Mike the Mouth...ouch...
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Another funny Sigel episode ..
From the IPT email today about yesterday's tournament play:
Mike Sigel complained to the referee that Harrison had taken a bathroom break without his express permission. The referee penalized Harrison a game; however, the game was reinstated by Charles Ursitti when Harrison's corner man explained to him that Sigel had never said Harrison was not allowed to take a break. The rule is clear that if a player wants to take a break, he must do so on his inning, or have permission from the opponent. Harrison told Sigel that he needed to go to the bathroom. Sigel said nothing and Harrison took that as acknowledgement of his request. Sigel tried to make a big deal out of it, but by not saying no, it was construed as giving him permission to do so. To read the rules, click here. Some of these disputes were caught by IPT photographers and are in the photo gallery, click here to see them.
From the IPT email today about yesterday's tournament play:
Mike Sigel complained to the referee that Harrison had taken a bathroom break without his express permission. The referee penalized Harrison a game; however, the game was reinstated by Charles Ursitti when Harrison's corner man explained to him that Sigel had never said Harrison was not allowed to take a break. The rule is clear that if a player wants to take a break, he must do so on his inning, or have permission from the opponent. Harrison told Sigel that he needed to go to the bathroom. Sigel said nothing and Harrison took that as acknowledgement of his request. Sigel tried to make a big deal out of it, but by not saying no, it was construed as giving him permission to do so. To read the rules, click here. Some of these disputes were caught by IPT photographers and are in the photo gallery, click here to see them.
Like him or hate him, the guy is keeping things interesting and keeping you all talking about him. Could you imagine if everyone was nice, only said polite things, treated all people with respect, never got out of line, etc....BORING!
you have to have a big cross section of the human race to make things interesting in my opinion.....good and bad....that's why this forum is cool. Worse comments are made everyday at most every pool room in the world, to almost every player.....it's called BARKING.
If He was bothering you Linda by talking during your turn....you should have stopped, stood up, and asked him or the ref to make him shut up!.....Even though you may have been out gunned, you deserve the same respect as Efren would get, and the only way to get it from MS is get in his face and demand it.....He's from New York....that's all they understand!
Gerry
you have to have a big cross section of the human race to make things interesting in my opinion.....good and bad....that's why this forum is cool. Worse comments are made everyday at most every pool room in the world, to almost every player.....it's called BARKING.
If He was bothering you Linda by talking during your turn....you should have stopped, stood up, and asked him or the ref to make him shut up!.....Even though you may have been out gunned, you deserve the same respect as Efren would get, and the only way to get it from MS is get in his face and demand it.....He's from New York....that's all they understand!
Gerry
I don't know when, where or why he made the comment but Mike just stated what his strategy was. He was asked a question and he probably gave a honest answer instead of some same old, same old stock politically correct answer.
Other than that congrads on making it into the tournament which in itself is a great feat that most of us will never accomplish. Would have been great if you advanced but you are in the company of a lot of great players that didn't. Turn his comments into a positive as good advice and work on it for next time.
Other than that congrads on making it into the tournament which in itself is a great feat that most of us will never accomplish. Would have been great if you advanced but you are in the company of a lot of great players that didn't. Turn his comments into a positive as good advice and work on it for next time.
He said she couldn't run out, reporter doesn't listen too well, as I was standing there. Yes he is big mouth, but truly not a a-hole, you just gotta know him. It's his nervous energy which he has alot of. But he's always talked his whole career! We need not forget...had he not known KT there would be no IPT, NO TV, and NO MONEY! And nothing for us to tlalk about!
No excueses for his mouth but rewards for his 10 years for putting this all together with KT!
No excueses for his mouth but rewards for his 10 years for putting this all together with KT!
I don't think he should have made that remark,it is just not a sing of a great person.I wish you would have beat him bad Linda.I would never talk about my opponet like that it,s just not right,even if I was thinking it.I think it just shows you how some people can't handle being a true champ with respect for any one who trys there best at any given moment.
Thoughts on strategy...
My 8-ball strategy has always been to START breaking big, try to get a good spread, and of course....make a ball--and then run out. If it turns out that I don't consistently make a ball on the break...and my opponent runs out...only then will I consider switching to a different break that may not spread the balls as well (if I think that I would have a better chance at a game where the table needs to be picked apart or a safety game).
However, if I break big and spread the balls and don't make a ball....and my opponent doesn't or can't run out...then obviously I'm sticking with the big break.
