Monster cue...hits a ton...etc., etc., etc.

Chopdoc said:
LOL!

One does not feel the hit apparently.



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Like I said, some dont know how to tell. If you equate the two you're not getting it. Here lemme' help ya, "Hit" is reactionary, "Feel" is not... Unless after playing with the cue you FEEL like smacking someone..:wink:

Skins----------------"feels" a lot...
 
skins said:
Like I said, some dont know how to tell. If you equate the two you're not getting it. Here lemme' help ya, "Hit" is reactionary, "Feel" is not... Unless after playing with the cue you FEEL like smacking someone..:wink:

Skins----------------"feels" a lot...
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LOL!

LOL!


LOL!


Careful there Sparky. :wink:


You made me laugh at you and spit my coffee on my keyboard.


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Chopdoc said:
I deal with such matters every day. All you need to do is google subjective measures or subjective measurement. You can read all day and barely make a dent.

You realize, of course, this is very much within my formal field of expertise, right?

An example:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1497034/





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Hold on.

Some of this thread is dealing with the hit of a cue. How can anyone use subjective data and then say it is factual or some version thereof?
 
I have always thought that my cue was a monster, lights out cues that hit a ton.
After reading this thread I realize that I have no idea what the heck it truly
is.
I have no idea how it plays except that I can play well with it and I like how it looks.
Best cue that I have ever owned.
If I ever list it for sale I wll decribe it as "good looking cue that plays great for mr.IMHO"
 
Ok, we all know these terms seem overused. It begs the question, what about those rare, special cues? No, not in that they have 4000 Ivory, silver or gold inlays. What I mean is cues that just play on another level. Those that may be fancy or not fancy but their hallmark is a hit & playability that no matter who picks it up & hits with it they just get that unmistakable look on their face that translates "my god, this cue plays amazing". So how should those cues be described to differentiate them?
 
I would add the new popular term I have been seeing more and more lately - 'plays like a Southwest'

While I agree there are a select few cues that have that intangible feel, most of the above posters are correct, it is completely up to the holder of the cue, and can be influenced (sometimes greatly) by the tip on the cue. You can take a cue that someone thinks hits a ton, put a softer or harder tip on it, and now it's just 'meh'

I think your initial feelings on the matter are correct, and that it is just marketing. An interesting experiment might be to ask sellers or describers of these cues what exactly makes it 'hit a ton' and see what sort of responses you get - even if you get something like 'lots of feedback' or 'good ping' that gives you a much more concrete idea (even if still subjective) to go on.
 
JasBy said:
I would add the new popular term I have been seeing more and more lately - 'plays like a Southwest'

While I agree there are a select few cues that have that intangible feel, most of the above posters are correct, it is completely up to the holder of the cue, and can be influenced (sometimes greatly) by the tip on the cue. You can take a cue that someone thinks hits a ton, put a softer or harder tip on it, and now it's just 'meh'

I think your initial feelings on the matter are correct, and that it is just marketing. An interesting experiment might be to ask sellers or describers of these cues what exactly makes it 'hit a ton' and see what sort of responses you get - even if you get something like 'lots of feedback' or 'good ping' that gives you a much more concrete idea (even if still subjective) to go on.
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Ooops, you interjected the term "Southwest" into this mix. Now people will start to go batshit crazy.....:eek:
 
HawaiianEye said:
1. I see this kind of description on tons of cues for sale on here and it brings a couple questions to mind.

2. I've seen some monster players who could play with half-ton cues,


3. Is a cue a "monster" if it plays like a dog?
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1. Did you mean exactly one ton

2. Was the player a monster, or the cue?

3. What does "plays like a dog" mean?

Those are some of your own descriptive words.

Point being: people use all sorts of words to describe their cues.
Bottom line: if the cue is good and made by a good maker none of this is necessary.
Just good pictures are enough.
 
xXGEARXx said:
Hold on.

Some of this thread is dealing with the hit of a cue. How can anyone use subjective data and then say it is factual or some version thereof?
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Interesting question.

Personally, I am not willing to invest the time and other resources necessary to answer that for the subject at hand.

Some have invested extensive time and resources investigating things like deflection.

Perhaps this matter of hit will be investigated down the road.

Whether or not subjective data can be collected, measured, and analyzed is clearly done quite regularly in other fields.

If you are looking for higher understanding of the matter in general I would suggest taking up formal study of it.

Once the foundation courses of study are complete I would proceed with a further foundation in philosophy and logic, then probably statistics and the behavioral sciences. A good advanced course in research design would be imperative I think. Then focusing on subjective measurement and research including qualitative data analysis would probably be of benefit. But like many things there are many ways to skin that cat and different ways to reach the higher level of understanding.


