Moori's glazing over

StormHotRod300

StormHotRod300

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Ok, When I bought my Gilbert I had a moori med put on the cue, and had the tip shaped to a nickle. To my suprise the tip held chalk better than the other moori's i had used.

The previous ones seemed to glaze over very fast, so i was constantly scuffing the tip and using a tip pik.

Well last sunday, I scuffed up the tip with my George scuffer :( And instantly i noticed the tip wasnt holding chalk as well.

I even used the tip pik alot and that seemed to help, but after a few games and looking at the tip when chalking it, i could see it was glazing over.

I didnt have this problem, untill i scuffed up the tip. Is this common? is there some special way to get the tip to hold chalk better?

I love the way the moori's play, I just hate having to deal with a tip that glazes over so fast.
 
My moori played PERFECT too for a couple months or so, now it still plays great just glazes over a lot. Only moori i've ever had so i can't say if it's common or not, but you're not alone at least :)
 
I have the same problem with the Moori III's. Never used to have this problem with Moori's, but seems like all the new ones do it.

So I just switched to KAMUI tips. OMG, they are the NUTS.

-von
 
Vonrhett,

I'll hafta check those tips out.

A poolhall friend of mine came back from VF, with a Hercules med tip on his Espiritu shaft and I looked at the tip and it didnt have a problem holding chalk at all.

Also where can you buy a Kamui tip? I like a medium tip, so its not like I am limited to one brand of tip. I had a cue that had a Tiger Dynamite tip on it and that tip didnt glaze over at all.
 
I actually don't like the Moori IV's as much as the III's. They're softer or something. I've played with a Moori Medium for quite a while now but, since the IV's came out, the mediums are too soft. It's strange because, after a while, just one layer will begin to mushroom and, no matter how many times I cut it down and reshape it, that particular layer continues to mushroom until I finally change tips. I actually got pretty lucky just yesterday. I went to have a new Moori put on. I was going to try a Moori Hard this time because I was hoping to avoid the problem that I just described. As it turns out, the guy I went to still had some of the III's left (he also had some of the IV's), so I just asked him to put a III Medium on and now I have a tip that plays good again. I bought a couple extras from him just so I'd have a good tip the next couple times I need one. I'm not sure what is different about the IV's but, from what I have seen, they're not as good as the III's. Maybe they're going the way of the LePro.
 
Jimmy,

Well, I remember'd a website i had bookmarked and the guy had tips on keeping your moori in good condition and he said if the tip starts to not hold chalk, to wet the tip when your done playing, and let it dry for the nite. And that will help it hold chalk.

So, I used a some spit to wet the tip tonight and let it dry. So I'll find out tomorrow if it works. I also scuffed up the tip alot and really went to work with the tip pik on it too.

But I guess I shouldnt have scuffed up the tip in the first place lol. When did the moori IV's come out?
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Ok, When I bought my Gilbert I had a moori med put on the cue, and had the tip shaped to a nickle. To my suprise the tip held chalk better than the other moori's i had used.

The previous ones seemed to glaze over very fast, so i was constantly scuffing the tip and using a tip pik.

Well last sunday, I scuffed up the tip with my George scuffer :( And instantly i noticed the tip wasnt holding chalk as well.

I even used the tip pik alot and that seemed to help, but after a few games and looking at the tip when chalking it, i could see it was glazing over.

I didnt have this problem, untill i scuffed up the tip. Is this common? is there some special way to get the tip to hold chalk better?

I love the way the moori's play, I just hate having to deal with a tip that glazes over so fast.
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I've been playing with Mooris for years and am pretty disappointed with the one's I've gotten the last couple of years and will probably switch to something else.

This year at the DCC I had Guido put on three new Mooris. I asked him to take them down a bit, since I don't like a high tip. He kinda balked at first saying something like, "all the magic is in the top layers."

Well, he's right. IMO, the bottom layers -- maybe even the bottom half of the tip -- is different from the top half. The top half layers seem to play and hold chalk perfectly. But when you get to the second half, it's almost like there's too much glue, or whale blubber, or something, and they're totally different. They become hard, and glazed, and don't hold chalk, and sound funny.

This is the last batch of Mooris for moi.

Lou Figueroa
 
It is not that the tip glazes over. The more that you shoot with the tip the more you are pounding it down and the harder it is getting. The harder the tip, the less it will hold chalk. It would also have to make since that the layers toward the bottom of the tip are more dense than those at the top.
 
glazing over layered tip

most if not all layered tips will glaze over (or from what i have seen).its just the glue that the tip is put together with.i try to keep some rough grit sand paper and every so offen knock off the glazing.
 
I had trouble with the Moori III Med. I used to use glazing over and developing flat spots such that it was very hard to re-shape the tip back into a dime curve, so I swapped it out for a Talisman Pro Med. The Talisman holds its shape extremely well, never mushroomed, and doesn't glaze over. I use a dime shaper (ultimate tip tool) very lightly on it once every couple weeks (it doesn't need much because it doesn't really lose shape), and I scuff it very lightly, and it's perfect. It's lasting forever because I don't have to remove much material to keep it in shape. I'm definitely sticking with Talisman for my next tip.

