Info from the last 10k showdown on AZ showed John Morra winning 2700 for 1st place. I live bout 4hr drive , but thought for that kind of money it is worth a shot. After some investigation I discovered 1st paid 1000, and the calcutta paid 1700 for 1st , and that only 15% of the feild got money, the last 4 spots gettin a whoppin 80$. The tournament results shown clearly suggest that the 2700 was the prize money , when in reality it only paid 1000. Is this misleading ......or not??
Misleading info....or not??
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Hmmmmmm..........seems someone else felt this misleading also,,,,,,,,,,,the oct 23rd results have been removed from AZ...........although not confirmed I suspect the 1st tournament to have been reported in the same manner............btw......rumor has it that Dennis Hatch went for 550 in the calcutta.........was pissed the guy bid him up so high , didnt buy any of himself, pounded the balls around , and went out rite away........not sure about these calcutas, ocassionaly funny things happen....lol.trophycue said:
trophycue said:
I would say accurate. The winner did win 2700. Could only be misleading if it was leading you to something. Now if they advertized the tournament ahead of time saying 2700 for 1st place. Then that would be misleading.
I like calcuttas, one of these days I'm going to buy myself for 10 and win!
The removal of those results was purely accidental. I will be reposting them later today.
That entire report came directly from the tour promoters and was credited to them.
Mike
That entire report came directly from the tour promoters and was credited to them.
Mike
CaptainJR said:
I completely disagree.
Who says he bought himself in the calcutta? That money should be tossed aside when it comes to "winnings". I deem the payout as what he won for playing in the tournament and coming in first place, not sideline bets, which is exactly what a calcutta is.
First place paid 1000+1700= 2700 - 850= 1850 netted for first place (providing that the player bought half of himself) ***also it depends how much the player paid to get into the tournament, hotel stay and most importantly how much money did it cost him to buy half of himself in the calcutta. And if it is correct that Dennis Hatch dumped because of high calcutta bet then he is a chump!
I think that tournaments should just get rid of calcutta's altogether.
I think that tournaments should just get rid of calcutta's altogether.
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I guess it depends on what the info is for. Where was this info? Does it really matter how much he won? The fact is that he won. Weather the amount was 1000 or 2700, what does that matter.
If I ever win one of the Calcutta tournaments I enter, when I'm bragging to my buddies I'm going to be talking the entire amount. I won't be deducting entry fee's and how much I paid for beer for the weekend.
I'll be telling the IRS something entirely different.
If I ever win one of the Calcutta tournaments I enter, when I'm bragging to my buddies I'm going to be talking the entire amount. I won't be deducting entry fee's and how much I paid for beer for the weekend.
I'll be telling the IRS something entirely different.
However you count it, you need to subtract whatever you paid for the player in the Calcutta.
Joss Event
I know that the Joss Tour does not post payouts with Calcutta. I think it is the right way because as others have said the winner is not required to buy themselves in the calcutta.
I think the Joss Tour is very successful because of this. The players can get a good idea of first since no one knows where the pot on the calcutta will wind up.
I know that the Joss Tour does not post payouts with Calcutta. I think it is the right way because as others have said the winner is not required to buy themselves in the calcutta.
I think the Joss Tour is very successful because of this. The players can get a good idea of first since no one knows where the pot on the calcutta will wind up.
I was just thinking about this a little differently. In the tournaments that I go to, the prize money is given to the player. the calcutta money is given to the person the made the bet. Who they have to split it with is up to them. Like I've gone halves on a calcutta bet with someone and then the player we got came up to us and gave us half. So when we won some money, my partner got it, had to give the player half and me a fourth, but he officially had won all the money.
So, unless this player had bought himself, he just won 1000.
So, unless this player had bought himself, he just won 1000.
CaptainJR said:
Are you serious? If you and another person bought the player in a calcutta, you don't owe the player a damn thing. It's a sideline bet.
You got hosed, Tommy. You got hosed.
unless........ after re-reading it - the player you chose paid half of the calcutta fee?
Well Captain,
The original point of the thread was that the original poster feels he was mislead of the payout of that tounament. He would have traveled 4 hours to play in a tournament just to find out that the prize money won possibly would not have been worth the trip altogether.
If the original amounts of money won by the players with calcuttas monies listed second were posted than just having the two bunched together then a clear picture would have been painted as far as payout of places won by the players. And as far as the joss tour listing only placed monies won, thank you! When calcutta money is added to original prize money and posted as general winnings it is just misleading to players and possible future participants in those tournaments. This is just a small but important reason why pool is sliding backwards.
The original point of the thread was that the original poster feels he was mislead of the payout of that tounament. He would have traveled 4 hours to play in a tournament just to find out that the prize money won possibly would not have been worth the trip altogether.
If the original amounts of money won by the players with calcuttas monies listed second were posted than just having the two bunched together then a clear picture would have been painted as far as payout of places won by the players. And as far as the joss tour listing only placed monies won, thank you! When calcutta money is added to original prize money and posted as general winnings it is just misleading to players and possible future participants in those tournaments. This is just a small but important reason why pool is sliding backwards.
Hi Folks,
Very, very few of the tournaments I travel to mention a first place payout. Most advertise added money. In some cases, a minimum number of players is mentioned for that added amount. In some cases a player auction is mentioned. It depends on the state. In NY, it is illegal to hold a calcutta.
Pool players beware, golfers you're OK cause you have class. The government would never bother you with such minor trivia!
One of the few events to mention first place money is the PA State Eight Ball. The flyer clearly states that prize money is based on 256 players with $1500 added. When Mike gives a players total earnings in the AZ Players area, I don't believe he uses anything other than prize money won.
Very, very few of the tournaments I travel to mention a first place payout. Most advertise added money. In some cases, a minimum number of players is mentioned for that added amount. In some cases a player auction is mentioned. It depends on the state. In NY, it is illegal to hold a calcutta.
Pool players beware, golfers you're OK cause you have class. The government would never bother you with such minor trivia!
One of the few events to mention first place money is the PA State Eight Ball. The flyer clearly states that prize money is based on 256 players with $1500 added. When Mike gives a players total earnings in the AZ Players area, I don't believe he uses anything other than prize money won.
CaptainJR said:
Sorry Captain, Vegas calls. I can't change my airline reservations without a severe financial penalty. It just isn't worth it. I spoke with Gordy of C & G in Vegas last May. They are great people. They run a great event. Coby plays pretty well for an old guy (inside joke). There are just too many tournaments to play in! Or, are there enough? Best of luck to you. Actually, I hope you don't need it! Sell some photos.
