Mobile, AL UPDATE

JoeyA

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I got a few hours sleep this morning and am back at work after a grueling weekend at Breaker's Billiards in Mobile.

It was FAR BETTER than I expected. I don't know of many regional or local tournaments that could have brought in a stronger line-up. The field was over 100 players and 30% of them could REALLY PLAY. I won a match against a young man named Troy ? and lost to Will Pay and Denny Fox. I played well against Will Pay after he quit making the nine on the break and running racks on me but lost 9-6. Oh yeah I dogged the second game which would have evened out the momentum and could have had an entirely different outcome. Those bar tables are a break contest for sure. Against Denny, I was already exhausted and up since early Saturday morning. My match against Denny was at around 2:00 am Sunday morning. He played OK, I played poorly and he beat me rather severely.

THE ACTION?

It was EVERYWHERE and with EVERYONE. I loved this tournament. It had all of the tournament bar table players cross-playing on the tight pocketed 9 foot Diamond Tables, playing equal amounts of nine ball and one pocket. I can't even begin to tell you how much actio went on. I saw so much action, well, you can just take my word for it. It was an action player's dream. I even got into the heat of battle a couple of times after I got knocked out. One fellow, a lurker and former very good player (his words) named Joe McNamaro knew who I was and just wanted a friendly game of one pocket for $50 a game. He knew I was just an Internet geek and offered me 10-8 without me asking for weight. We wound up playing some friendly one pocket and I came out ahead. Another local and I matched up and I won also, not much but they showed a visitor a good time.:D

BILLY INCARDONA is the man. He doesn't play world class but he himself is world class, showing respect to prospective players, competitors and sweaters alike. He has one of the friendliest banter that you could ever imagine all the while gambling. However, he did show his bulldog teeth when another good player (who sat on the side line) insinuated that Billy and Chohan had not played a certain game a certain way. Billy was not pleased and neither would I be. A couple of young stars were standing next to me and said they were in Louisville when Billy played that particular game and Billy was telling the truth. I urged them to speak up because no one else was. Finally one of them did the right thing and agreed with Billy. I was very proud of the young man. He runs with Nick Vitta and I don't know his name. I understand reservation about not wanting to get into two other player's business but when one of them who is by all rights a stand up guy, has his good named sullied, you have an obligation to clarify the truth if you know it and no one else is speaking up.

I saw $10,000 sets, lots of multi-thousand dollar sets, lots of $100 a game stuff. I was probably the cheapest action in the joint at $50 a game. No, I saw Electric Mike and Nick from Houma gambling and I know they weren't betting no $50 a game. :p

Eddie Brown was palsy-walsy with Lil John. Lil John put his winnings in action faster than Paris Hilton drops her panties on a hot summer night.
Lil John stayed in action all weekend long with stake horses and with his own cash. His play was impressive at times and mediocre at time.s He played Tony Watson aka Shrimp Boat, at least twice losing big the first time playing even up one pocket, the second time he played flawless and won big. Lil John was the winner of the big ring game and had lots of people pulling for him. :)

Scotty Townsend give Eddie Brown the 7 ball and the last two and spanked him SEVERLY. Scotty can still play! Eddie squirmed and asked for the 6 and the last three and Scotty said he could play 500 jelly beans A GAME with just the 6 and Eddie bowed his head and went after some other action . Eddie STAYED in acton the whole weekend.

There was a steady stream of gambling that went on 24/7 . I just had to hunker down and order my food from the grill out back of the pool room although I don't like to eat hamburgers all of the time but it was a sweater's dream and I didn't want to wake up. When I did sleep which was for just a few hours I couldn't wait to get back. I would watch the bar table action for a while and then move back over to the 9 footers and just kept moving back and forth.