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Pool is no different that any other hobby or interest, most notably competetive/sporting endeavors, where hyperbolic lingo is commonly used to describe things. I don't understand why it bothers anyone, although at the same time nobody should be expected to take it that seriously.

If I say my cue "hits or ton" or shoots "lights out" (not that I ever have or would), I would think it clear than I'm exclaiming how great I believe it is, and I'm probably pretty passionate about it. That's all. Now granted some people aren't knowledgeable enough to either (a) fully appreciate what a "good hitting" cue really means, or (b) recognize that it is in fact largely subjective, so that a cue that feels great to me may not to you.

But regardless it's human nature when someone's trying to sell or otherwise describe a cue they feel strongly about good or bad, they'll use colorful language in doing so. Plus for sale listings would be awfully dry and boring if all the subjective or comparison info was left out. :)
 
INHO monster refers to the design and it's level of workmanship. A merry widow is not a monster. While a very fancy Tascarella could be. A simple Bushka is a rare cue but not a monster.

Hits a ton refers to the seller advertising that the cue is a great hitting cue, which is subjective of course. With that in mind, you must always consider the source and that person's experiences with cues. Also, it helps to know the maker and how their cues play.

Cues are like bottles of wines. There are good bottles of Lafite and great bottles of lafite, but I like thier style of wine making. Same with cues. There are good Southwests and Great Southwests but I like thier style of cue-making.
 
prewarhero said:
INHO monster refers to the design and it's level of workmanship. A merry widow is not a monster. While a very fancy Tascarella could be. A simple Bushka is a rare cue but not a monster.

Hits a ton refers to the seller advertising that the cue is a great hitting cue, which is subjective of course. With that in mind, you must always consider the source and that person's experiences with cues. Also, it helps to know the maker and how their cues play.

Cues are like bottles of wines. There are good bottles of Lafite and great bottles of lafite, but I like thier style of wine making. Same with cues. There are good Southwests and Great Southwests but I like thier style of cue-making.
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I'm not so much a wine guy but I'll tell you what, this bottle of Jack Daniels I've been using hits a damn ton
 
Chopdoc said:
Interesting question.

Personally, I am not willing to invest the time and other resources necessary to answer that for the subject at hand.

Some have invested extensive time and resources investigating things like deflection.

Perhaps this matter of hit will be investigated down the road.

Whether or not subjective data can be collected, measured, and analyzed is clearly done quite regularly in other fields.

If you are looking for higher understanding of the matter in general I would suggest taking up formal study of it.

Once the foundation courses of study are complete I would proceed with a further foundation in philosophy and logic, then probably statistics and the behavioral sciences. A good advanced course in research design would be imperative I think. Then focusing on subjective measurement and research including qualitative data analysis would probably be of benefit. But like many things there are many ways to skin that cat and different ways to reach the higher level of understanding.


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How am I not being clear enough for you? Or are you just making me take a position I never did in the first place?

Let me be as clear as I can be here: A pool cue's "hit" is subjective, therefore purely opinion based. Ten different people could say ten different things about how a pool cue hits. The hit of a pool cue is based solely on opinion.
 
I was telling a buddy just this week that I'm going to start a movement to abolish the term "monster" when describing a cue...:thumbup:
 
Worminator said:
I was telling a buddy just this week that I'm going to start a movement to abolish the term "monster" when describing a cue...:thumbup:
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Good idea!

Another idea may be to change "hits a ton" to "plays real damn good in the hands of experienced player but I don't know how you'll do with it or like the feel".
 
Cues

Monster cues .

Wow guys with all the advertisements in the world and you guys have nothing else to do but to complain about some one who makes a ad that says monster cue or hits a ton.
Talk about getting your panties all bunched up over nothing.

Personally who cares, I mean really its no skin of anyone nose, if you think the ad is that bad and you don't do it then in all reality you should be happy because it makes your ads look better.

The last part is its not our business, if you are not a buyer and the cue is the real deal what business is it of ours.

Or is this the ( click ) If we don't all agree we are get out casted ?
Or is this the way to out cast the members how use the words monster in there for sale threads .

Threads like this makes me want to put monster whatever on the next thing I put in the for sale section just so you hens have something to gossip about.

To be honest, I have owned and sold a few cues, and straight up there have been a few that frankly I was surprised in the way they played .

I sold one Goncalo alves cue that I considered a animal on a table, it played very nice .
And there is no reason a seller cannot relay the way a cue plays to a future buyer.
 
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