L/S....You have WAAAYYYYY too much free time on your handslandshark77 said:
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blah blah said:
I think shooting a man in Reno was just an example of how hard he was, he was in Folsom on an unrelated beef.
BigLip said:
Ok, I just want to know if there was ever a minute that you took anything I wrote in this thread seriously.
Makes you wonder, we're on the third page here and the original poster has not responded yet.
Biglip, I used to teach martial arts but before I did that, I wrestled in college and boxed in the Navy. I don't think one engages in actual fighting if one is a pussy. I do agree that martial arts for the most part is way over-blown. However, it is kind of like pool in that the odds are huge that the average person walking down the street has no chance against a B player in a pool hall. If you practice something, whether it's martial arts, pool, golf or whatever, you are going to be better at it than most people.
I feel as most do though, the original poster wasn't thinking right before he typed that post. He did say he was shook up and maybe he just wasn't thinking right.
Biglip, I used to teach martial arts but before I did that, I wrestled in college and boxed in the Navy. I don't think one engages in actual fighting if one is a pussy. I do agree that martial arts for the most part is way over-blown. However, it is kind of like pool in that the odds are huge that the average person walking down the street has no chance against a B player in a pool hall. If you practice something, whether it's martial arts, pool, golf or whatever, you are going to be better at it than most people.
I feel as most do though, the original poster wasn't thinking right before he typed that post. He did say he was shook up and maybe he just wasn't thinking right.
Rickw said:
I practiced martial arts (tae kwon do). In fact, I was on the national team and even competed in the olympic regional qualifiers for the 2000 sydney olympics. Anyways, I brought that up to show off, but also to just make a comment in response to yours. I dun think my black belt, or most pples who take the recreational type of martial arts (like goju ryu karate, sport taekwon do - even though we spar full contact, sport judo) would wipe the floor with some guy off the street. I mention these 3 as examples as they take up a big portion of martial arts practitioners. and these martial arts tend to teach a lot of kata/forms (except judo i think), and they are not really applicable. In tae kwon do, most of our points in sparring comes from kicking at the head or doing a counter. In real life, trying to kick someones head is like asknig someon to take u down and beat the crap out of u.
TheFish said:
Fish,
I agree that many martial artists probably would not be able to handle a seasoned street fighter because the street fighter has experience with real fighting. My point was that the average person out there is not a street fighter either. Their lives are usually either sedentary or they exercise a whole different set of muscles that are not related to any type of fighting. The martial artist does work on punches, kicks and blocks and that certainly prepares them physically for fighting. I used to tell my students, especially when they were starting to become more proficient, that when some bad-ass with a gravel voice tells them they're going to rip their heart out, it doesn't matter what you know. You are going to fight, run or freeze. If you fight you might have a chance and then again you might not because it could be Mike Tyson or some other bad-ass that you will not stand a chance against. It could be pretty scary to hit someone with your best shot and they just blink!
catscradle said:
Yep, you hit the nail on the head CatsCradle
I just wanted to test the waters here a little.
Anyone idiot enough to post causing harm to someone on a public board should go to jail if it, if it "actually" happened.
I was surprised to see this thread last this long. Most just dismiss it as bullshit and move on.
Anyways, hope you all had a good time with it. My favorite part was someone saying something to the effect of "who in Monaca has 5k?" I got the biggest chuckle out of that.
And yes, it was false. Wanted to see how gullible the board was. I see now I have a very reliable source of info coming here.
Thank you all for your tollerance. Now let the thread die.
Rickw said:Fish,
I agree that many martial artists probably would not be able to handle a seasoned street fighter because the street fighter has experience with real fighting. My point was that the average person out there is not a street fighter either. Their lives are usually either sedentary or they exercise a whole different set of muscles that are not related to any type of fighting. The martial artist does work on punches, kicks and blocks and that certainly prepares them physically for fighting. I used to tell my students, especially when they were starting to become more proficient, that when some bad-ass with a gravel voice tells them they're going to rip their heart out, it doesn't matter what you know. You are going to fight, run or freeze. If you fight you might have a chance and then again you might not because it could be Mike Tyson or some other bad-ass that you will not stand a chance against. It could be pretty scary to hit someone with your best shot and they just blink!
Man, haven't you guys ever seen Ultimate Fighting or PrideFC? The best fighters are either A. Strikers or B. Ground Mechanics (Jujitsu mostly). There are no 'seasoned streetfighters' who don't know martial arts.
LastTwo said:
Not really true, street fighters (and I use this term losely to describe people who fight alot and do so outside of a ring with controls and a ref) that have alot of experiance more often then not have learned to fight through personal experiance and not in taking classes and reading books on martial arts. They learn to fight instinctively over time and it is a very different style. UFC and Pride fighters are not street fighters, they are mixed martial artists, they actually train in mixed martial arts in the gym and what they train in is a fairly recent merging of fighting styles based on effectiveness in no holds barred combat they partake in.
There are alot of really tough guys who fight extremely well with no formal training, the guys who dont compete and instead just fight at the bar or fight at the football game or fight some dude that looks at them funny on the street. They differ quite alot from a UFC fighter, a UFC fighter in the bar fighting a person like that is probably on even grounds as to winning or losing, they may be alot better trained in in better shape but they are not likely to have the instincts of the very experianced bar brawler who smashes a bottle over their head and then slashes it across their face to blind them before they even know whats going on. Take a fighter like Ken Shamrock out of the ring and imagine him in a fight against a character like Jake da Muss from "Once Were Warriors" in a bar and I am not putting my money on Ken. Jake may be fictional but there are alot of guys exactly like him that really exist and snap just like that and fight with tremendous skill in a far more instinctive fashion then the mixed martial artists and with alot less reserve to using anything at their disposal to make sure they are the one doing the hurting.