Hillbilly, Jeremy Jones, Jesse Middlebrook, Chuck??, John Schmidt, David Walters, Nick Vitta & running mates, Tony Chohan, Tony Watson, Pablo Matheu, Lil John, Eddie Brown, Billy Incardona (he adds a whole new dimension to a pool tournament), Ronnie Wiseman, Scotty Townsend and the list goes on and on. Tournament promoters should comp him for hotel and travel as he is a magnet for action and doesn't mind mixing it up. Yeah, I was impressed with his gamble and his style. His game was pretty good too. :)

I couldn't stay much longer and had to leave. I was worn down to the nub. Jesse Middlebrook and Hillbilly were fighting it out on bar tables when I left.

A little scuttlebutt, although I missed seeing the reason for the outburst, Hillbilly and Jeremy Jones were playing and I walked up just after Jeremy had broke the balls and the balls didn't spread well, Jeremy picked up a couple of balls and threw them at one of the pockets and unscrewed his cue and left. I didn't see the rack but a lot of attention was being given to the racks by racker and the breaker throughout the tournament. I had to ask one of my competitors to fix the rack 4 different times.

Hillybilly can JUMP DRAW with the best and it is obvious he can play and is one of the best. I don't know how Hillbilly faired with that Jesse Middlebrook guy but Jesse doesn't miss much.

Tater or something close to that deserves honorable mention for being in the thick of it. I think he is from Alabama, Ohio or somewhere :D but he was staying in action. Oh, yeah Lil Sal, if you like a small pit bull, try some of him on for size. You might win a bundle as he really has a lot of gamble. He lost two sets in a row playing even nine ball and just wouldn't quit. He kept raising the bet and finally won some of his money back from Tater. Tater quit saying he was tired but continued hanging around trying to change the game from an ahead set to a race but Sal would have none of it.

I left with DOZENS of gamblers and players everywhere. The stakehorses came to gamble and they did 24/7. Wish I could have stayed.

$4000 for first place, Second was I think $2,000 or maybe$2500 but it wentdown FAST from there. Thatwas tournament money. Maybe someone else can put the details out there later on.
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
JoeyA (It was a FIVE-COOL TOURNAMENT)
 
I think that is the best update on this forum I have ever read, JoeyA.

WOW, what an event! I'll bet you had a blast.

Thanks for providing the EXACT kind of details us inquiring minds back home enjoy reading about! :)

JAM
 
JAM said:
I think that is the best update on this forum I have ever read, JoeyA.

WOW, what an event! I'll bet you had a blast.

Thanks for providing the EXACT kind of details us inquiring minds back home enjoy reading about! :)

JAM

One of your favorite players was notably absent from the green felt. Ronnie Wiseman sat on the sideline betting money with Tony Chohan and barking at Billy INcardona, Eddie Brown and anyone else that would listen but I didn'tsee him set one hand on the tables although he may have played in the bar table tournament.

It seemed that all of the 9 foot tables stayed busy the entire weekend.

Scotty T is coming to New Orleans next weekend for our bi-monthly tournament and some other players from that area have pledged to make it down this way.

The weekend after that we have the Gulfport, MS Pechauer tournament which I may go to as well. It depends how much guilt I will be feeling if Doc and gulfport players show up this weekend at Buffalo Billiards in Metairie. :D

JoeyA
 
That was a fantastic update, Joey. Thanks for the well written report. It's always a blast getting to hear about the happenings on the table of green, from all over the map.

Peace, JBK
 
Tag Teaming- THE REST OF THE STORY.

JAM said:
I think that is the best update on this forum I have ever read, JoeyA.

WOW, what an event! I'll bet you had a blast.

Thanks for providing the EXACT kind of details us inquiring minds back home enjoy reading about! :)

JAM

Another twist in the saga about the Olathe, KS tournament and the two young players that were accused of tag teaming Orcullo & OTHERS.

Based upon what I saw of the video and the one ball shot, the circumstances as I knew them (Orcullo left with one barrel), I would have played the game giving the shot back to the fouling player insuring that Orcullo gets knocked out and I make at least an additional $5000.00. I didn't see anything wrong with trying to make the ball and leaving it in the hole in case I miss, thereby insuring a victory for the two players with the most money.