Sigel apparently thought that he would have an advantage (with his 14.1 skills) and decided to START with a break that would leave some clusters to break out....in case he didn't make a ball on the break. My thinking is that someone should always start out by trying their big break...and just run out...and take the lead in a dominating fashion....and only if that doesn't work...to then change strategy...
I'm sure that Sigel realized that his initial strategy was wrong. But even if the things that he said were true or accurate...it probably wasn't in the best taste to say exactly what he was thinking...especially the comment that he wouldn't have done that against any other player...
At the level that ANY of the players there are capable of performing at....saying that someone won't be capable of running out an open table is kind-of harsh...IMO (even if it was possibly true on that particular day).
Flex said:
My 8-ball strategy has always been to START breaking big, try to get a good spread, and of course....make a ball--and then run out. If it turns out that I don't consistently make a ball on the break...and my opponent runs out...only then will I consider switching to a different break that may not spread the balls as well (if I think that I would have a better chance at a game where the table needs to be picked apart or a safety game).
However, if I break big and spread the balls and don't make a ball....and my opponent doesn't or can't run out...then obviously I'm sticking with the big break.
Sigel apparently thought that he would have an advantage (with his 14.1 skills) and decided to START with a break that would leave some clusters to break out....in case he didn't make a ball on the break. My thinking is that someone should always start out by trying their big break...and just run out...and take the lead in a dominating fashion....and only if that doesn't work...to then change strategy...
I'm sure that Sigel realized that his initial strategy was wrong. But even if the things that he said were true or accurate...it probably wasn't in the best taste to say exactly what he was thinking...especially the comment that he wouldn't have done that against any other player...
At the level that ANY of the players there are capable of performing at....saying that someone won't be capable of running out an open table is kind-of harsh...IMO (even if it was possibly true on that particular day).
Sigel story
Regarding Mike-
I was sitting at a table in one of the restaurants in the Hilton at the recent 14.1 World event. The place is empty except for my girlfriend and I and another couple at a different table.
Mike Sigel walks in and gets seated near us and gets on his cell phone. Pretty soon, he was berating the person he was talking to. He was saying things like "this is what I want...", "what is so hard for you to understand...", and just being a condescending, obnoxious Sigel. So after his tirade, as he is getting off the phone, I hear him say in a quieter voice "love ya too". I'm guessing he was talking to his wife or someone close to him.
Eric
Timberly said:I interpret it the way I've always interpreted Mike S... he's a piece of s#*t.
Jake posed a question not too long ago.... something along the lines of wondering how Mike got so lucky as to have landed a good friend like KT... my response was that sometimes good things happen to bad people.
The guy is an absolute, classless, jerk.... always has been, always will be. This is not an act for the camera's or reporters...it is who he is.
Get_A_Grip, if you can stomach listening to him... more power to you. I personally can't stand to listen to him let alone look at him.
Regarding Mike-
I was sitting at a table in one of the restaurants in the Hilton at the recent 14.1 World event. The place is empty except for my girlfriend and I and another couple at a different table.
Mike Sigel walks in and gets seated near us and gets on his cell phone. Pretty soon, he was berating the person he was talking to. He was saying things like "this is what I want...", "what is so hard for you to understand...", and just being a condescending, obnoxious Sigel. So after his tirade, as he is getting off the phone, I hear him say in a quieter voice "love ya too". I'm guessing he was talking to his wife or someone close to him.
Eric
Eric. said:Regarding Mike-
I was sitting at a table in one of the restaurants in the Hilton at the recent 14.1 World event. The place is empty except for my girlfriend and I and another couple at a different table.
Mike Sigel walks in and gets seated near us and gets on his cell phone. Pretty soon, he was berating the person he was talking to. He was saying things like "this is what I want...", "what is so hard for you to understand...", and just being a condescending, obnoxious Sigel. So after his tirade, as he is getting off the phone, I hear him say in a quieter voice "love ya too". I'm guessing he was talking to his wife or someone close to him.
Eric
He obviously thinks his style is the way to go. Typical of a certain kind of New Yorker.
Flex
Flex said:
Just to keep things in context, Sigel is from UPSTATE NY which has a totally different "attitude" than people from the NYC metro area. Around here, we get the rap of the "land of the type A personalities", which, to a certain degree, is well earned. People from upstate tend to be more laid back and "country". It really is like night and day.
Eric
Timberly said:
My response would if I'd seen that post would have been "Birds of a feather flock together".
FWIW IMO, if that was honestly what he thought of Linda's performance level either on that day or in general, then he adopted the right strategy. However, if he made public comments insulting her, then that was wrong. If as somebody said, he spoke of his strategy to KT and KT repeated it then KT is the ahole not Mike.
