Mistery Cue
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Lightning response. Thanks,
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Audrick. Pampanga, Philippines.
Supposedly made by "Patrick Hermans" but that is likely a fake name as far as I have found.
Typically sold on Ebay in the $100-$150 range. A lot of them had ivory until Ebay cracked down on it.
They still occasionally show up on Ebay new, from the maker but are far less common now. It seemed like they weren't made at all for a year or so.
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Supposedly made by "Patrick Hermans" but that is likely a fake name as far as I have found.
Typically sold on Ebay in the $100-$150 range. A lot of them had ivory until Ebay cracked down on it.
They still occasionally show up on Ebay new, from the maker but are far less common now. It seemed like they weren't made at all for a year or so.
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Those were all over ebay for cheap for a while, and many people were selling them for a lot more in the rooms because they looked fancy. If you did not know the name and did not know the quality, you could say it was a $500+ cue.
Is this an example of what some folks call a Decal cue? I see Kaiser, Lucasi and some other name brands for sale at some really high prices $400- and higher and they claim they have inlays, but some folks tell me they are all import cues from the same plant in china and the inlays are just decals.
Is this an example of what some folks call a Decal cue? I see Kaiser, Lucasi and some other name brands for sale at some really high prices $400- and higher and they claim they have inlays, but some folks tell me they are all import cues from the same plant in china and the inlays are just decals.
No, it's not decals, they are inlays, but it's not very good quality and not expensive. Lucasi and Kaiser are decent brands, they should also be inlays, but may have some models that are decals. I know McDermott has both inlay and decal models. Some of the Kaiser models are "poor man's SouthWest", they got good reviews for their hit, and can pass for a SW cue if you did not examine it closer. http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/jj/km101_pool_cue.htm
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Mistery?
Whi dyd I even clyck on thys?
Whi dyd I even clyck on thys?
No, they are 100% real inlays.
I said above that a lot of the have ivory...no such thing as an ivory decal.
I still have a hard time understanding how people can confuse inlays with overlays. To me it's beyond obvious.
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Kaiser cues have gone "up and down" a lot. You might be surprised how bad some of them were. They do seem a bit more consistently better these days.
How many Audrick cues have you examined and compared with Lucasi and Kaiser cues? Side by side? Just curious.
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Me? Only have seen one Audrick in person and several Kaisers (from years back), Lucasis I have seen were plain ones but played well. The guy with the Audrick was trying to get double it's actual price hehe. I never hit with the Autrick or Kaiser cues, just what I have read about them from others. The Kaiser cues looked more solid and had a better finish, although both were not up to the finish quality of a Joss or McD, and for sure not up to a good custom finish.
I do remember some posts about Autrick cues on here from a while back also about their build quality and prices.
The vast majority in a pool room have no idea of what an inlay is, much less know that you can decal a cue. Most don't even care.
As far as being obvious, I have seen some Fury cues with a mixture of inlay and overlay that I am still not absolutely sure which is overlay. Of course, all the larger shapes are inlay. Also, I think they may decal over inlays, making it more difficult to tell.
Th Audricks are pretty hit and miss regarding their playing qualities.
I have also seen a number of them listed a highly inflated prices.
The Kaisers are looking much better than they used to, but I haven't handled one lately.
As for the finish, the Audrick finish looks OK when fresh, but it shrinks, at least on the ones I have seen.
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Is this an example of what some folks call a Decal cue? I see Kaiser, Lucasi and some other name brands for sale at some really high prices $400- and higher and they claim they have inlays, but some folks tell me they are all import cues from the same plant in china and the inlays are just decals.
On close inspection you can almost always spot the decals. Decals wont show wood grain and the points on decal cues are always perfectly even, this is seldom the case with real points.
I have seen the overlays mixed with inlay as well.
Some overlays can be hard to tell at a glance I admit. But I think most are pretty obvious.
But as you say, most aren't interested to know or understand such things. Which was kind of my point. I have always found it hard to understand how so many players seem to lack much real understanding of cues.
Just a matter of perspective I guess. I was fascinated by the cues and extremely interested in them very early in my pool experience, I guess most just aren't.
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Great inputs and discussions. This is why I live this site. Thanks.
Great inputs and discussions. This is why I live this site. Thanks.
+1 I had never even heard of Overlay before, and just became aware of these so called decal cues recently, sorry to hi-jack the thread, but I am learning allot about cues here.
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I was also fascinated by the cues early in my pool experience, but everything I was exposed to was hand made by local cue makers here in Tampa that I would go to; Rocky Tillis was my first experience, he made me a shaft for my Palmer, then Ricco, Wayne Gunn and LaRue, these guys had shops with lathes and made everything in house and would let me sit there and watch them. I just don't have any experience with production cues, this whole thing started a few weeks ago, one of the local gamblers at the Flamingo was playing with a cue that seemed to have allot of inlay work, it looked like a very expensive cue, now this guy lives in a flop house and is on probation and will gamble his last dollar away, work hard at his job all week and live to play again, I could not understand how he had such an expensive cue, so I asked another playing sweating the match and he said it is a Decal cue, cheap-o import from a plant in China where they manufacture Lucasi, Kaiser, J&J, KC and many other cues.
Thank you to everyone who has posted so far.:thumbup2:
My first cue was my JOSS, but I had a lot of exposure to players using production cues. I also became kind of a catalog nut early on and would get the catalogs for all the companies back in the eighties.
My first exposure to a custom maker was Mottey, I am from Pittsburgh originally.
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My first exposure to a custom maker was Mottey, I am from Pittsburgh originally.
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