I hope most of you know when I am joking and when I am not by now. This is pretty serious and I am only posting because of my former position on this subject. I had a talk with one of the people who was there at the tournament, a person who knows what they see, a person who doesn't have an agenda, a person who doesn't lie (never to me) but who says that there was in essence a tag-team operation going on between the two young men who won first and second place. Normally I would simply let that weigh in and be knashed over for posterity but this came from a good source who I trust 100% about this and don't ask who it is. It doesn't matter and while you may not know me, I am a stickler for people playing fair. If you play me you had better play fair or you will not like it. It goes without saying that if you try to cheat me, I'm not talking about waiting for you to come out the pool hall and put a bullet in your head just that I am going to let you have a whole lot more than you expected. This is just a hobby for me but one that I take seriously. I have every reason to believe that even though I wasn't there and didnt' see a damn thing, tag-teaming went on and so I am reversing my opinion and think that what the two young men did wasn't right. I hope they change their ways. If the source wasn't as reliable as it is, I wouldn't be writing this.:(
(and please again, don't ask for the source's name whether it be in PM or this forum). As with any information that you hear whether it be from me or anyone else, especially on Internet Forums like this, consider it and make or don't make up your own mind about what went down. Normally I would never post about something like this that I hadn't seen but I made a statement that McWhorter was in essence proven wrong by the video but as with most things, there is THE REST OF THE STORY.

Sorry JamieMcWhorter, I believe you were correct about the tag teaming and it is something that should not be tolerated.

JoeyA
 
Only 24 Letters Left To Guess

Thanks for the action report,Joey. I'm sorry that I couldn't make it. I suppose that the bar sales suffered from my absence...
D.
( btw, what is your sources name.......... does it start with a 'J' or a 'T' ? )


Edited to add:
Or an 'S' ?
 
Smorgass Bored said:
Thanks for the action report,Joey. I'm sorry that I couldn't make it. I suppose that the bar sales suffered from my absence...
D.
( btw, what is your sources name.......... does it start with a 'J' or a 'T' ? )


Edited to add:
Or an 'S' ?

You weren't even close. Try Bill C and I won't say the rest of his last name but he has been accused of the NAFTA fiasco by a fellow patriot. Poor guy, he won't even notice the extra load. Didn't mean to out him but he gets outed often. You made me do it. There are you satisfied?
JoeyA
 
Was It Monica Blewinsky ?

JoeyA said:
You weren't even close. Try Bill C and I won't say the rest of his last name but he has been accused of the NAFTA fiasco by a fellow patriot. Poor guy, he won't even notice the extra load. Didn't mean to out him but he gets outed often. You made me do it. There are you satisfied?
JoeyA


CLINTON ? Oy-Vey !
D.
( and you believed him..... even when he said, "I did NOT have Sax with that woman ?" )
 
JoeyA said:
Another twist in the saga about the Olathe, KS tournament and the two young players that were accused of tag teaming Orcullo & OTHERS.
<SNIPPED>
Normally I would never post about something like this that I hadn't seen but I made a statement that McWhorter was in essence proven wrong by the video but as with most things, there is THE REST OF THE STORY.

Sorry JamieMcWhorter, I believe you were correct about the tag teaming and it is something that should not be tolerated.

JoeyA

Joey,

"Rep Points" given.... You definitely deserve it for this post! I've tried to tell people here for the past couple weeks that what was happening to both James and Dennis looked bad on the webcast. Jamie said it looked obvious and Walden is on record saying it was obvious. Everyone has their own reason to hate on Jamie and not believe what he says but James is as stand up a guy as there is out there! If James says it went down like that, that's good enough for me! Whether people like it or not, the "Honest Effort" rule was not enforced by the TD....

Saw
 
The Saw said:
Joey,

"Rep Points" given.... You definitely deserve it for this post! I've tried to tell people here for the past couple weeks that what was happening to both James and Dennis looked bad on the webcast. Jamie said it looked obvious and Walden is on record saying it was obvious. Everyone has their own reason to hate on Jamie and not believe what he says but James is as stand up a guy as there is out there! If James says it went down like that, that's good enough for me! Whether people like it or not, the "Honest Effort" rule was not enforced by the TD....