That being said, it would have been awful nice to see his strategy backfire on him.
The other question I have is... If he had said the same about a guy, would people be so upset about it? I don't think a separate standard should apply because Linda is a woman. Afterall, he didn't say or even imply that he adopted the strategy because he was playing a woman.
That being said, it would have been awful nice to see his strategy backfire on him.
The other question I have is... If he had said the same about a guy, would people be so upset about it? I don't think a separate standard should apply because Linda is a woman. Afterall, he didn't say or even imply that he adopted the strategy because he was playing a woman.
Right on.catscradle said:
Right on, again.
My feeling is that if it had backfired once, he would have changed strategy immediately.
I think this is all true. Linda is likable and lovable, so there is going to be a support factorIf it were, say, Bernie Friend (whom I'm sure is lovable to his S.O., but not so much as Linda is to this forum), there might be a different reaction.
Fred
Gerry said:Like him or hate him, the guy is keeping things interesting and keeping you all talking about him. Could you imagine if everyone was nice, only said polite things, treated all people with respect, never got out of line, etc....BORING!
you have to have a big cross section of the human race to make things interesting in my opinion.....good and bad....that's why this forum is cool. Worse comments are made everyday at most every pool room in the world, to almost every player.....it's called BARKING.
If He was bothering you Linda by talking during your turn....you should have stopped, stood up, and asked him or the ref to make him shut up!.....Even though you may have been out gunned, you deserve the same respect as Efren would get, and the only way to get it from MS is get in his face and demand it.....He's from New York....that's all they understand!
Gerry
FWIW, his mouthing off before or after the match really doesn't bother me. He was probably telling the truth and has no regard for me one way or the other. I am a flea in his hindquarters.
Disrespect is in his blood...I don't take it personally. In fact, I see it as a weakness that he has to pump himself up to look good. The more he talks, the weaker I know he is feeling!Perhaps, if I was an actual pool player that made their living playing pool, then I might be insulted about his analysis of my craft. I think that all things considered, I held up pretty well, considering my usual practice (until we got our table) is a Friday night bar table 8 ball tournament and a 9 ball tournament on the weekends.
I only wish I had showed him what I AM capable of. In practice, I know I did make him nervous...banking, 3 rail kicks, rifling balls in, so he came out of the gate hard. But then I fell apart on camera.
The cloth was super humid and slow, not like out in the main room, probably because of the lighting for TV. I broke horribly! Every time was a safety break. I got some rolls. The shots I wish I could do over was the back cut 8 ball that hung and firing the 11 ball down to get back up off the rail for the 8ball that I missed by half a diamond.
When Sigel took his break, I executed it perfectly. 
I wish I had played like I finished the last match with David Broxson, a qualifier. Down 3-7 and playing lacklusterly (is that a word?), I went on a break and came out tearing it up. I ran out a dry break of his, then ran out 2 consecutive Break and runs, then broke dry and he made a couple balls and missed and I ran out a beautiful, tricky rack that had John Schmidt telling me that was amazing. That put us at double hill. OK, I chumped the last game, but still, if I had done that on the Sigel match, I would have felt better and then I would have really had him talking to himself!
Your highness...you are still the reigning Queen, and Mike is an internationally televised, dethroned king....you can take some comfort in that.
Lisa
Lisa
This is for you, Linda!
If the bracket plays out, like it looks like it will, as I predicted last week, Mike Sigel will not survive the 2nd round. I wonder what his excuses will be today?
Scott Lee
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If the bracket plays out, like it looks like it will, as I predicted last week, Mike Sigel will not survive the 2nd round. I wonder what his excuses will be today?
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee said:
Mike's excuses for today:
The loquacious “Mouth” commented, “I could win the whole thing, but I don’t care if I am not playing good. I would donate the money—that’s how much I care about it, even thought I know it’s a lot of money. I’m making too many mistakes, which is why I am upset. I haven’t played anyone yet, so it’s okay, but I can’t play against guys like Efren, Archer, Bustamante while I am making four or five mistakes a match. You could play perfect against those guys and still lose. Shots I’ve been missing, like cuts up a rail or barely missing position—I’ve been doing it for fifteen years and it’s no problem, but here it won’t make it. I get upset playing bad—even if I win. I can’t take a win like that—my ego is too big.”
Scott Lee said:
Sigel's already lost two matches today against Lohtander and Hann. If he loses to Manalo tonight, he will probably be eliminated.
