Miranda Cues

Yeah...Miranda was selling high end cue for cheap before because they didn't have their process right yet.
 
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Cuemaster98 said:
Yeah...Miranda was selling high end cue for cheap before because they didn't have their process right yet. All of their previous cue were not cored and they used pool quality wood and shaft dowel. Now they are actually using high quality wood and shaft dowel, not to mention that they cored all their cues with straight grain laminated dowel (40 pieces). All of their cues that I have received were all gorgeous and play amazing. I still think some of their cues are undervalued, considering the playability and craftsmanship of their cues.

Regards,
Duc.
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and I say you are a retard. I am the one that sent you a message saying you were a dumb ass for trying to sell a cue for double its price...from racheleprice
and if you want to call bull-shit it was this cue
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21212&item=7206569188
you were trying to sell for 350!!!

this is what ER sent to me when I was trying to find out about a cue maker


I recognize the style and now remember the name. Patrick Pua is Vincent Patrick Pua or Vince Cues. He's a dealer that subs to cuemakers. Him and his partner Joel broke up and Joel partnered up with another financier and opened Miranda Cues. Joel and new partner pirated people from Linds Cues for their shop. Joel and Vince used to sub to Tony. They both are not cuemakers but dealers. Do a search here on Vince Cues

So now the question.......quality of the work after the test of time!!!
has been known to warp and everything else after time in the states!!!

Now this is a high amount of money to pay for a rip off design of a GinaCue
 
chris2669 said:
and I say you are a retard. I am the one that sent you a message saying you were a dumb ass for trying to sell a cue for double its price...from racheleprice
and if you want to call bull-shit it was this cue
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21212&item=7206569188
you were trying to sell for 350!!!

this is what ER sent to me when I was trying to find out about a cue maker


I recognize the style and now remember the name. Patrick Pua is Vincent Patrick Pua or Vince Cues. He's a dealer that subs to cuemakers. Him and his partner Joel broke up and Joel partnered up with another financier and opened Miranda Cues. Joel and new partner pirated people from Linds Cues for their shop. Joel and Vince used to sub to Tony. They both are not cuemakers but dealers. Do a search here on Vince Cues

So now the question.......quality of the work after the test of time!!!
has been known to warp and everything else after time in the states!!!

Now this is a high amount of money to pay for a rip off design of a GinaCue
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I've heard of such things here... yes I don't think they are cuemakers but are just plain dealers or subcontract a cuemaker and ask them to put their label on the cues... kinda fishy how something loaded with ivory could sell that low...
 
Cuemaster98 said:
I having these guys custom design for me a fancy southwest cue. Will post pics when it arrived.
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Are you saying you intend to just knock off other peoples designs?
 
Cuemaster98 said:
No...I'm using their designs as an inspiration to my own design!! I don't want to copy exactly what these respected cuemakers have done. I want to make changes to their design to fit how I would have liked it. Sometime, my cue design comes from multiple cuemaker.. I having a custom made cue from Miranda Team that will include Some elements of Richard Chuby style, Bill Mcdaniel, Southwest, Jerry Mcworter and Bill Stroud cue. These guys are definitely some of the best cuemakers around today.

It's amazing how these cuemakers from the phillipine is able to replica some of the most complicate design elements by hand. In term of craftsmanship by hand..these guys have to be one of the best. They been craving and working with woods for years. Anyway, so far I have been very happy with the work that Miranda Team have done thus far. I submit my designs and they make it happen for me.

One of the most surprising thing is that all the cues that I've received from Miranda plays awesome and they are consistent. The only problem that they need to resolve really is the moisture issues and they must find a process that can keep the cue straight once in NA. I have bought a few early cues that have warped in the last 2 years. But the high end cues that I have been receiving lately are definitely a major improvement. Of Course, I still have to wait a few years to find out....

I have actually commission a local cue Maker "Don Broos" to stripe my cue, rebuild new shafts and refinish them. He will let the cue sit for 3 months or more and then take it down and refinish it so that it won't warp on me down the line.

Don Broos is going to be the next Gus Z
(you'll be hearing more about this sensational upcoming star in the cue making world)
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I am sure the cuemakers who are in fact creative and talented and not just thieves like you will love seeing their designs on other cues. Try having an original idea for a change, it can be very rewarding.
 
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Bottom line is that you will not get a lot of respect from the people who know cues on this forum.

These people appreciate those who are dedicated enough to never sell a product whose quality is not believed to be excellent. These people appreciate designers who innovate instead of copy. It is clear that, while you are not replicating directly the designs of other cues, your non-standard design elements are not original.

Let me ask you another question. How are you transporting your cues? Do you have documentation proving that your ivory is pre-ban and legal? It won't take long for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to catch on.
 
Yeah these guys are very talented....as for original ideas.. I think all the cue markes have already run out of ideas... If you think about it...Jerry Mcworter was copying Southwest design when he first started...I can name so many cuemaker that used existing design to create their own. I personally think my designs are inspiration from these cue maker and they are original ideas. 4 points, 6 points, 8 points, 12 points, inlays, rings, etc...all really all the same. Anyway, I've having Miranda Team create a wrapless 12 points southwest design with an orginal "SouthWest Pin". THe cue is all amboyna burl with ivory joint and hoppe ring work.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
....as for original ideas.. I think all the cue markes have already run out of ideas...
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This is a joke right. Look at some of the real cuemakers out there. This statement is like like saying all the art work has all ready been created, we just need to copy Van Gogh and Rembrandt because we can't come up with ideas of our own. That is absolutely absurd.

Cuemaster98 said:
I personally think my designs are inspiration from these cue maker and they are original ideas.
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Yeah right!!

Your cue...

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A cue made by a respected artisan...A Gina cue:

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This is not inspiration, this is like tracing the Mona Lisa and claiming you were inspired by it.

I'm with Jimbo on this one...Stop Cue Design Theft!

Jim
 
well i am happy someone is finally seeing my point out of this topic. Alot of these ebay cuemakers are not cue makers but basically a PIMP for these some of the actual makers of these cues!!!

and you can not tell me that you have not been jacking the price of these cues.....I been watch this SELLER(PIMP) selling cues for the last 6 or 7 moths now. I see you bidding on them all the time!!! His cues started out around the same price as did the Audrick Cues..........Now I have to say at least his shit is original. I mean he has had a few stick that went into the 400 range and were not bad looking. Miranda on the other hand is copying designs!!! And not worth the price they try to steal for some of them!! Maybe one day ebay will put up a Piracy act and nail all these people like you!!!
 
Simply put it, he's saying that expensive cuemakers' designs are now more affordable with Miranda Cues doing it and therefore why not, although I'm pretty against this idea of going the cheap way....

I myself own a Miranda too, but I have no way copied or stolen any of these designs. Simple custom is all I can say of it.

Getting it cheap is ok. But jacking up the price is no tolerable thing.
 
I will be happy to notify the person at the US Fish and Wildlife Service who confiscated my first and last cue with ivory about Miranda Cues. The use of illegal ivory is highly disreputable in my opinion, and it is very unfair to those makers that obey the laws and are trying to make a legal profit.
 
On the ebay page they dont take paypal, only money transfer.
That smells foul, i have heard of a lot of funky sellers who only take payment that way.
 
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