Mike dechaine 2023

fjk said:
That ain't the way gambling goes. He may (may) win something for a while, but then they will quit him (they ain't retards). Steady, predictable income with benefits is the smart way to go. Good on MD for his responsible decision.
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I'm very familiar with how gambling goes and they aint going to quit if their winning or if the backer says lets play. Come on down to
Buffalo Billiards and you'll find that out very quickly. Gamblers gamble and if he's that much better than them a game can be made and you dont have to a "retard" to know that or to have seen that.

I have nothing against Mike and I'm happy for anybody doing well and making Money, this was all about Pool not life choices.
 
King T said:
I'm very familiar with how gambling goes and they aint going to quit if their winning or if the backer says lets play. Come on down to
Buffalo Billiards and you'll find that out very quickly. Gamblers gamble and if he's that much better than them a game can be made and you dont have to a "retard" to know that or to have seen that.

I have nothing against Mike and I'm happy for anybody doing well and making Money, this was all about Pool not life choices.
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If Buffalo Billiards had regular unlimited money to be won, I'm sure Gorst and Filler would just camp out there and just rake in the dough day after day, week after week, month after month. To my experience, if all someone does is win, all their action dries up VERY quickly. Sadly, I know some great players that are basically just unemployed bums because they can't make any significant money playing in tournaments or gambling.
 
SBC said:
Ko shoots straighter than anyone....because his cueball is the best in the world.

I agree with the break rules hurting SVB's dominance. I don't like this 9 on the spot, cut break and cueball going everywhere break. It's amateurish. It leads to more pushouts abd safeties which is fine....but it's a different game.
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I always felt it was the exact opposite. You can't put the CB exactly where you want, unless you are hitting the pocket EXACTLY where you want, which is a function of shotmaking/stroke.
 
SBC said:
If SVB plays Sky with winner breaks, 1 on the spot, race to 100 he'd beat him by 20 to 25 games.
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Yes, yes, yes.. We get it. IF they played with rules that pretty much completely prioritize ONLY the break, allowing Shane to run packages to make up for any lack of safety execution, he beats people. But, when the break rules are prioritizing execution of ALL other parts of the game EXCEPT the break, we get Shane going out in Final 16 in multiple tournaments in a row.
 
ShortBusRuss said:
Yes, yes, yes.. We get it. IF they played with rules that pretty much completely prioritize ONLY the break, allowing Shane to run packages to make up for any lack of safety execution, he beats people. But, when the break rules are prioritizing execution of ALL other parts of the game EXCEPT the break, we get Shane going out in Final 16 in multiple tournaments in a row.
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Pick any rules you want....in anything but bank pool....SVB is going farther than Sky. So I don't understand your point. What big international events has Sky won?

SVB gave Deuel the 5 out....and ran him over.

SVB facing alot more top talent from the world as pool expands. You've got a dozen elite guys now....so none of them are going to dominate for as long as SVB has.
 
ShortBusRuss said:
I always felt it was the exact opposite. You can't put the CB exactly where you want, unless you are hitting the pocket EXACTLY where you want, which is a function of shotmaking/stroke.
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Bro....you even play pool?

Watch Ko and tell me again how cueball position is a function of shot making....and not cueball delivery. The man has ball in hand shape more than Fedor....more than anyone. It's almost a shock when he's shooting a tough shot following an opponent's miss or kick....and then he's back in line.
 
fjk said:
If Buffalo Billiards had regular unlimited money to be won, I'm sure Gorst and Filler would just camp out there and just rake in the dough day after day, week after week, month after month. To my experience, if all someone does is win, all their action dries up VERY quickly. Sadly, I know some great players that are basically just unemployed bums because they can't make any significant money playing in tournaments or gambling.
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Few people are trying to play Filler or Fador, but Mike is not Fador or Filler and he aint going to come down here and just win, he'll get played.
Your action dries up when you dont want to adjust to keep the action or when you have no Money to get in action.

If you are bum then thats a choice and you'd be bum anywhere you go, has nothing to do with Pool.
 
King T said:
Few people are trying to play Filler or Fador, but Mike is not Fador or Filler and he aint going to come down here and just win, he'll get played.
Your action dries up when you dont want to adjust to keep the action or when you have no Money to get in action.

If you are bum then thats a choice and you'd be bum anywhere you go, has nothing to do with Pool.
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Action and winning are two different things. And your action will keep getting tougher and tougher if you keep winning. My point is, there's very, very few people in the US that can make a decent living gambling at pool. At this point, there may be none. It's not like it was in the 60s through 80s.
 
SBC said:
Bro....you even play pool?

Watch Ko and tell me again how cueball position is a function of shot making....and not cueball delivery. The man has ball in hand shape more than Fedor....more than anyone. It's almost a shock when he's shooting a tough shot following an opponent's miss or kick....and then he's back in line.
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Yeah, and I play it pretty well, "bro".