Saw

Thanks KiiiiiSAW. It is how others saw it too. I wouldn't have believed my new perspective completely coming from a stranger but my source isn't a stranger and I consider trustworthy and above reproach. And just for the record, my source wasn't James "Scaredy Cat" Walden :D nor Jamie McWhorter so there are others who were on the spot that saw what was happening.
Personally, I haven't seen James' response but was told it was on www.theactionreport.com website and will check it out soon.

From what I have now heard from reliable sources (and I agree with you), the "HONEST EFFORT" rule was not enforced by the TD.

JoeyA (can't believe I am writing about something I never saw for myself firsthand.) Take my new perpective with a grain of salt just like the old one.
 
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JoeyA said:
Thanks KiiiiiSAW. It is how others saw it too. I wouldn't have believed my new perspective completely coming from a stranger but my source isn't a stranger and I consider trustworthy and above reproach. And just for the record, my source wasn't James "Scaredy Cat" Walden :D nor Jamie McWhorter so there are others who were on the spot that saw what was happening.
Personally, I haven't seen James' response but was told it was on www.theactionreport.com website and will check it out soon.

From what I have now heard from reliable sources (and I agree with you), the "HONEST EFFORT" rule was not enforced by the TD.

JoeyA (can't believe I am writing about something I never saw for myself firsthand.) Take my new perpective with a grain of salt just like the old one.
If you know a pool player that is trustworthy & above reproach, I would like to shake his hand.
 
JoeyA said:
Scotty T is coming to New Orleans next weekend for our bi-monthly tournament and some other players from that area have pledged to make it down this way.

The weekend after that we have the Gulfport, MS Pechauer tournament which I may go to as well. It depends how much guilt I will be feeling if Doc and gulfport players show up this weekend at Buffalo Billiards in Metairie. :D
I'll be there, ole buddy. And the equipment at Skeeter's for the Pechauer event should be splendiferous! BTW, Nick Vita's running mate is a good player named Blake.

Later~ Doc
 
NEW INFO right off the press

gulfportdoc said:
I'll be there, ole buddy. And the equipment at Skeeter's for the Pechauer event should be splendiferous! BTW, Nick Vita's running mate is a good player named Blake.

Later~ Doc

RIGHT NOW, Tony Chohan is playing Jeremy Jones even up one pocket for teens of bags of sand and the score is 5-4 in a race to 9 I THINK. Tony had him 3-1 according to my source.

I knew this would go on indefinitely and am just sorry I still work for a living. :D They might stay around another few days if this keeps up. I sure hope some of them make it down to our little tournament. I know Scotty will be there and I think some of the local Mobile guys will be too. Maybe Joosh Hillard will make it over our way for this weekends tournament at Buffalo Billiards in Metairie, LA.

See you there Doc. Maybe we can invite Walt Frazier to come and we can give him an adjustment. :D :D :D

JoeyA
 
Walt Frazier said:
Great update Joey....
UR welcome.

Come visit Buffalo Billiards in Metairie THIS SATURDAY. We expect a good turnout and would love to meet you.

JoeyA
 
Tag Teaming or not - the rules WERE followed as they were laid out and it was Shane McMinn's choice to give back the shot. At least according to the video and the rules the game was played 100% according to the rules. In the future if they enact the MUST SHOOT rule then it will solve it for situations like this.

The Honest Effort Rule ONLY applies to the shooter who is taking the shot. If a player declines a shot AFTER a foul then they should not be accused of not giving an Honest Effort.

I still do not believe that there was collusion by Shane and Mike but I trust Joey and if he believes it then perhaps there is something to it. I wonder however WHY no one mentioned this for anything other than The Shot? Surely there must have been plenty of situations for the rail to see that Dennis was being cut up? Can anyone point us to more evidence than what was shown on the Action Report?

