Milliken SuperPro cloth?
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It has about the same color if that means it's like SimonisRip said:
I laugh every time I hear someone compare a different kind of cloth to Simonis as in it's "Like" Simonis. If cloth manufactures and sales people want to quote their cloth to be just like "Simonis" then why not just buy Simonis cloth? Every time they do that, what they're saying is Simonis is the best, but they're a close second, so because they're cheaper buy their cloth Glen
I think an azer on here by jb cases is a promoter of the cloth and he says its just like simmonis but the use it in England on the snooker tables for the play offs.
I recently recovered a table that I think was super pro cloth it felt thinner and strethed like Simmonis but when I was done it looked like it could use a shave it had little exposed nots or pill dots specks everywere. The person's table I recovered but the cloth from place it bought the table they told him it was the same as simmonis and it out sells 3-1 but when i was done I rather wish ed he but Simmonis or tour edition much nicer fit and finish.
Felt and looked good inthe begining but nowere close in the end. Even Forstman speedcloth was nicer.
Craig
I recently recovered a table that I think was super pro cloth it felt thinner and strethed like Simmonis but when I was done it looked like it could use a shave it had little exposed nots or pill dots specks everywere. The person's table I recovered but the cloth from place it bought the table they told him it was the same as simmonis and it out sells 3-1 but when i was done I rather wish ed he but Simmonis or tour edition much nicer fit and finish.
Felt and looked good inthe begining but nowere close in the end. Even Forstman speedcloth was nicer.
Craig
Yes, I have experience with it, and don't care for it, it feels thinner and weak compared to Simonis, so I don't use it anymoreRip said:
Glen
Its what you can afford is what most go with only few hold out for the best investment.
Tournament players go with whats on the table for consistant stroke and pattern play.
Home owners go with what matches the walls, furniture and is easy on the wallet.
Others want to tell there friends they have the best with out paying for it.
If I was in England i would play on Milken probably if I was into snooker.
If i was an average homeowner ball banger i would probably go tour Edition.
I f I polayed tournament and wanted the most consistant cloth available I would go with Simmonis they have been around since what 1635 roughly I 'm sure they have made a few changes every so many years but the quality is still there.
Craig
Tournament players go with whats on the table for consistant stroke and pattern play.
Home owners go with what matches the walls, furniture and is easy on the wallet.
Others want to tell there friends they have the best with out paying for it.
If I was in England i would play on Milken probably if I was into snooker.
If i was an average homeowner ball banger i would probably go tour Edition.
I f I polayed tournament and wanted the most consistant cloth available I would go with Simmonis they have been around since what 1635 roughly I 'm sure they have made a few changes every so many years but the quality is still there.
Craig
Not everyone is worried about the cost. I appreciate the feedback based on actual experience.
I wonder if at some point in history someone asked "has anyone tried one of those motorized automobiles and if so, how does it compare with the tried and true horse and buggy?"
I've always used Simonis on my home table but I'm certainly not above the thought that possibly some day there will be a cloth that will surpass it. I'm not buying the concept that everything worth being invented has already been invented. :wink:
I wonder if at some point in history someone asked "has anyone tried one of those motorized automobiles and if so, how does it compare with the tried and true horse and buggy?"
I've always used Simonis on my home table but I'm certainly not above the thought that possibly some day there will be a cloth that will surpass it. I'm not buying the concept that everything worth being invented has already been invented. :wink:
Rip said:Not everyone is worried about the cost. I appreciate the feedback based on actual experience.
I wonder if at some point in history someone asked "has anyone tried one of those motorized automobiles and if so, how does it compare with the tried and true horse and buggy?"
I've always used Simonis on my home table but I'm certainly not above the thought that possibly some day there will be a cloth that will surpass it. I'm not buying the concept that everything worth being invented has already been invented. :wink:
Simonis 860 is considered the "standard" in professional billiard cloth.
When comparing worsted cloth you compare to a standard.
There are many worsted cloths to include Champ Tour Edition, Velocity Pro, Mali Vestra, Forstmann Tournament, Milliken Super Pro ...
Typically one compares these cloths to Simonis 860 however Simonis offers other styles which, depending on your needs, may be better and faster.
Frankly, if there was something better then Simonis I'm sure it would be the buzz of the billiards world.
True Story
I work for Sterling Gaming, the exclusive North American distributor of Milliken Super Pro cloth. I thought I might share a story behind an advertisement that we recently produced.