Celtic said:
Ok now I am really curious if you have ever seen a real fight in your entire life. I've seen too many to count, and I would say about 99% of them ended up being on the ground wrestling with each other. The top fighters in the UFC specialize in fighting on the ground. A streetfighter who doesn't know a choke or how to break/disclocate a limb is screwed, no questions asked. Hell I'm a skinny guy but I've been in fights, and have beat up before, and all the fights I've been in we ended up falling to the ground and wrestling. Maybe you are confusing fights with movies where people just stand and throw punches that make really loud noises when someone gets hit in the face, a couple karate kicks here and there, people flying across the room, etc. But that doesn't happen in real life. They end up on the ground clawing at each other and trying to put each other in a headlock while attempting to throw a punch with the other arm. By the way, I live in LA. People out here will shoot someone if they don't signal when changing lanes. Lots of nuts out here, lots and lots of fights, especially when there is alcohol involved. Bottom line is, the people who are trained to fight on the ground are the best fighters.
lukeinva
Banned
LastTwo said:
I did brazilian ju jitzu for 7yrs. That is ground fighting. The actual figure is like 94% of fights end up on the ground one guy tumbling and falling and bringing the other guy with him. Now ju jitzu has come in handy I could choke someone out put them in a mercy hold it was great. I also took kenpo and that was the only martial art I know (there may be others not sure) where the fighting (sparing) would actually come up in a fight. I would have to agree with you if a gracie got in a fight with skilled streetfighter my money would be on the gracie.
LastTwo said:
You have seen some pretty tame fights, I have indeed seen many fights "in my entire life". 100% of them ended on the ground for one person, the other guy more often then not remains standing over a unconsious or maimed person. I have seen guy get a whisky bottle smashed over his head in a bar brawl only to about 10 seconds later grab the guy that did it (who was trying to nonchalantly flee) from behind by the hair and knee him in the face, the guy was still unconsious and his leg was twitching 10 minutes later when the paramedics arrived. I have seen a guy jam his thumb into another guys eye socket down to the palm of his hand, that fight ended pretty fast as the guy with the thumb jammed into his eye fell to his knees in agony and was probably blind in that eye for life. Other fights, how about one guy sucker punches the guy and immediately grabs a pool cue to do a Babe Ruth on the guys head only to have the guy sucker punched have a beer bottle ready to go. This is the kind of shit that will happen when your well trained ring fighter gets into a fight in a bar with people who dont give a shit about rules or whatnot. Bruce Lee said it himself, all the training in the world becomes alot less useful once your opponent pulls a knife.
Street fight, bar fight, ring...etc....
IMO, its the fight in the dog.
You get a boxer who wants to peddle aroud and jab vs a guy who wants to tackle you and things get interesting.
The older I get, the more concerned I become with my personal well being. In that, there is no way I intend to get into a punching match with a kid who can run circles around me and is probably in better shape than I ever was.
If the same kid was to push the issue with me though, he'd have himself a serious problem.
To summarize : I don't know very many guys ( regardless of age or skill or strength ) who feel like fighting after they have had a bite taken out of their face.
I studied several persuasions and have always liked joint manipulations ( both large and small ).
A guy with a broken thumb doesn't want to play much either.
Either way, if I have to fight, I'm going to do everything I can to make it short and sweet. I don't heal like a 20 year old anymore.
The answer is to try and not put yourself into these scenarios. Period.
Dave
IMO, its the fight in the dog.
You get a boxer who wants to peddle aroud and jab vs a guy who wants to tackle you and things get interesting.
The older I get, the more concerned I become with my personal well being. In that, there is no way I intend to get into a punching match with a kid who can run circles around me and is probably in better shape than I ever was.
If the same kid was to push the issue with me though, he'd have himself a serious problem.
To summarize : I don't know very many guys ( regardless of age or skill or strength ) who feel like fighting after they have had a bite taken out of their face.
I studied several persuasions and have always liked joint manipulations ( both large and small ).
A guy with a broken thumb doesn't want to play much either.
Either way, if I have to fight, I'm going to do everything I can to make it short and sweet. I don't heal like a 20 year old anymore.
The answer is to try and not put yourself into these scenarios. Period.
Dave
Celtic said:
1. If you wanna have a pissing contest about who has seen the most violence, you are going to lose by about ten jugs. If you want to talk about brutal and graphic violence, I've seen gang warfare at it's worst. I've seen a friend shot 10 feet away from me, I've seen four people stabbed, one of them I watched die. I saw most of this during my high school years. LOL @ whiskey bottles broken over heads.
2. The guy who had the thumb shoved in his eye all the way down to the palm...either you are making that up or the thumb didn't get that far, because I guarantee you the guy would have died on the spot. The length of a thumb, that is puncturing the brain.
3. As for fighting I'm talking about fist fights. What you are talking about is people trying to murder each other with weapons. Sure I'll admit I've seen fistfights escalate, i.e. someone grabbing a rock, but once a weapon is used the fight turns from a petty crime into assault with a deadly weapon- a felony. Big difference.
4. Just because these guys fight on t.v. doesn't mean they are going to follow UFC rules if they are being threatened with a weapon. LOL you act like the UFC guy would have Jon McCarthy making sure he didn't knee the guy with a broke pool cue in the nuts.
drivermaker
Banned
LastTwo said:
For anyone that doesn't understand...that's 5 hotties with "naturals".
LastTwo said:
Jabbing ones thumb into an eye socket goes under the frontal lobe of the brain, not into it.
Trust me the thumb went deep, nevertheless when I asked both people invoved if I could do some quick measuring with my handy ruler I keep on me at all times for just such a occasion but they refused.
You may know violence and fighting, anatomy though is something you need to brush up on. Let me help ya get started.
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Again, notice the occular cavities under the brain.
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