For that matter - for actual REAL ACTION it sounds like the Mobile tournament gives Shooters the 5 out and the breaks. At least comparing the action report from Joey A and the one from Shooters.

John
 
JoeyA said:
I got a few hours sleep this morning and am back at work after a grueling weekend at Breaker's Billiards in Mobile.

It was FAR BETTER than I expected. I don't know of many regional or local tournaments that could have brought in a stronger line-up. The field was over 100 players and 30% of them could REALLY PLAY. I won a match against a young man named Troy ? and lost to Will Pay and Denny Fox. I played well against Will Pay after he quit making the nine on the break and running racks on me but lost 9-6. Oh yeah I dogged the second game which would have evened out the momentum and could have had an entirely different outcome. Those bar tables are a break contest for sure. Against Denny, I was already exhausted and up since early Saturday morning. My match against Denny was at around 2:00 am Sunday morning. He played OK, I played poorly and he beat me rather severely.

THE ACTION?

It was EVERYWHERE and with EVERYONE. I loved this tournament. It had all of the tournament bar table players cross-playing on the tight pocketed 9 foot Diamond Tables, playing equal amounts of nine ball and one pocket. I can't even begin to tell you how much actio went on. I saw so much action, well, you can just take my word for it. It was an action player's dream. I even got into the heat of battle a couple of times after I got knocked out. One fellow, a lurker and former very good player (his words) named Joe McNamaro knew who I was and just wanted a friendly game of one pocket for $50 a game. He knew I was just an Internet geek and offered me 10-8 without me asking for weight. We wound up playing some friendly one pocket and I came out ahead. Another local and I matched up and I won also, not much but they showed a visitor a good time.:D

BILLY INCARDONA is the man. He doesn't play world class but he himself is world class, showing respect to prospective players, competitors and sweaters alike. He has one of the friendliest banter that you could ever imagine all the while gambling. However, he did show his bulldog teeth when another good player (who sat on the side line) insinuated that Billy and Chohan had not played a certain game a certain way. Billy was not pleased and neither would I be. A couple of young stars were standing next to me and said they were in Louisville when Billy played that particular game and Billy was telling the truth. I urged them to speak up because no one else was. Finally one of them did the right thing and agreed with Billy. I was very proud of the young man. He runs with Nick Vitta and I don't know his name. I understand reservation about not wanting to get into two other player's business but when one of them who is by all rights a stand up guy, has his good named sullied, you have an obligation to clarify the truth if you know it and no one else is speaking up.

I saw $10,000 sets, lots of multi-thousand dollar sets, lots of $100 a game stuff. I was probably the cheapest action in the joint at $50 a game. No, I saw Electric Mike and Nick from Houma gambling and I know they weren't betting no $50 a game. :p

Eddie Brown was palsy-walsy with Lil John. Lil John put his winnings in action faster than Paris Hilton drops her panties on a hot summer night.
Lil John stayed in action all weekend long with stake horses and with his own cash. His play was impressive at times and mediocre at time.s He played Tony Watson aka Shrimp Boat, at least twice losing big the first time playing even up one pocket, the second time he played flawless and won big. Lil John was the winner of the big ring game and had lots of people pulling for him. :)

Scotty Townsend give Eddie Brown the 7 ball and the last two and spanked him SEVERLY. Scotty can still play! Eddie squirmed and asked for the 6 and the last three and Scotty said he could play 500 jelly beans A GAME with just the 6 and Eddie bowed his head and went after some other action . Eddie STAYED in acton the whole weekend.

There was a steady stream of gambling that went on 24/7 . I just had to hunker down and order my food from the grill out back of the pool room although I don't like to eat hamburgers all of the time but it was a sweater's dream and I didn't want to wake up. When I did sleep which was for just a few hours I couldn't wait to get back. I would watch the bar table action for a while and then move back over to the 9 footers and just kept moving back and forth.