-Andrew
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Vonrhett,
I like a medium tip, so its not like I am limited to one brand of tip. I had a cue that had a Tiger Dynamite tip on it and that tip didnt glaze over at all.
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My personal preference in a tip, if you are wanting one that plays like a medium and holds chalk VERY well, would hands-down be the Triangle. But, they are NOT a layered tip if that is what you prefer. They rate an 81.4 on the Muellers chart (as compared to 74.2 for Moori III med., 82.7 for the Moori III hard, and 77.2 for the Tiger Dynamite). I've got several cues with Triangles on them and when I go to purchase more tips for my "kit", I'm only going to buy Triangles. They really do play softer than their rating would suggest, hold chalk extremely well, and are very inexpensive. For what one costs, it wouldn't be no big deal to just cut it off if you didn't like it.
FWIW, I have done a bit of an experiment with my Players and Rage house cues (these cues have a similar hit, and are built with like materials with the same joint pins). I have installed these different tips on them just to see what I liked/disliked about each one: Triangle, Elkmaster, LePro, Everest, Sniper, and Moori III mediums. This is what I have found:

1. CHALK HOLDING ABILITY: Triangle, Elkmaster, Everest (in that order).
2. HIT RATING (from soft hit to hard): Elkmaster, Triangle and Everest tie for second, Moori III medium, Sniper, then LePro.
3. SHAPE HOLDING ABILITY: It's too early to tell as I've got so many cues and so little time, but my past experiences tell me the Elkmasters and the Everest tips mushroom fairly often.
4. PLAYABILITY (my personal preference): Triangle and Everest tied for first, Elkmaster, Moori III medium, Sniper, then LePro.

It's obvious by my choices that I prefer a soft hit. Each to his own. This isn't by any means a scientific study, but it served me well. Try a Triangle, and if you have used them in the past, go back and try one again. BTW, I always soak my non-laminated tips and press them in a vice before I install them. Good luck in your search!!!

Maniac
 
poolplayer2093 said:
That's about what you'd pay for a moori. doesn't sound unheard of
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Not even Moori's are that high. Installed, yes, but not a single tip. Eh, if someone is willing to pay $19 for a loose tip then that's cool. I still remember tips being $3 installed so, at only 35 years old, I guess I'm showing signs of aging.
 
Every soft and medium Morri that I've ever used has glazed over within a couple of week. I've never had it happen to a hard Morri tho. I use Snipers now and I'm very happy with them.
 
rocky said:
It is not that the tip glazes over. The more that you shoot with the tip the more you are pounding it down and the harder it is getting. The harder the tip, the less it will hold chalk. It would also have to make since that the layers toward the bottom of the tip are more dense than those at the top.
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ummmm, no.

Right from the first few shots the tips -- all of them -- had problems as described. No "pounding it down" from shooting or anything else was involved.

Lou Figueroa
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Ok, When I bought my Gilbert I had a moori med put on the cue, and had the tip shaped to a nickle. To my suprise the tip held chalk better than the other moori's i had used.

The previous ones seemed to glaze over very fast, so i was constantly scuffing the tip and using a tip pik.

Well last sunday, I scuffed up the tip with my George scuffer :( And instantly i noticed the tip wasnt holding chalk as well.

I even used the tip pik alot and that seemed to help, but after a few games and looking at the tip when chalking it, i could see it was glazing over.

I didnt have this problem, untill i scuffed up the tip. Is this common? is there some special way to get the tip to hold chalk better?

I love the way the moori's play, I just hate having to deal with a tip that glazes over so fast.
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I used to have to shape (not skuff) my Morri tips almost once a week, or every ten days. My Snipers hold up better, play very well, and cost half the price (not that I would comprimise my tip for cost anyways).
 
Jimmy M. said:
I actually don't like the Moori IV's as much as the III's. They're softer or something. I've played with a Moori Medium for quite a while now but, since the IV's came out, the mediums are too soft. It's strange because, after a while, just one layer will begin to mushroom and, no matter how many times I cut it down and reshape it, that particular layer continues to mushroom until I finally change tips. I actually got pretty lucky just yesterday. I went to have a new Moori put on. I was going to try a Moori Hard this time because I was hoping to avoid the problem that I just described. As it turns out, the guy I went to still had some of the III's left (he also had some of the IV's), so I just asked him to put a III Medium on and now I have a tip that plays good again. I bought a couple extras from him just so I'd have a good tip the next couple times I need one. I'm not sure what is different about the IV's but, from what I have seen, they're not as good as the III's. Maybe they're going the way of the LePro.
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Hey Jimmy,

Who do you go to for your tips here in the valley? I've gone to several people and sometimes do it myself. The guy I currently go to charges too much for my liking (Doc), but he's close. When I do it myself, it's always an exercise in futility as I almost always do something to my ferrule. Just curious. Sounds like you might have a good connection.

I also use Moori Mediums and have for about 2 years now. I have a IV and it also glazes which requires constant maintenance. I may switch to a hard or even try a Sniper, but I am still undecided. It takes me such a long time to ever change anything about my setup. Old dogs...
 
BigCat said:
Hey Jimmy,

Who do you go to for your tips here in the valley? I've gone to several people and sometimes do it myself. The guy I currently go to charges too much for my liking (Doc), but he's close. When I do it myself, it's always an exercise in futility as I almost always do something to my ferrule. Just curious. Sounds like you might have a good connection.

I also use Moori Mediums and have for about 2 years now. I have a IV and it also glazes which requires constant maintenance. I may switch to a hard or even try a Sniper, but I am still undecided. It takes me such a long time to ever change anything about my setup. Old dogs...
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I've never seen the "glaze" problem ... or I'm not sure what everyone is talking about but what irritates me about the Moori IV's is that one or two layers in the tip will just start mushrooming and, once it starts, that's it. The tip never stops mushrooming. This is the whole reason I started playing with Moori's to begin with because, with the III's and earlier, they never mushroomed.
 
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