Mis-cue to often
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Yes a softer tip would help.
Are you only mis-cueing on shots where you are 2 tips or more away from center? Or are you mis-cueing on center ball shots too?
If you are mis-cueing on some center ball shots I'd concentrate my effort on your stroke and staying down on the shot first and foremost.
We need more info.
Are you only mis-cueing on shots where you are 2 tips or more away from center? Or are you mis-cueing on center ball shots too?
If you are mis-cueing on some center ball shots I'd concentrate my effort on your stroke and staying down on the shot first and foremost.
We need more info.
I made the switch to a soft tip for the same reason, and nearly eliminated miscues! If I get one now it is pretty obviously a lack of chalk, or shooting over a ball, or some other obvious let-up. Of course I play mostly One Pocket, which (for meIA8baller said:
) means alot of slow rolled shots, and a lot of english regularly. IMO, a soft tip is great for that.If you tend to stay around the center of the cue, and have a solid stroke, playing mostly 9-Ball and other games that let you use more speed, a harder tip should work for you.
Of course, a real good stroke through the cue ball helps too -- too bad I don't have that!
nyjoe14.1 said:
Seeing that most carom players choose medium or soft tips I would imagine that you should gain action on the cue ball if anything. I play with a Moori medium and have very little trouble with miscues, and I tend to use too much spin rather than not enough.
I used to miscue more often with a harder tip but I also have been working on following through straighter and I think that has helped more than the tip change.
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IMO:
A softer tip will help with the miscues.
You will get MORE action with the new tip,not less.
Stepping it back to a medium tip seem logical to me.I wouldn't hesitate to do it and think you will wonder why you didn't do it sooner.
A softer tip will help with the miscues.
You will get MORE action with the new tip,not less.
Stepping it back to a medium tip seem logical to me.I wouldn't hesitate to do it and think you will wonder why you didn't do it sooner.
Chalk the outer edge
I use a Moori Medium and get MORE action that when I was using hard tips. Also, I make sure I chalk the outer edge of the tip when I'm going to use extreme english. The outer edge and not the center of the tip is what will make contact with the CB on those juicy shots.
I use a Moori Medium and get MORE action that when I was using hard tips. Also, I make sure I chalk the outer edge of the tip when I'm going to use extreme english. The outer edge and not the center of the tip is what will make contact with the CB on those juicy shots.
I would think that once you got used to the hard tip, that you would get to know your limits and not surpase them. Now saying that, if you used the same stroke with a hard tip and a soft tip you would tend to miscue more with the harder tip.
I experienced this when I accidently started playing with my spare shaft which has a Morri on it. I misscued with it and noticed I was using the wrong shaft. I prefer the other one because it is .3 oz lighter and has a lepro on it.
I do like the firmer hit of the hard tip and the crisp sound it makes. Does anyone play with a morri soft? And if so, is it harder then a Lepro? I will probably go with something a little harder when I switch it out next time.
I experienced this when I accidently started playing with my spare shaft which has a Morri on it. I misscued with it and noticed I was using the wrong shaft. I prefer the other one because it is .3 oz lighter and has a lepro on it.
I do like the firmer hit of the hard tip and the crisp sound it makes. Does anyone play with a morri soft? And if so, is it harder then a Lepro? I will probably go with something a little harder when I switch it out next time.
nyjoe14.1 said:
No way, save your money. Rough up your tip and cut back on the wrist action, or upper arm movement. Those are the two things that get me on a miscueing spell now and again. It is not the tip, no matter how many people tell you...
seymore15074 said:
Absolutely true!
Miscues occur because of a misdirected stroke, or lack of chalk...PERIOD. Hardness of the tip means nothing. Everyone miscues on occasion...but nowhere near once an hour. Have your stroke checked out by a qualified instructor.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Typically, I might miscue once a night with a house cue....same with my own....it's possible that your not using enough chalk, but more likely that you might be a little overaggressive with the location of your contact with the cue.....ie, too far off center...
A softer tip or other shaft may help some
A softer tip or other shaft may help some
I have always liked softer tips but was told by many people to play with something harder to become more consistent and to achieve more predictable results. Thus I switched.
After using Moori Medium and Sniper, I went with a softer tip Tiger Medium, while I liked the easy spinning my accuracy started to suffer. After a while it became obvious that softer tips were no longer for me.
Therefore, I decided to experiment with a much harder tip the Triangle.
I cannot induce the same spinning action but in the end I make a lot more balls.
I miscue with Triangle tip actually less than with both Moori Medium or Sniper.
However, that may have something to do with playing a little more to the center of QB.
Probably once every 15 hours of play, most often when shooting over a ball, thus I have to agree it has to do a lot with the STROKE!
Also, the shaft has as much to do as a tip, some shafts are more lively then others.
BTW. Moori SP that’s actually Moori soft isn’t it?
After using Moori Medium and Sniper, I went with a softer tip Tiger Medium, while I liked the easy spinning my accuracy started to suffer. After a while it became obvious that softer tips were no longer for me.
Therefore, I decided to experiment with a much harder tip the Triangle.
I cannot induce the same spinning action but in the end I make a lot more balls.
I miscue with Triangle tip actually less than with both Moori Medium or Sniper.
However, that may have something to do with playing a little more to the center of QB.
Probably once every 15 hours of play, most often when shooting over a ball, thus I have to agree it has to do a lot with the STROKE!
Also, the shaft has as much to do as a tip, some shafts are more lively then others.
BTW. Moori SP that’s actually Moori soft isn’t it?
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Scott Lee said:
Though I definitely think that a stoke flaw is more likely the cause, I think saying that 'it can't be the type of tip' is a little bold.
I was going to start a thread about miscuing when I opened the forum and saw this thread. This thread is more talking about tips though. I think I'll still start one to talk about what stroke flaws could cause miscue.
Scott Lee said:
Well once an hour may have been an exaggeration, it just seemed like it was a lot. However I find it hard to believe that there is no connection between the hardness of the tip and how often I miscue. Im not saying that I have a world class stroke but it would just seem to me that a harder tip would naturally misce more often. Im not trying to second guess a professional instructor by any means but if there was a flaw in my stroke wouldn’t this be accentuated by the harder tip? And thus be alleviated by a softer more forgiving tip? Assuming the softer tip would be more forgiving.
I suppose I was looking for a certain answer when I started this thread and I may be way off here so if you or anyone else could explain how my reasoning is off I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Sure, I can explain it to you, but I'd have to see you stroke the CB to really answer your question. Regarding tip hardness...all tips are 'hard' to the touch. Even a 'soft' tip will not have any recognizable give in your hand, or glued on the end of your cue. IMO, if you blindfolded poolplayers, few if any would be able to tell a significant difference between tips. Maybe one of these days we'll do a blindfold test among several good players, and see what they say. I'll stick with what I said...you likely have some stroke flaw, that is causing you to miscue.
Scott Lee
Scott Lee
Scott Lee said:
Read my mind, Scott. Sure you'd miscue more if you try drawing a ball with a super-crazy-hard phenolic tip or something, but leather tips from soft to hard really isn't going to do much but determine how often your tip mushrooms...
sde said:
I will agree that a harder tip may require more attention to whether your tip is properly dressed and chalked, but otherwise, I concur with Scott Lee. The most likely scenario is that the original poster is either deviating too far from the center or is not strokingly smoothly straight through the ball.
A softer tip may not hurt, but it is most likely not the solution to the problem.