.

With the level of discipline Shane has, he might rival Earl on longevity. I suspect he's going to quit on his terms when the time comes.
 
Fair question.

Personally I think actions speak much, much louder than words. If SVB were to say that he was determined to win another major but then followed it up with fishing expeditions and a series of lack-luster finishes, would you believe the words or your own eyes?

But he actually has said this to me and many others. I was at Turning Stone in January 2020 and he came and joined me for lunch at the food court. He went on to explain that he'd probably play another 5 years and retire. I don't remember all of the details but it was clear he was looking at pool as a job, not a calling.

I'm not betraying any confidences here, he has been very transparent on this. In fact I think he's glad people understand where he's at. I don't want the SVB legend to be tarnished by the last few years. People newer to the game might not appreciate just how superhuman he was for most of a decade.

What's scary is that even when he's not all in he is still in contention. He got into a number of big action matches last year and performed high enough to stay on the top of the Fargo Rate boards through 2021. He may not be quite as clutch, but his level of play has never been better. And his C game is as good as the A games of all but the very best in the world. It is amazing.

So I'm not speaking out of bitterness like he's letting me down. SVB is and always will be a legend and an inspiration.
The man lost on the hill to be in the finals correct?
 
Sky surpasses SVB when SVB becomes a full time fisherman.

Shane will be our best for at least 10 more years.

With the level of discipline Shane has, he might rival Earl on longevity. I suspect he's going to quit on his terms when the time comes.
I was just referencing what SVB told Demetrius back in 2020...that he would probably play 5 more years then retire. 2025 will be here in a flash. I hope SVB can catch that magic in a bottle and put together a big year (finally get his World Championship) before he rides off into the sunset.
 
It's been a five year streak of almost getting there, after a 10 year streak of always getting there. I don't think this is a series of bad rolls.

that 10 year streak was mainly american tournaments though. aside from the invitational world masters he didn't get there as much on the international scene. i think he still wants to win a world championship. if i remember correctly ko pin yi and albin denied him that trophy in two subsequent finals.

i was impressed by shane this last week, and i think he will win a major again.
 
that 10 year streak was mainly american tournaments though. aside from the invitational world masters he didn't get there as much on the international scene. i think he still wants to win a world championship. if i remember correctly ko pin yi and albin denied him that trophy in two subsequent finals.

i was impressed by shane this last week, and i think he will win a major again.
As I said, SVB plays as good as anyone physically. I am always impressed by him. I also agree that SVB wants to win a world championship. I'm sure he also wants to pop off a couple of majors to show his game is as good as anyone's.

The question is does he want it as much as Albin? Filler? Fedor? Shaw? Kazakis? Yapp? Or a slew of other hungry young killers that are eager to take their place among the very top?

How do you measure someone's desire? Do you look at how sincere they are when they say they want to win? Or do you look at their day to day behavior? Everyone wants to win, but you can tell who wants it the most by who goes beyond hard work and reaches a fanatical intensity focused on success, day after day. SVB knows all about it as this is what he did to get to the top. I have seen a change in his attitude, desire, and consequentially to his behavior, and finally in his results. Do you not see this as well?

That said, he is definitely good enough already that if he gets his dander up he is always a threat to win any event he plays. He could definitely yet win a world championship or any other tournament. But for this to happen I think something will have to spur him to dig deeper than what we've seen the last few years. Trust me skog, I'd love to see that too.
 
We have one current player in the US who is an elite player....the world has a few dozen. Shane has proven himself. Statistically he's not going to win them all. The fact that he's there in the end, tells you he's going to get there again if he's playing.

For me, he needs to get in the box with Filler to settle who's the best....if you ever wanted to have a mega match, that's it. I'm doubtful it will ever happen when you got 2 guys who both want to be able to say they are the best.

I tried to host a rematch between 2 pros who had a big match. I couldn't decide who wanted to play less , the guy who won who didn't want to give up the title or the guy who lost who didn't want to confirm he was the loser.
 
that 10 year streak was mainly american tournaments though. aside from the invitational world masters he didn't get there as much on the international scene. i think he still wants to win a world championship. if i remember correctly ko pin yi and albin denied him that trophy in two subsequent finals.

i was impressed by shane this last week, and i think he will win a major again.
Agreed. SVB was the one to beat on American soil for many years, but he was just one of many to beat in the three undisputed overseas WPA-sanctioned majors of his prime (WPA World 9-ball, China Open, All-Japan), never getting over the finish line in even one of them. He is undeniably an all-time great, and will always be remembered as such, but to say that he dominated pool for a decade is not accurate. All that said, Shane is not done, and I think he's still got some major titles ahead of him before he hangs up his cue, quite possibly even the king of all pro pool events, the Matchroom World Pool Championship.
 
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