A local room owner called and order Simonis for all of his tables. We convinced him to try a cut of the Milliken just to see what he thought. After putting it on his table and playing on it, he called us and asked if he could return the Simonis and swap it out for Milliken for the rest of his tables. Upon hearing this, I asked if he would be willing to go in front of a national audience to relate his experience and he said that he would. Here is the result of that endeavor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgems28jS4U
Feel free to contact him for a reference.
Since the Milliken has now been on tables at both the Generationpool.com 9-Ball Championships and the Canadian Snooker and Pool Champions, we have gotten excellent feedback from players. The most common being the cloth is not slippery, breaks in nicely and plays more consistently over time. We have since had numerous room owners call both us and the room owner in the spot to inquire about the cloth, and we have yet to have anyone call us after putting it on and want to go back to Simonis.
Tournament grade cloth is, and will be in the near future, compared to Simonis as it has been the only real consistent product available...until now.
Milliken, headquartered in Spartanburg SC, is a world wide leader in textile and chemical research and development. Many years ago, they acquired a woolen specialty mill in the UK, and this is where the Super Pro is produced. This mill has been operational for over 400 years, and they have kept the original mill and incorporated it into their current complex. Milliken's products have been used everywhere from Wimbledon to Nascar to the space shuttle. Their commitment to excellence has been demonstrated to me personally in their desire to constantly try and find ways to improve their products, and the Super Pro cloth is no exception. They have sought and used feedback from a variety of sources to make the best cloth they possibly can. After extensive testing, Milliken was chosen as the preferred cloth of the Deutsche Billiard Union, due in large part to the fact that it kept its playing characteristics longer and showed to be more durable over time.
There will always be people who will not be swayed from what they are most familiar with. My dad, who is 90 years old, has drank the same coffee for 40 years. He also grew up in a segregated society and to this day believes that "the old days" were better. There is nothing that can be done to change his mind...not even my brother marrying the sweetest black girl I have ever known and her giving him a grandchild. I'm glad that we aren't all stuck in the "good old days".
I just thought I would share my perspective. I admit that It may be a little biased, however Sterling also carries Simonis cloth, and I would have no problem telling someone what a top notch brand it is.
The real proof is in the pudding, and the fact that we have customers returning to purchase Milliken speaks volumes to me.
I work for Sterling Gaming, the exclusive North American distributor of Milliken Super Pro cloth. I thought I might share a story behind an advertisement that we recently produced.
A local room owner called and order Simonis for all of his tables. We convinced him to try a cut of the Milliken just to see what he thought. After putting it on his table and playing on it, he called us and asked if he could return the Simonis and swap it out for Milliken for the rest of his tables. Upon hearing this, I asked if he would be willing to go in front of a national audience to relate his experience and he said that he would. Here is the result of that endeavor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgems28jS4U
Feel free to contact him for a reference.
Since the Milliken has now been on tables at both the Generationpool.com 9-Ball Championships and the Canadian Snooker and Pool Champions, we have gotten excellent feedback from players. The most common being the cloth is not slippery, breaks in nicely and plays more consistently over time. We have since had numerous room owners call both us and the room owner in the spot to inquire about the cloth, and we have yet to have anyone call us after putting it on and want to go back to Simonis.
Tournament grade cloth is, and will be in the near future, compared to Simonis as it has been the only real consistent product available...until now.
Milliken, headquartered in Spartanburg SC, is a world wide leader in textile and chemical research and development. Many years ago, they acquired a woolen specialty mill in the UK, and this is where the Super Pro is produced. This mill has been operational for over 400 years, and they have kept the original mill and incorporated it into their current complex. Milliken's products have been used everywhere from Wimbledon to Nascar to the space shuttle. Their commitment to excellence has been demonstrated to me personally in their desire to constantly try and find ways to improve their products, and the Super Pro cloth is no exception. They have sought and used feedback from a variety of sources to make the best cloth they possibly can. After extensive testing, Milliken was chosen as the preferred cloth of the Deutsche Billiard Union, due in large part to the fact that it kept its playing characteristics longer and showed to be more durable over time.
There will always be people who will not be swayed from what they are most familiar with. My dad, who is 90 years old, has drank the same coffee for 40 years. He also grew up in a segregated society and to this day believes that "the old days" were better. There is nothing that can be done to change his mind...not even my brother marrying the sweetest black girl I have ever known and her giving him a grandchild. I'm glad that we aren't all stuck in the "good old days".
I just thought I would share my perspective. I admit that It may be a little biased, however Sterling also carries Simonis cloth, and I would have no problem telling someone what a top notch brand it is.
The real proof is in the pudding, and the fact that we have customers returning to purchase Milliken speaks volumes to me.