Mr. Wilson said:
I think you're getting some inaccurate info. Nothing Corvette said was derogatory.
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Mexicans playing pool
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I think you're getting some inaccurate info. Nothing Corvette said was derogatory.
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your points are accurate
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Your points are mostly accurate. Illegal immigrants are a permanent underclass in the US. The government as a whole wants it this way because they don't want to offend the farmers or small business people that want things this way. However there are laws being passed at the state level and at least being discussed in the house and senate that lead me to hope that one day some effective legislation will be passed.
Swing the cost/benefit ratio far enough against illegal labor and it would cease overnight. I think it will happen one day when enough of the US public demands it, that is unless the illegals become a big enough voting block first. Some states are allowing illegals to vote now. Ridiculous ain't it?
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Your points are mostly accurate. Illegal immigrants are a permanent underclass in the US. The government as a whole wants it this way because they don't want to offend the farmers or small business people that want things this way. However there are laws being passed at the state level and at least being discussed in the house and senate that lead me to hope that one day some effective legislation will be passed.
Swing the cost/benefit ratio far enough against illegal labor and it would cease overnight. I think it will happen one day when enough of the US public demands it, that is unless the illegals become a big enough voting block first. Some states are allowing illegals to vote now. Ridiculous ain't it?
Hu
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Mexicans
I don't think vette needs to apologise for playing some Mexicans for a couple bucks. Like others have said, not the best move, but they knew what they were doing and aparently quit before they lost any serious money. I wouldn't have played someone on my payroll, but that's just me.
He might want to apologise for talking about Mexicans like they are beneath him.
Also, being 6'2" doesn't mean much. Actually it doesn't mean anything. I've been in and watched plenty of fights and the "little guys" have always been the ones to watch out for, just my experience.
I don't think vette needs to apologise for playing some Mexicans for a couple bucks. Like others have said, not the best move, but they knew what they were doing and aparently quit before they lost any serious money. I wouldn't have played someone on my payroll, but that's just me.
He might want to apologise for talking about Mexicans like they are beneath him.
Also, being 6'2" doesn't mean much. Actually it doesn't mean anything. I've been in and watched plenty of fights and the "little guys" have always been the ones to watch out for, just my experience.
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No apology for personal ethics
He doesn't owe an apology for playing them. If his ethics and ideas of a sound business relationship permit him skinning them that is his business and of course his dad's and uncle's since these guys do work for them too. After calling them idiots in a post and the derogatory tone of other posts, an apology wouldn't be a bad idea especially when a mod is the one suggesting it.
Hu
He doesn't owe an apology for playing them. If his ethics and ideas of a sound business relationship permit him skinning them that is his business and of course his dad's and uncle's since these guys do work for them too. After calling them idiots in a post and the derogatory tone of other posts, an apology wouldn't be a bad idea especially when a mod is the one suggesting it.
Hu
CamposCues said:
ShootingArts said:
You're right. The guys that cut my grass and lost playing pool to me are not idiots. I appologize to them. They are, however, 100% Mexican (being from Mexico). I hope they will see this appology and forgive me. I never intended for anyone to get offended and I didn't intend to "skin", as you put it, the lawn service that I use. I only posted the story because I found it comical and pool related. If they had taken me off for a few hundred then what?
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I think that's pretty much what I was trying to say.ShootingArts said:
NoBull9 said:
you might be right. I am a nit though. I'll just take that free lawn job and be happy.
JB Cases said:
Good points! I for one is not in favor of anybody violating our immigration laws. However, this issue is such a catch-22 that until a wholly dedicated and truly well-meaning few comes up with the right and working solution will the illegal immigration issue be solved.
We are quick to blame illegal immigrants for the social and economic ills that beset us simply because they are easy and helpless targets. However, in the true spirit of humanity and freedom, we must also look at the positive contributions these people bring to our communities. Illegal immigrants provide the cheapest labor base. Jobs that nobody else wants, they pick-up just so they can earn a living. They fill low blue collar jobs that are vital to our economy especially in agriculture. If not for them we will be paying for 3 or four times for a head of lettuce or a bunch of grapes in the local supermarket. Besides who would want to be planting and picking these things in the dead heat of the sun with lower than minimum wage pay. True, they may also take advantage of the social services that may be available to them without fear of arrest and deportation but one has to remember, they are also human just like you and I. They have basic needs and dreams like everyone else it's just that they are in the bottom of the Wheel of Life.
On the flipside however, yes, without doubt they are in flagrant violation of our immigration laws. But so are the employers that take advantage of them paying below minimum wages yet ripping profit hand over fist. The employers must be dealt with just the same.
IMO, many (not all) of these illegals are hard-working well meaning people who wants what everybody else dreams and wants - opportunity, quiet, decent and dignified life, and a secure future for them and their families. Given the right solution, they and their children are assets to our country. In contrast however, we have many 'legal' inhabitants here that are nothing but leaches to the society. These are scoundrels and scallawag low-lives who suck the economic life of our society without giving anything back. Such is the case for people who make a career out of the welfare system, career criminals who bleed the budgets of the justice system or dead-beat fathers who could care less about their fathered children much less their child support. These people IMO are the leaches of society and should be the ones deported.
I was born and raised in our beloved country from parents who had served the US consulate as foreign nationals. My grandfathers fought for the US infantry and as guerillas in WWII and survived. I have been to many cities and countries around the world and never have I found anyplace better than ours. :wink:
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That is what u think?
Sorry Jay, I did not accuse you of fixing a tournament. That is the farthest from my intention. I accused you of unfairly moving the venue without letting everyone participate on the new venue. which was unfair to all the previous participants who paid their money. My opinion was that if not all people could try on the t.v. table then no one should have. It was also the opinion of 2 professional pool players who asked me to post for fear of the exact slamming I got for doing so. They were right and one of them is a supposed good friend of yours. He will remain nameless as promised. They told me that sometimes you make unthought out decisions. It was just my opinion.
Now this quote you made is spot on and why I think Vette is way out of line.
jay helfert said:
Sorry Jay, I did not accuse you of fixing a tournament. That is the farthest from my intention. I accused you of unfairly moving the venue without letting everyone participate on the new venue. which was unfair to all the previous participants who paid their money. My opinion was that if not all people could try on the t.v. table then no one should have. It was also the opinion of 2 professional pool players who asked me to post for fear of the exact slamming I got for doing so. They were right and one of them is a supposed good friend of yours. He will remain nameless as promised. They told me that sometimes you make unthought out decisions. It was just my opinion.
Now this quote you made is spot on and why I think Vette is way out of line.