Hillbilly, Jeremy Jones, Jesse Middlebrook, Chuck??, John Schmidt, David Walters, Nick Vitta & running mates, Tony Chohan, Tony Watson, Pablo Matheu, Lil John, Eddie Brown, Billy Incardona (he adds a whole new dimension to a pool tournament), Ronnie Wiseman, Scotty Townsend and the list goes on and on. Tournament promoters should comp him for hotel and travel as he is a magnet for action and doesn't mind mixing it up. Yeah, I was impressed with his gamble and his style. His game was pretty good too. :)

I couldn't stay much longer and had to leave. I was worn down to the nub. Jesse Middlebrook and Hillbilly were fighting it out on bar tables when I left.

A little scuttlebutt, although I missed seeing the reason for the outburst, Hillbilly and Jeremy Jones were playing and I walked up just after Jeremy had broke the balls and the balls didn't spread well, Jeremy picked up a couple of balls and threw them at one of the pockets and unscrewed his cue and left. I didn't see the rack but a lot of attention was being given to the racks by racker and the breaker throughout the tournament. I had to ask one of my competitors to fix the rack 4 different times.

Hillybilly can JUMP DRAW with the best and it is obvious he can play and is one of the best. I don't know how Hillbilly faired with that Jesse Middlebrook guy but Jesse doesn't miss much.

Tater or something close to that deserves honorable mention for being in the thick of it. I think he is from Alabama, Ohio or somewhere :D but he was staying in action. Oh, yeah Lil Sal, if you like a small pit bull, try some of him on for size. You might win a bundle as he really has a lot of gamble. He lost two sets in a row playing even nine ball and just wouldn't quit. He kept raising the bet and finally won some of his money back from Tater. Tater quit saying he was tired but continued hanging around trying to change the game from an ahead set to a race but Sal would have none of it.

I left with DOZENS of gamblers and players everywhere. The stakehorses came to gamble and they did 24/7. Wish I could have stayed.

$4000 for first place, Second was I think $2,000 or maybe$2500 but it wentdown FAST from there. Thatwas tournament money. Maybe someone else can put the details out there later on.
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
JoeyA (It was a FIVE-COOL TOURNAMENT)


Chuck ???=Chuck Dorsett....he placed 4th and is not known for his bar table playing. A great player and one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. Pool needs more guys like him.
 
TheHole said:
Chuck ???=Chuck Dorsett....he placed 4th and is not known for his bar table playing. A great player and one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. Pool needs more guys like him.

I agree with you about him being the nicest guys you will meet. I was standing close to him and it looked like he was sweating one of the matches on the bar tables as he had no cue in his hand. He moved across the room to retrieve a bar stool to sit on and placed it close to where I was standing. I quipped, "THANKS!", to which he replied, "uhh-no". I smiled and after several minutes of watching another player running balls left and right, he got up to go rack the balls. When he came back to his chair, I grimmaced as I realized he was in a match with Jesse Middlebrook and Jesse wasn't missing any balls. :o I eased over to him and whispered an apology and he was very gracious saying it didn't bother him at all. He wasn't shooting and there was no harm done. Me, I don't want my best pal talking to another person on the other side of the room let alone some yahoo asking me for the bar stool I retrieved for myself. :D

Anyway, I agree he seems to be a very nice guy.

JoeyA :o
 
JoeyA said:
Me, I don't want my best pal talking to another person on the other side of the room let alone some yahoo asking me for the bar stool I retrieved for myself. :D

JoeyA :o



Look at the money I saved in just gas alone, not to mention room, food and bar bill.... :)
Doug
( I think I'll spend it on Poker )
 
watchez said:
If you know a pool player that is trustworthy & above reproach, I would like to shake his hand.

That may not be too far from the truth but me thinks you may have been chased by a bear when you were a wee lad. There are lots of trustworthy people in the pool world. (But if you are in the same room with this individual and I am there, I'll make sure to introduce you to him) although I don't think I said he/she was a pool-player.

I'm only a wannabee pool player and you can shake my hand.

Should I want to shake yours? :)
JoeyA
 
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