The point being... "Shotmaking" is nothing more or less than hitting the pocket, and specifically, "where" you intend to. "Ball in hand position" REQUIRES that you hit the pocket *exactly" where you intend to. If you DON"T, your cue ball goes a farther or shorter distance "with the same stroke speed", due to hitting the OB fatter or thinner than you intend to.

Ergo.. You CANNOT get exact position unless you are hitting the correct portion of the pocket. Ergo... Good position arises from good shotmaking, not the other way around. If there is to be any debate on this, simply go and watch pretty much any match that Jeremy Jones commentates. He will mention, and likely multiple times, that the player either "came up short", or "went long" due to hitting the pocket on the wrong side.. With a made shot.

Ko, per your example, plays good position BECAUSE he hits the pocket so accurately. His CB hits the OB exactly where he intends to, most times, and the OB hits the pocket where he intends to, most times. This LEADS to good position. You cannot play good position without striking the OB accurately. Pros beat great amateurs not because they play better position, but because they strike the ball more accurately. The better position flows naturally from that.
 
garczar said:
Bergman plays little pool at all. People don't realize he was in the pool trenches starting as just a kid and there's a good chance he's had enough. I know folks in St.Louis and they rarely see him out.
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Yea he hasn’t been playing much makes me sad but he did just come out last week off the couch and beat Carl out of 170k giving all the breaks the 5,6,7,8 and the last 4 playing 10 ahead oh and all money balls counted on break lol
 
ShortBusRuss said:
Yeah, and I play it pretty well, "bro".

The point being... "Shotmaking" is nothing more or less than hitting the pocket, and specifically, "where" you intend to. "Ball in hand position" REQUIRES that you hit the pocket *exactly" where you intend to. If you DON"T, your cue ball goes a farther or shorter distance "with the same stroke speed", due to hitting the OB fatter or thinner than you intend to.

Ergo.. You CANNOT get exact position unless you are hitting the correct portion of the pocket. Ergo... Good position arises from good shotmaking, not the other way around. If there is to be any debate on this, simply go and watch pretty much any match that Jeremy Jones commentates. He will mention, and likely multiple times, that the player either "came up short", or "went long" due to hitting the pocket on the wrong side.. With a made shot.

Ko, per your example, plays good position BECAUSE he hits the pocket so accurately. His CB hits the OB exactly where he intends to, most times, and the OB hits the pocket where he intends to, most times. This LEADS to good position. You cannot play good position without striking the OB accurately. Pros beat great amateurs not because they play better position, but because they strike the ball more accurately. The better position flows naturally from that.
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All the pros pocket the ball to the side/middle as they like. His cueball strike gets the cueball position with precision because he's operating on the highest level amongst the very best.

Did Gareth Potts run an 8 pack of 9 ball on a Chinese 8 ball table with 3.5 inch pockets by shooting the ball to one side of the hole or the other? No. It's all cueball position, taking the most efficient path with the most natural angles off the object ball and rails.
 
iusedtoberich said:
If/ when they meet in a tournament I’ll send you a pm to sweat the match.
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There are matches where it looks like Shane straight-up doesn't care. His demeanor, slouching in his chair, rushing of his shots, etc. make it look like he just wants to go home and fish (or anything besides play pool).
This is just one man's observation, but there has been more than one occasion that appeared that way to me.
I have not seen that in Sky. He almost always looks optimistic and appears to be having fun. Perhaps it's just his youth. Perhaps it is his personality. He doesn't looked stressed out and miserable like Shane often does. I believe Sky's best years are ahead of him.
 
Per AZB, they have played in the same tournament 12 times in 2023. In those 12 events, SVB has won $52,200 and Sky has won $53,000.

SVB has 1 win (Midwest Billiards and Cue Expo Big Dog 9-Ball), two 2nds, and two 3rds.

Sky has 1 win (Midwest Billiards and Cue Expo One Pocket), three 3rds, and a 4th.

Not much between them this year.
 
JolietJames said:
There are matches where it looks like Shane straight-up doesn't care. His demeanor, slouching in his chair, rushing of his shots, etc. make it look like he just wants to go home and fish (or anything besides play pool).
This is just one man's observation, but there has been more than one occasion that appeared that way to me.
I have not seen that in Sky. He almost always looks optimistic and appears to be having fun. Perhaps it's just his youth. Perhaps it is his personality. He doesn't looked stressed out and miserable like Shane often does. I believe Sky's best years are ahead of him.
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Yeah, but there were a couple of MR Tourneys in Europe this year, forgot which ones, where Sky gets to the quarters or semi's and plays like a king, and then comes back and lays an absolute egg the next round. I'm not talking about just getting beat, I'm talking about missing straight in shots, scratching for no reason, missing position by 2 feet. One example is when he blanked one of the KO brothers. Seemed like he had so much momentum and was finally going to break out and win one, but then comes back and looks just terrible...almost like the moment is too big for him.

I've never seen that from SVB.
 
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